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Steve Rogalinski
Adding 3d Warp without affecting the background
on Jan 1, 2012 at 11:13:22 pm

I am an Avid editor from many moons ago and have recently come back to Avid again. I am trying to apply an effect on V2, say an Animatte soft paintbrush effect so that the image on V1 appears outside the wipe. Then I want to apply a 3D warp effect to V2 to move it off the screen but when I do it, a duplicate of V1 moves with it. I am sure that I used to do something like this before, but I cannot figure out how to do it now. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Steve

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Terence Curren
Re: Adding 3d Warp without affecting the background
on Jan 3, 2012 at 4:01:46 pm

Avid deals with the effects structure different than other systems. It is always looking from the top of the timeline down. So any single input effect you apply to V3 will affect V2 and 1. Color correction is a good example.

If you apply a multi input effect, like a key, then it doesn't affect the lower tracks, just the track you have assigned it to. You can tell this by "stepping" inside the effect. A single input effect only has a V1 inside it. This means the effect only applies to what is on the V1 track inside it. Multi input effects have multiple layers of video inside.

You can nest Video tracks inside of a track, and then you can effect these tracks independently of the lower tracks on the main timeline. SO for your example, you would place the animatte effect (multi input) on V2 for example. Now step inside and you will have a blank V1 (which allows the video from lower down your timeline to flow through, and a V2 with the video you are keying. If you apply an effect to that V2 video that is nested, it will be affected, but the video flowing through on the blank V1 will not.

So you would place your 3D warp inside the animatte effect and you can adjust it all day without affecting the lower tracks. If you want to see how your adjustments on a nested effect affects the entire composite, then you can double-click on the effect while in effects mode and it will open the nested tracks in the main timeline and you can then select the nested effect and adjust it.



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Steve Rogalinski
Re: Adding 3d Warp without affecting the background
on Jan 4, 2012 at 6:02:08 am

Thanks so much for responding Terence. Your idea helps a lot and I am sure I'll make use of it in the near future, but it doesn't quite do what I'm for.

I want to take the image in the animatte and move it-say-off screen. Problem doing it this way is that the key hole doesn't move with the image in it.

Steve Rogalinski


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Terence Curren
Re: Adding 3d Warp without affecting the background
on Jan 4, 2012 at 7:32:43 am

PS: Here is a tutorial on nesting effects. Take the few minutes to watch as a picture is worth a thousand words.

http://avidscreencast.com/2010/09/39-nesting-effects/

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Terence Curren
Re: Adding 3d Warp without affecting the background
on Jan 4, 2012 at 7:30:23 am

I understand, that's because Avid doesn't have a proper way of doing that natively. You can do it with 3D warp, but you can't cut a custom matte. This is a long standing problem.

If you have Boris Continuum Complete, which came free with MC up to V5.5, then you can do something close with the custom masking.

As for doing it in Avid natively, if the matte doesn't need to animate, you can create on in Photoshop, then import it as a RT matte key and then cut in your video fill inside the matte key on V2.

Bottom line is there are ways to skin the cat in Avid, but they aren't as intuitive as in some other programs. Avid makes a great editor, not so great in the compositing department.

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Viliam Vala
Re: Adding 3d Warp without affecting the background
on Sep 21, 2013 at 8:52:35 am

Hello Terence,

somehow whatever I do, I'm not able to animate an animatte mask with the 3D warp tool, no matter how hard I try. It drives me crazy, as often there is s need for an off-line simulation and it is near to impossible to do it in a fast and easy way :)

Thank you Viliam

P.S. I understand nesting and I've been using it for years with no problems, just this AniMatte and 3D warp combination doesn't really work for me.


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Terence Curren
Re: Adding 3d Warp without affecting the background
on Sep 21, 2013 at 2:42:00 pm

V1 - background video.

V2 - fill video

V3 - Matte with matte key effect. Step inside the matte key effect on V3 and apply 3D warp the matte key. Make your moves. Save the 3D effect and drop it in V2 video so the matte moves match the fill moves.

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Viliam Vala
Re: Adding 3d Warp without affecting the background
on Sep 21, 2013 at 8:34:17 pm

OK, thank you Terence, now, I do not use any matte, so I'm applying the key to the picture, for example. I create a mask and I want to animate the mask. I can not create a mask with animatte on an empty layer. I thimk I'm not getting it, am I? :)
Thank you for your patience
Viliam


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Terence Curren
Re: Adding 3d Warp without affecting the background
on Sep 21, 2013 at 10:21:33 pm

That's different. I was originally following up on my earlier post where I said you could do that with an imported matte.

There is no way to do that with animatte direclty. You could make your animate shape, Then create a matte channel from it by cutting in a black title and a white title below, this would give you a matte. Do a video mixdown of that, and use it as a matte channel as I illustrated above.

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Viliam Vala
Re: Adding 3d Warp without affecting the background
on Sep 22, 2013 at 6:22:00 am

I see, that's way I couldn't get it. Hmmm, get a bit complicated for a quick simulation :( Thank you soo much Terence :)
Have a nice day
Viliam


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