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Rich Rubasch
P2 Clips out to tape 23.98?
on Nov 13, 2007 at 10:13:36 pm

I put a bunch of P2 720P 23.98 clips on my Raid and brought them into FCP 6.0.1. They all run at 23.98 fps. I have them strung out into 23.98 sequences in 30 minute chunks with continuous time code so I can output them to tape. I have the AJ 1200A with no firewire option. I can crash record on the deck and get the footage to output with a pretty close match to timecode but it is running at 29.97 on the tape....still it seems to synch up except I have 29.97 fps on the tape and 23.98 on the timeline.

Since I cannot assemble edit from FCP because I don't have the AJ1400 or a firewire option, a crash record with play on the timeline seems to be the only way I can at least get a close timecode match to the original clips.

Is there a way to get the tape to record 23.98? When I set the deck's menu to 23/24 system clock I get a flashing memu item....it is ok with 59/60.

Any thoughts?

Rich Rubasch
Tilt Media


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JeremyG
Re: P2 Clips out to tape 23.98?
on Nov 14, 2007 at 12:26:00 am

The deck always records @ 59.94 frames per second. And since FCP will not send the RP188 data BACK to the deck, you are hosed. Buy a couple of drives and back up digitally. Tape is soooooooo 2005. ;-D

Jeremy



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Rich Rubasch
Re: P2 Clips out to tape 23.98?
on Nov 14, 2007 at 1:58:05 am

Interestingly enough the timecode seems to track even with the sequence playing out at 23.98 and the deck recording 29.97. So if I get approximate timecodes for a sound bite at least I can digitize the clip because the seconds will be very close and we add handles anyway.

Thanks for the clarification.

Rich Rubasch
Tilt Media


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JeremyG
Re: P2 Clips out to tape 23.98?
on Nov 14, 2007 at 2:06:40 am

The timecode will track, yes, but you won't be able to get back to 23.98. Your clips are now 59.94 with no flags.

Jeremy


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Christopher S. Johnson
Re: P2 Clips out to tape 23.98?
on Nov 14, 2007 at 8:42:58 pm

Is there a DVCPRO-HD deck anywhere that can record just 23.98? Or Does Panasonic consider all decks to be "broadcast formats" only?

Thanks.


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JeremyG
Re: P2 Clips out to tape 23.98?
on Nov 14, 2007 at 9:09:52 pm

It's not DVCPro HD it's the SMPTE 720p60 spec. The spec lists 59.94 (60p) and 720p23.98 is only an intermediate format that we can edit/process. It's the same principle as 24p within NTSC, you have to record it within the spec which is 29.97 even tough you can edit @ 23.98. When you monitor 23.98 footage in 720p or NTSC you are watching the footage with pulldown put back in by the Kona/Final Cut at either 59.94p or 29.97i.

Jeremy


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Christopher S. Johnson
Re: P2 Clips out to tape 23.98?
on Nov 14, 2007 at 9:27:42 pm


Right. Thanks for that info. But I thought I had heard about a HDCam or D-5 tape that recorded pure 23.98. So I thought Panasonic might do this as well on a high end deck.

-Christopher


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JeremyG
Re: P2 Clips out to tape 23.98?
on Nov 14, 2007 at 9:44:12 pm

[Christopher S. Johnson] "So I thought Panasonic might do this as well on a high end deck.
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They already do in the D5 (it's a Panasonic format) but it records @ 1080p23.98 among other formats (D5 also records @ 720p60). SMPTE recognizes 1080p23.98 as a deliverable so that's why there's decks that can record it. With a Kona3 (or ioHD) you can take your 720p23.98 timeline and cross convert it to 1080p23.98 for mastering to D5 or HDCam SR with a click of a button with great results.

Does all that make sense to you?

Jeremy





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Christopher S. Johnson
Re: P2 Clips out to tape 23.98?
on Nov 14, 2007 at 10:04:04 pm

Got it. Thanks man.

-CJ


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JeremyG
Re: P2 Clips out to tape 23.98?
on Nov 14, 2007 at 11:10:30 pm

No worries.

Jeremy



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