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Cameron Campbell
Stable Software for Kona 3/Final Cut Studio 2
on May 5, 2008 at 12:23:21 am

Hey everyone:

Does anyone have a good, stable combination of software for operating Final Cut Studio 2 with a Kona 3 card?

I am using a dual-quad Intel G5.

I would love to know the:
•OS Version
•Final Cut Studio 2 Version
•QuickTime Version
•Kona 3 updates/firmware
•Any other updates I should be aware of

I have resisted upgrading but might be forced to dive into uncertainty with a new upcoming job.

Thanks all for your time.

Regards,

CAMERON CAMPBELL
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walter biscardi
Re: Stable Software for Kona 3/Final Cut Studio 2
on May 5, 2008 at 12:43:02 am

[Cameron Campbell] "•OS Version
•Final Cut Studio 2 Version
•QuickTime Version
•Kona 3 updates/firmware
•Any other updates I should be aware of"


OS 10.4.11 with QT 7.3 and any version of Studio 2

OS 10.5.2 with QT 7.4.1 and the latest Studio 2 / Quicktime updates

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Warren Eig
Re: Stable Software for Kona 3/Final Cut Studio 2
on May 5, 2008 at 7:19:54 am

OS 10.5.2 and QT 7.4.5 here.

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gary adcock
Re: Stable Software for Kona 3/Final Cut Studio 2
on May 5, 2008 at 11:29:05 am

[Warren Eig] "OS 10.5.2 and QT 7.4.5 here. "

Same here

Kona 5.1 NDD driver, I use this version w/o the Mac desktop function , the current computers really do not like this functionality with certain Nvida graphics card.

But these setting and choices also depend on what you are doing, Newer cameras need the latest versions of the OS or Applications.




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Mitch Ives
Re: Stable Software for Kona 3/Final Cut Studio 2
on May 5, 2008 at 4:55:13 pm

So much of this depends on the machine. You're using a G5 which will make things fairly easy, as many posters have already said.

If you have a new 2008 Eight-core machine and a Kona, things are a lot less smooth. These new 8-core machines are in a whole category by themselves. I would not recommend FCP 6.0.3 or QT 7.4.5 on these new machines. Anything made in Livetype (or made on another Mac) renders solid black... it all worked fine until those updates. That combo works fine on every machine we have except the 2008 8-core with the K3. In addition, the RAM configs are as serious as a heart attack on these new 8-cores. Matched ram modules of a single size are almost an unwritten requirement if you want FCP and 3rd party plugins to work...

Perhaps the new Kona drivers will help with some of this... we certainly hope so, since Apple is too focused on the iToy line to fix the FCP side anytime soon...

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
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Fred Connors Jr
Re: Stable Software for Kona 3/Final Cut Studio 2
on May 6, 2008 at 12:30:05 pm

I must disagree with Mitch.

We have five Early 2008 8 core machines (2.8 and 3.2 Ghz) running with all OS & QT updates installed and the NDD drivers from AJA, we have seen none of the issues he has. Very stable.

Fred

The Troupe - Modern Media Design & Production


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gary adcock
Re: Stable Software for Kona 3/Final Cut Studio 2
on May 6, 2008 at 1:23:05 pm

[Fred Connors Jr] "We have five Early 2008 8 core machines (2.8 and 3.2 Ghz) running with all OS & QT updates installed and the NDD drivers from AJA, "

yes
some dealers know how to work around the issues when they config your machine, and if you config yourself you have no idea what to look for,

Usually on the newest macs it is a RAM issue like 90% of the time, if you are just buying boxes from cheapest_I_can_find.com you are not getting the benefit of having a knowledgeable tech set up your machine, so you have to find out these issues yourself.

Pull all of the RAM and RE-Seat It in a different order - even if there are only 2 sticks of it.

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Mitch Ives
Re: Stable Software for Kona 3/Final Cut Studio 2
on May 6, 2008 at 4:29:38 pm

[Fred Connors Jr] "We have five Early 2008 8 core machines (2.8 and 3.2 Ghz) running with all OS & QT updates installed and the NDD drivers from AJA, we have seen none of the issues he has. Very stable. "

So I understand, you have K3's in these machines, you have 10.5.2, FCP 6.03 & QT 7.4.5 and when you make things in Livetype, they render out and display properly? If so, then you are unique.

Are you using third party plugins like Primatte? Have you rendered very long sequences, like 30 minutes worth where the whole timeline needs rendering? This would be good to know...

[gary adcock] "some dealers know how to work around the issues when they config your machine, and if you config yourself you have no idea what to look for,

Usually on the newest macs it is a RAM issue like 90% of the time, if you are just buying boxes from cheapest_I_can_find.com you are not getting the benefit of having a knowledgeable tech set up your machine, so you have to find out these issues yourself.

Pull all of the RAM and RE-Seat It in a different order - even if there are only 2 sticks of it."


You're making some assumptions here Gary, and right now there are several people who know both of us and our skill levels and are groaning when reading your post...



Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
mitch@insightproductions.com


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Fred Connors Jr
Re: Stable Software for Kona 3/Final Cut Studio 2
on May 6, 2008 at 4:48:18 pm

-So I understand, you have K3's in these machines,

Yes

- you have -10.5.2, FCP 6.03 & QT 7.4.5 and when you make things in -Livetype, they render out and display properly?

Yes

- If so, then you -are unique.

Thanks, my mother always said I was unique.


-Are you using third party plugins like Primatte? Have you -rendered very long sequences, like 30 minutes worth where the -whole timeline needs rendering? This would be good to know...

Not Primatte... but yes we have rendered very long sequences, usually not one effect on the entire sequence but LiveType segments and other effects that require the whole thing to be rendered.

Fred

The Troupe - Modern Media Design & Production


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Mitch Ives
Re: Stable Software for Kona 3/Final Cut Studio 2
on May 7, 2008 at 3:24:02 pm

Fred, what video cards are in your machines?

Mitch Ives
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Fred Connors Jr
Re: Stable Software for Kona 3/Final Cut Studio 2
on May 7, 2008 at 3:32:10 pm

Hi Mitch

We have the following:
Kona-3 in slot 4
ATTO ESAS-R308 Raid Controller in slot 3
Open slot 2
Nvidia 8800GT in slot 1


Fred

The Troupe - Modern Media Design & Production


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Mitch Ives
Re: Stable Software for Kona 3/Final Cut Studio 2
on May 7, 2008 at 4:42:29 pm

[Fred Connors Jr] "We have the following:
Kona-3 in slot 4
ATTO ESAS-R308 Raid Controller in slot 3
Open slot 2
Nvidia 8800GT in slot 1 "


Interesting... we have:

Apple RAID card in slot 4
K3 in Slot 3
open slot 2
Nvidia 8800GT in slot 1

Which Kona drivers are you running? I've tried 5.1 and 5.1NDD.

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
mitch@insightproductions.com


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Fred Connors Jr
Re: Stable Software for Kona 3/Final Cut Studio 2
on May 7, 2008 at 5:20:07 pm

Mitch

We are running the NDD drivers.

We had to move the ATTO Card out of slot 4 because it was not working properly in the 16x slot (an ATTO driver/firmware issue). The KONA is a 4x card an it appears to work in any slot. Since slot 2 and 3 are fixed at 4x, but share the cam bus, we moved to KONA to slot 4. So nothing is shared on the slot 2-3 bus.

Fred

The Troupe - Modern Media Design & Production


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Mitch Ives
Re: Stable Software for Kona 3/Final Cut Studio 2
on May 9, 2008 at 3:13:49 pm

The Apple RAID card requires slot 4, as it connects to the MB using a short cable. AJA confirmed that slot 3 was fine, in fact they recommended it...

Strange world...

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
mitch@insightproductions.com


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Shane Ross
Re: Stable Software for Kona 3/Final Cut Studio 2
on May 6, 2008 at 9:25:11 pm

I have to disagree with Mitch too. I have one of the new Jan 2008 OctoCore 3.0Ghz MacPros...running 10.5.2 and QT 7.4.1 (not going to 7.4.5 yet) and things are running smooth. Kona 5.1 drivers, FCP 6.0.2...NOT 6.0.3.

But I also don't use Livetype, so...



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Mitch Ives
Re: Stable Software for Kona 3/Final Cut Studio 2
on May 7, 2008 at 3:23:24 pm

Shane, it's FCP 6.0.3 and QT 7.4.5 that introduced the Livetype problem, so it makes sense that you don't see the problem.

OTOH, 6.0.3/7.4.5 brought more stability to third party plugins and fixed most of the Primatte issues, so it's a catch 22...

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.
mitch@insightproductions.com


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