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Ross Spears
MC 4 --- How to get it??????
on Jun 18, 2014 at 2:53:20 pm

Several years ago, as I was first starting a big project, I asked this CC forum about MC 4 versus MC 5. Larry, who has since passed away, answered my queries by saying "Why should you move to MC5 when MC 4 is the most stable media composer program that AVID has produced." So I stuck with MC4. So all 400 hours of footage are digitized in MC4 and I really don't dare upgrade to anything else.

But I really do need to get another copy of MC 4, or perhaps an extended license, so that I can hire another assistant editor. Does anyone out there have a copy for sale? I know that AVID no longer supports it, and I promise to buy MC8 in the near future for other projects, but right now, I need MC4 !!! I am willing to pay!

Let me hear from you please!!

Thanks, Ross

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Andrew Kimery
Re: MC 4 --- How to get it??????
on Jun 19, 2014 at 6:49:14 am

Why must you stick with MC 4? New versions of Avid should be able to open up your MC 4 projects no problem.


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Shane Ross
Re: MC 4 --- How to get it??????
on Jun 19, 2014 at 4:50:31 pm

Because he needs to get another system for an assistant, and they will need to work together. MC4 to later is easy...later version to MC4...not so much. Can't even open bins made in MC7, for example.

Scour eBay or the like...call Avid rental houses to see if they have old copies to sell. I'll have to see if I can find my copy and my dongle...I think I have one that might be MC4...not sure. I started that dongle on MC 3.5...but after a bit I went dongle-less.

Shane
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Andrew Kimery
Re: MC 4 --- How to get it??????
on Jun 19, 2014 at 5:47:05 pm

[Shane Ross] "Because he needs to get another system for an assistant, and they will need to work together. MC4 to later is easy...later version to MC4...not so much. Can't even open bins made in MC7, for example."

Why can't both machines be MC7 instead of both machines being MC4? Is it a budget thing (one old copy of Avid vs two new copies of Avid)?


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Shane Ross
Re: MC 4 --- How to get it??????
on Jun 19, 2014 at 6:27:19 pm

Well...the OP said that he was very partial to MC4...

Shane
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Ross Spears
Re: MC 4 --- How to get it??????
on Jun 20, 2014 at 8:14:25 pm

Hey Shane,

Sorry to be so long in reply -- other issues kept me from the computer. Thanks a lot for your helpful reply. I will try all those avenues, because I really need to keep using MC 4.

The problem is that everything has been digitized using MC 4.0.5. That includes several hundreds of hours of footage over 4 years. And a lot has been edited too -- numerous sequences are done.

When I started to purchase a new AVID system, the dealer told me that all of the "experts" he was consulting told him it would be very risky to start using MC8 at this point. I am only one year from completion of this project, and so I don't dare do anything stupid. However, needing an assistant is important too and so I need a compatible system! MC 4.0.5, if possible. Please check your back systems!

Thanks, Ross

Never Give Up


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Andrew Kimery
Re: MC 4 --- How to get it??????
on Jun 20, 2014 at 9:51:50 pm

Hey Ross,

Not to belabor the point, but Avid is typically known for older projects opening up just fine in newer versions. Do you have a machine you could download the MC8 demo on and do a test with the MC4 media and projects? I've worked on a couple of shows running Media Composer 7 and they opened up bins and accessed footage from 2009/2010 (so probably created with MC4, but I couldn't say for sure).

I certainly understand not wanting to rock the NLE boat, but testing out the free trial version of MC 8 might get you and your AE up and running faster than trying to track down a license of MC4.


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Ross Spears
Re: MC 4 --- How to get it??????
on Jun 23, 2014 at 3:40:25 am

Thanks for your suggestion, but would you risk losing four years of work so as to save a little time? I think the better choice will be to finish this project with the MC4. This project is a labor of love and I don't want to muck it up. .

How would you go about finding such a critter? I will gladly pay the going price!

Thanks Ross Spears

Never Give Up


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Andrew Kimery
Re: MC 4 --- How to get it??????
on Jun 23, 2014 at 9:45:19 pm

[Ross Spears] "Thanks for your suggestion, but would you risk losing four years of work so as to save a little time?"

How is installing a free trial of MC8 on another machine/separate drive to run a test a risk? If you want to be super careful you can Consolidate some media onto the separate drive as well and that way nothing ever coms in contact with your original media.

If it works then you can buy MC8 and get started on the work that needs to be done. If it doesn't work then you keep looking for a copy of MC4. Win/win.

I worked on a doc once that started out in FCP 5.0, then went to FCP 5.1, then to FCP 6 and finally finished in FCP 7. It was certainly worth testing and upgrading as FCP 7 had many feature improvements over FCP 5.


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Ross Spears
Re: MC 4 --- How to get it??????
on Jun 24, 2014 at 10:11:23 am

Thanks for your suggestion; I may try it. But here is what I hear from my local AVID dealer and their staff of experts: (Baltimore/DC area):

"There’s also no clear cut path move Media composer 4 projects to Media Composer 8. It’s four very significant generations of the product.
Media composer 4 was a still a 32-bit application for example. "There is no upgrade path from 4 to 8 he could go to version 6.0 the reason for that is that 6.0 is the last version to support 32bit OS’s after that it’s 64bit OS only. That would make it impossible to go to version 8 from version 4. Even getting to version 6.0 will be difficult. It’s hard to come across these days."

That seems pretty definitive to me. What do you think? Do you think there is a path?

Thanks. By the way, Shane, if you're still reading this, did you find any MC4 systems among your files?

Thanks! Ross

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James Beattie
Re: MC 4 --- How to get it??????
on Jun 25, 2014 at 12:12:18 am

The good news? Theoretically, if you have a Dongle of Media Composer that is higher than 4, then it should run 4 just fine. As long as you are licensed higher than you need.
then you would install MC 4.

I would put money on the fact that your MC 4 sequence would work just fine in version 8. Unless you have complex effects, like color correction or other 3rd party plugins.

But if you are stuck on MC4, then a newer dongle than 4 should give you what you need.

James Beattie
ACSR Elite/Avid ACI, Apple Certified Technician

Consulting for Workflow and Digital Technologies at Comprehensive Technical Group


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Andrew Kimery
Re: MC 4 --- How to get it??????
on Jun 25, 2014 at 4:12:20 am

Ross,

As a quick test I loaded up some tutorial projects that came with my copy of Avid MC 5.5 in Avid MC 8 and all the media and sequences showed up fine. These are tutorials so the sequences are long, but 'standard' avid effects like color correction, time warp, picture in picture, etc.,. all displayed properly.

I would still load up everything on a new drive (or at least partition) that's separate from your existing drive/partition but it should work. I think the concern from the reseller that you talked to was over blown. With that being said, you'd still need to go to Avid's website and make sure your computer meets the specs to run MC8.


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Ross Spears
Re: MC 4 --- How to get it??????
on Aug 23, 2014 at 4:19:48 am

Thanks. I think part of the problem is the fact that my older MacPro will not run MC 8. It requires a much newer Mac than the one I have.

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