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peter tours
Premiere & Final Cut Use Same Card?
on Oct 13, 2011 at 3:25:04 pm

Can my Kona Lhi card that I use with FCP7 also be used with PP5 on the same Mac? Can the drivers co-exist?

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walter biscardi
Re: Premiere & Final Cut Use Same Card?
on Oct 13, 2011 at 3:28:27 pm

Yep, the Driver for the card itself is the same.

You just need to install the CS 5.5 plug-ins so Premiere Pro can use the card. Be aware that as of right now there is sluggish performance from Premiere Pro / AJA Kona and the workaround to improve performance is to set the Preferences > Player to Adobe.

Also you need to set the Preferences > Audio Hardware to anything BUT the AJA Kona.

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peter tours
Re: Premiere & Final Cut Use Same Card?
on Oct 13, 2011 at 3:30:10 pm

Same for PP CS5 (not 5.5)?

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walter biscardi
Re: Premiere & Final Cut Use Same Card?
on Oct 13, 2011 at 3:33:04 pm

I believe you have to step up to 5.5 for the latest plug-ins, but you can look at the Kona LHi Support page to find out for sure. I believe there is a plug-in for CS5, but 5.5 is definitely very stable.

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peter tours
Re: Premiere & Final Cut Use Same Card?
on Oct 19, 2011 at 1:20:49 am

Just heard from AJA and current software has a known issue that does not allow component analog output. I have composite (only as a "video presence detector") and HDMI. I don't have an SDI monitor so don't know if that works. AJA says component analog will be in next version.

Both FCP7 and PP5 work OK on same card, just need to save preset for each for quick setup.

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David Scott
Re: Premiere & Final Cut Use Same Card?
on Oct 20, 2011 at 11:34:32 am

Interesting....
I'm running FCS2 and CS5 together... and I'd already installed the recomended codec and switched the Premiere preferences, but don't get an SDI output from the Kona card...?

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walter biscardi
Re: Premiere & Final Cut Use Same Card?
on Oct 20, 2011 at 11:37:32 am

[David Scott] "I'm running FCS2 and CS5 together... and I'd already installed the recomended codec and switched the Premiere preferences, but don't get an SDI output from the Kona card...?"

The latest plug-in from AJA is for CS 5.5 I believe.

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David Scott
Re: Premiere & Final Cut Use Same Card?
on Oct 20, 2011 at 12:37:16 pm

Thanks for the reply Walter.
Yes the lastest Kona driver is for CS5.5 but I installed the one for CS5 - version: "AJA Mac Plug-ins for Adobe CS5 Version 8.5"
As the driver and CS version were the same I was suprised not to get a picture on the external display.....?!
Wondered if anyone had that combination working?

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peter tours
Re: Premiere & Final Cut Use Same Card?
on Oct 20, 2011 at 12:42:20 pm

For what it's worth, with the same driver I get composite and HDMI.

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David Scott
Re: Premiere & Final Cut Use Same Card?
on Oct 20, 2011 at 12:48:11 pm

Hi Peter
I've got the Kona LHe which has SDI and component out, but no composite or HDMI....
but appreciate you letting me know...
:)

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Chris Holland
Re: Premiere & Final Cut Use Same Card?
on Oct 20, 2011 at 12:58:43 pm

I think that issue where component doesn't work is only if you have Lion installed.

We are running FCP 7 & CS 5.5. We run component out to a BETA deck and then to an SD monitor and we run HDMI to a TV and ti works fine on the system running Snow Leopard 10.6.8 but the compenent doesn't work on the 2 systems with Lion.

We have 4 systems and of the 2 that run Snow Leopard only the one has the lag issue in Premiere and for me switching to the Adobe Player doesn't fix it. I am talking about Lag in the timeline not when playing clips so maybe it's a different thing Walter is talking about.

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David Scott
Re: Premiere & Final Cut Use Same Card?
on Oct 20, 2011 at 1:04:42 pm

Hi Chris
Yeah I'm still on Snow Leopard. 8 core mac with 8GB ram, and ATI Radeon 5770. All fairly standard. Also outputing to Beta.

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Chris Holland
Re: Premiere & Final Cut Use Same Card?
on Oct 25, 2011 at 2:22:20 pm

I just recently noticed something in our setup and wondered if this a known issue with CS 5.5. When viewing out the footage goes blurry and it seems worse on our HDMI sets. The SD monitor isn't as bad but that might be because it's only a 13" monitor. Wondered if anyone else saw this ?

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walter biscardi
Re: Premiere & Final Cut Use Same Card?
on Oct 25, 2011 at 2:44:14 pm

Do you have Premiere set to play out at full quality? I believe 1/2 resolution is default and note that both the Source and Program Monitors are set up independently.

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Chris Holland
Re: Premiere & Final Cut Use Same Card?
on Oct 25, 2011 at 3:54:07 pm

Thanks Walter. That was it. It's strange because I always keep that at Full Res and I'm not sure why it was set at 1/2. We've been having multiple issues and I didn't even think about checking that.

Just another reminder to always check the simple stuff first.

On another topic I had a quick question for you or anyone else. Since switching to CS5.5 whenever we open a previous project from CS5 I get the popup : "The oreset used by one or more sequences requires 3rd Party components that could not be located...." I have the same card i had before just with the updated firmware and drivers. Is this a known thing that is happening or is something weird going on.

I have to make new timelines everytime I open an older project and copy everything into a new timeline. Not a big hassle but i've never run into this before when upgrading using other I/O cards unless I got a totally new device.

Thanks.

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walter biscardi
Re: Premiere & Final Cut Use Same Card?
on Oct 25, 2011 at 4:00:21 pm

As I'm new to Premiere Pro I have no experience prior to CS 5.5 and Kona. All I can say is that the CS 5.5 is the first Kona driver to work with the Mercury Engine so there's probably a lot new under the hood that makes that popup come up.

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