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Ben Cheng
Stable Configuration of Mac Pro, FCP, QuickTime, Kona, Celerity?
on Nov 7, 2006 at 5:56:47 pm


Hi All,

I understand from the threads below, there have some issues with running more than 2GB RAM & QuickTime 7.1.3.
Hope the users here can advice me on setting a stable configuration, with the following:

- Mac OS X version?

- QuickTime version?

- ATTO FC42ES 2.4.1

- FCP 5.1.2

- Kona LS 3.2.0

Apart from the RAM riser position & the allocation of PCI slots, is there anything I should look out for?
Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks again!

Cheers,
Ben Cheng
The Media Village
Singapore



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Bob Zelin
Re: Stable Configuration of Mac Pro, FCP, QuickTime, Kona, Celerity?
on Nov 8, 2006 at 12:40:32 am

oh, go plug all this stuff in. It will be outdated in 9 months anyway, so what do you have to lose ? (It all works fine). Run latest version of everything.

Bob Zelin


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Wayne Carey
Re: Stable Configuration of Mac Pro, FCP, QuickTime, Kona, Celerity?
on Nov 8, 2006 at 10:31:10 pm

Well, I'm having some serious issues between the AJA Kona 3 and the ATTO Celerity FC-41ES. I'm getting dropped frames, loss of sync, pops and skips. And sometimes on the occassion, I lose my Kona card on startup. Then I have to remove the ATTO card, zap the PRAM and start the system. Then after all of this I can replace the ATTO card and everything runs fine.

I'v been in contact with ATTO and AJA about this and both are stumped.

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gary adcock
Re: Stable Configuration of Mac Pro, FCP, QuickTime, Kona, Celerity?
on Nov 8, 2006 at 11:09:57 pm

OK now its my turn to ask the obvious questions

computer firmware updated, current kona drivers, 2gigs of RAM (or less)
run the expansion slot utility, no 3rd party codecs??

Checked the fibre cables?

gary adcock
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Wayne Carey
Re: Stable Configuration of Mac Pro, FCP, QuickTime, Kona, Celerity?
on Nov 9, 2006 at 5:03:00 pm

[gary adcock] "OK now its my turn to ask the obvious questions

computer firmware updated, current kona drivers, 2gigs of RAM (or less)
run the expansion slot utility, no 3rd party codecs??

Checked the fibre cables? "


Let's se... Firmware is updated. Kona 3.2 drivers installed (also occured with Kona 3.1 drivers). Using 2 gig of RAM with 5 more sitting on a shelf (tested thoroughly with Apple Hardware Test). Ran the Expansion Slot Utility and selected default as per AJA and ATTO's instructions (Selection 2). No 3rd party codecs, other than the Flip4Mac WMV Studio Pro software. Fibre cables are new and check out great.

Yeah.... I've gotten every stumped on this one. I even got permission to use the ATTO beta driver, which didn't even work in my machine so we had to uninstall and reinstall the 2.41 driver for the Celerity FC-41ES.

Gary, what fibre cards are you using? Do you have a new Mac Pro Dual 3.0? How about the graphics card? ATI X1900?

I'm trying everything.... I'm getting desperate to find a solution to this.



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gary adcock
Re: Stable Configuration of Mac Pro, FCP, QuickTime, Kona, Celerity?
on Nov 9, 2006 at 5:47:02 pm

[Wayne Carey] "Gary, what fibre cards are you using? Do you have a new Mac Pro Dual 3.0? How about the graphics card? ATI X1900?"

Atto FC42ES, MacPro 3Ghz, 6 gigs RAM, but I am running the Nvidia Quartro card

gary adcock
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Wayne Carey
Re: Stable Configuration of Mac Pro, FCP, QuickTime, Kona, Celerity?
on Nov 9, 2006 at 5:54:43 pm

[gary adcock] "Atto FC42ES, MacPro 3Ghz, 6 gigs RAM, but I am running the Nvidia Quartro card"

And you have a Kona 3 in Slot 3, right?

Hmmmm...... This is interesting. I'm starting to wonder if it has something to do with the graphics card - the ATI X1900


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walter biscardi
Re: Stable Configuration of Mac Pro, FCP, QuickTime, Kona, Celerity?
on Nov 9, 2006 at 6:20:18 pm

[Wayne Carey] "Hmmmm...... This is interesting. I'm starting to wonder if it has something to do with the graphics card - the ATI X1900"

Wayne, we ran the ATTO 42ES with no problems for the three weeks we had the Fibre Channel hooked up to our Mac Pro and it's running the ATI 1900 card. We'll be getting a new Fibre Channel unit either later this month or next, but I don't think it's the ATI 1900.

I'm sure you have, but did you set up the PCI Expansion Slot application correctly to ensure the best performance for the ATTO card?

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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Wayne Carey
Re: Stable Configuration of Mac Pro, FCP, QuickTime, Kona, Celerity?
on Nov 9, 2006 at 6:37:24 pm

[walter biscardi] "I'm sure you have, but did you set up the PCI Expansion Slot application correctly to ensure the best performance for the ATTO card?"

What setup do you suggest, Walter?

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walter biscardi
Re: Stable Configuration of Mac Pro, FCP, QuickTime, Kona, Celerity?
on Nov 9, 2006 at 6:41:02 pm

[Wayne Carey] "What setup do you suggest, Walter?"

The one that's recommended by AJA in the Read Me file that comes with the Kona 3 drivers.

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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Wayne Carey
Re: Stable Configuration of Mac Pro, FCP, QuickTime, Kona, Celerity?
on Nov 9, 2006 at 6:47:02 pm

[walter biscardi] "The one that's recommended by AJA in the Read Me file that comes with the Kona 3 drivers."

That's what I am using. But let me ask you this... Does the Expansion Slot Utility tell you that your ATTO card is running below maximum speed?


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walter biscardi
Re: Stable Configuration of Mac Pro, FCP, QuickTime, Kona, Celerity?
on Nov 9, 2006 at 8:10:39 pm

[Wayne Carey] "That's what I am using. But let me ask you this... Does the Expansion Slot Utility tell you that your ATTO card is running below maximum speed?"

i don't have it anymore. Fibre array failed after three weeks and we returned it. that's why I'm meeting with my VAR tomorrow to talk about another unit.

But yes, I'm pretty sure it said it was running below maximum speed because the most speed is given to the graphics card.

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
http://www.biscardicreative.com
HD Editorial & Animation for Food Network's "Good Eats"
HD Editorial for "Assignment Earth"

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Wayne Carey
Re: Stable Configuration of Mac Pro, FCP, QuickTime, Kona, Celerity?
on Nov 9, 2006 at 8:17:16 pm

[walter biscardi] "But yes, I'm pretty sure it said it was running below maximum speed because the most speed is given to the graphics card."

Thanks, Walter. I'd be interested in seeing how your system runs after you get your new FC array.

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gary adcock
Re: Stable Configuration of Mac Pro, FCP, QuickTime, Kona, Celerity?
on Nov 9, 2006 at 6:35:41 pm

[Wayne Carey] "And you have a Kona 3 in Slot 3, right?"

yup...


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Wayne Carey
Re: Stable Configuration of Mac Pro, FCP, QuickTime, Kona, Celerity?
on Nov 9, 2006 at 6:41:35 pm

What slots are your other cards located?

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Vahe Douglas
Re: Stable Configuration of Mac Pro, FCP, QuickTime, Kona, Celerity?
on Nov 16, 2006 at 4:47:18 pm

I'm having similar issues on dropped frames on playback with 720p 59.94 10-bit footage, it captured fine. Dumped it to a 1080i 10-bit 23.98 rendered out, works great! But can't figure out why the 59.94 isnt holding up.

I didnt know having the cards in different slots made that big of a difference, I knew the top slot ( my G5 Deul 2.5 PCI-X) was faster. I have a Kona Lh, with the ATTO to GSpeed and a 9800 Raedeon on the bottom, would the slot line up make a difference on this case?




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Ben Cheng
Re: Stable Configuration of Mac Pro, FCP, QuickTime, Kona, Celerity?
on Nov 16, 2006 at 6:28:24 pm


Hi All,

Thanks for all your attention & time!
I have installed 2 x Mac Pro, running the following config:

System 1
- Quad Xeon 3.0Ghz
- 2GB RAM (4 x 512MB, 2 in each riser)
- ATTO Celerity FC41ES - Slot 4
- AJA Kona LSe - Slot 3
- Slot Configuration Utility - Config 2

System 2
- Quad Xeon 3.0Ghz
- 2GB RAM (4 x 512MB, 2 in each riser)
- ATTO Celerity FC41ES - Slot 4
- AJA Kona LSe - Slot 3
- ATTO UL5D - Slot 2
- Slot Configuration Utility - Config 4

Mac Pro EFI Firmware Update 1.1
Mac OS X 10.4.8
QuickTime 7.1.3
ATTO Celerity driver 2.4.1
ATTO U320 driver 4.0.0
FCP 5.1.2
AJA Kona LS driver 3.3

The 2 systems are connected to a Facilis TerraBlock & they are running fine so far.
The 2 systems has 2 computer displays each, 1 x 23" Cinema Display + 1 x 17" Studio Display.

I'm curious if anyone has connect 3 PCIe cards to a Mac Pro, e.g Celerity + Kona + UL5D & what is the slot configuration we should use?

Cheers,
Ben Cheng
The Media Village
Singapore


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Wayne Carey
Re: Stable Configuration of Mac Pro, FCP, QuickTime, Kona, Celerity?
on Nov 16, 2006 at 6:47:27 pm

Nice!

What video cards do you get with each system?

I have the same as your system #1 with the exception of having an AJA Kona 3 card installed.

One word of caution... Make sure that your TerraBlock has the latest update (version 2.05) applied to it. It seems there was a problem with the 2.04 version and its DynaRAID software. I'm having to recapture footage since that because clips were way out of sync and timecodes got fouled up. Since the update, everything is fine.

As for your ATTO SCSI card... That is the only location to put it BUT I'm very sure that you are going to have some speed issues since that slot is only a one lane slot. That means if you plan to use this as data storage, fine... but if you want to edit from it, it will be problematic, at best.

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Ben Cheng
Re: Stable Configuration of Mac Pro, FCP, QuickTime, Kona, Celerity?
on Nov 17, 2006 at 8:50:20 am


Hi Wayne,

Kona LSe in both Mac Pro.

I'm using Slot Configuration 4 for the system with UL5D.

Configuration 4 setups the PCI Express slots as follows:

Slot 4 - 4x - ATTO Celerity FC41ES
Slot 3 - 4x - AJA Kona LSe
Slot 2 - 8x - ATTO UL5D
Slot 1 - 8x - Nvidia GeForce 7300 GT 256MB

Cheers,
Ben Cheng
The Media Village


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Wayne Carey
Re: Stable Configuration of Mac Pro, FCP, QuickTime, Kona, Celerity?
on Nov 17, 2006 at 3:06:27 pm

Now... That may work fine....

I was just concerned that you may have had a graphics card like the high end Nvidia or the ATI X1900. With those you need a 16 lane slot.

Can I ask a question? Why are you looking at the Kona LSe? Budget constraints?

The reason I mention this... How about considering the LHe? That will give you the same inputs but with HD input for later. Personally, I think you would be much better off looking at the LHe series for your needs. The world is changing to HD in a real hurry and those that aren't capable now are going to be left behind. It's something to really consider.

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Schazam Productions
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Ben Cheng
Re: Stable Configuration of Mac Pro, FCP, QuickTime, Kona, Celerity?
on Nov 20, 2006 at 5:22:54 pm


Hi Wayne,

1. The graphic card in it is the standard model, not the CTO one.

2. Kona LSe was chosen as there is no HD requirement either now or future.

Cheers,
Ben


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