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Nils Moström
Export an EDL with time effects.
on Oct 3, 2014 at 12:10:47 pm

Hi!

I´m trying to export a EDL from avid with time effects.

In fcp the time effects always is translated in to the EDLs. But when i'm exporting the EDL from avid it just says" *TIMEWARP EFFECT AT SEQUENCE TC 01:02:03:14 " . And the timecode does not change.

Is there a way to create time effects that the EDL can read?

/n


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Shane Ross
Re: Export an EDL with time effects.
on Oct 3, 2014 at 3:21:34 pm

Not really, no. Speed ramps don't carry over into EDLs...because those were designed for tape to tape systems, and tape to tape systems can't do speed ramps. The EDL format is extremely old (talking decades here) so it can't report a lot of what modern edit systems do. It's meant or straight cuts, or dissolves, normal speeds. Multiple layers even have to be exported as separate EDLs.

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Nils Moström
Re: Export an EDL with time effects.
on Oct 3, 2014 at 3:27:54 pm

In Final Cut I have always managed to send speed changes to a CMX 3600 EDL.

I guess I just have to put in the time effect in my VFX list.


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Michael Phillips
Re: Export an EDL with time effects.
on Oct 3, 2014 at 5:24:26 pm

Ramped motion effects and keyframes will not translate to an EDL, but a motion effect will. Here is an EDL from a basic slomo done to a source clip. The following is a CMX 3600 EDL:

TITLE: MOTION EFFECT
FCM: NON-DROP FRAME
001 MVI_2411 V C 00:00:30:00 00:00:31:02 01:00:00:00 01:00:02:01
M2 MVI_2411 012.0 00:00:30:00
* FROM CLIP NAME: 51G-1


As you can see, line 001 is the IN-OUT of the clip that was used (original length) and the record side is the duration that it must fill. In order to do so, an M2 command is listed that clip now plays at 12 (fps) starting at source timecode of 00:00:30:00.


Michael


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Nils Moström
Re: Export an EDL with time effects.
on Oct 3, 2014 at 5:40:32 pm

My EDL have the M2 command so it should work. So the error is at the post production house that is doing the online?


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Michael Phillips
Re: Export an EDL with time effects.
on Oct 3, 2014 at 5:45:35 pm

It may be, hard to tell. May depend on system being used. Can they not take an AAF and see if that offers a better conform? As Shane mentioned, while EDL's are still used, they really are last ditch effort compared to AAF or an XML as EDL's are very limited in what they can convey.

Michael


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Nils Moström
Re: Export an EDL with time effects.
on Oct 3, 2014 at 5:50:49 pm

Thanks for quick respons Micheal! I'll have a chat with the post house on monday. It is a couple of years sins I exported EDL.s from avid so I assumed the error was on my side.


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Michael Phillips
Re: Export an EDL with time effects.
on Oct 3, 2014 at 5:50:19 pm

And this EDL imported fine into Resolve 11, and correctly conformed with slomo effect applied.


Michael


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Shane Ross
Re: Export an EDL with time effects.
on Oct 3, 2014 at 6:03:04 pm

Yes...sorry...SPEED CHANGES will go, but TIME WARP effects won't. Sorry I wasn't clear. Michael always has my back.

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Michael Phillips
Re: Export an EDL with time effects.
on Oct 3, 2014 at 6:34:56 pm

And FWIW - a ramped motion effect still shows up in the EDL as a "block" meaning you have the IN-OUT of the source and the IN-OUT of the record side, and then an average playback as the M2, but of course none of the crazy stuff I did with the ramping as seen here:



The EDL looked like:

TITLE: RAMP
FCM: NON-DROP FRAME
001 MVI_2201 V C 00:00:51:01 00:01:51:22 00:00:00:00 00:02:17:09
M2 MVI_2201 010.6 00:00:51:01
* FROM CLIP NAME: 51B-1

But I will say that the AAF to Resolve conformed it perfectly. :)


Michael


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