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LankBeach
Upconverting via Kona - 29.97 Anamorphic DV to 23.98 DVC Pro HD
on Sep 14, 2007 at 4:43:52 pm

I am having problems upconverting anamorphic 29.97 DV footage to 23.98 720p DVC Pro HD footage for use in a 720p 23.98 DVC Pro HD timeline. I have tried just about every combination in FCP as well as my kona 3 control panel and the footage I capture only seems to play back as slow motion.

When I try to capture/upconvert the sdi in in the kona contol panel reads 525 29.97 and is being upconverted to 720p 59.94... setting which are being pulled from FCP. What am I doing wrong?



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walter biscardi
Re: Upconverting via Kona - 29.97 Anamorphic DV to 23.98 DVC Pro HD
on Sep 14, 2007 at 4:48:13 pm

[LankBeach] "
When I try to capture/upconvert the sdi in in the kona contol panel reads 525 29.97 and is being upconverted to 720p 59.94... setting which are being pulled from FCP. What am I doing wrong?"


You can't change frame rates from 29.97 to 23.98 in the Kona. You would require something like a Terranex to do this.

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LankBeach
Re: Upconverting via Kona - 29.97 Anamorphic DV to 23.98 DVC Pro HD
on Sep 14, 2007 at 4:54:02 pm

Would it work if I captured the DV footage as normal dv footage then converted it to dvc pro footage via compressor?


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walter biscardi
Re: Upconverting via Kona - 29.97 Anamorphic DV to 23.98 DVC Pro HD
on Sep 14, 2007 at 5:45:13 pm

[LankBeach] "Would it work if I captured the DV footage as normal dv footage then converted it to dvc pro footage via compressor?"

That will most likely look like crap. You really want hardware conversion for this process.

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LankBeach
Re: Upconverting via Kona - 29.97 Anamorphic DV to 23.98 DVC Pro HD
on Sep 14, 2007 at 5:55:07 pm

Would it be a better idea to downconvert the hd footage to sd instead and just edit in an sd 29.97 timeline for the project? I have to mix dv footage with 23.98 dvc pro footage, as well as still images. the deliverable will be on a dvd so it will have to be converted to sd for that anyway.


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walter biscardi
Re: Upconverting via Kona - 29.97 Anamorphic DV to 23.98 DVC Pro HD
on Sep 14, 2007 at 5:58:25 pm

[LankBeach] "I have to mix dv footage with 23.98 dvc pro footage, as well as still images. the deliverable will be on a dvd so it will have to be converted to sd for that anyway."

If you're playing the DVCPro HD footage off a deck, then yes, simply capture the DVCPro HD to SD. The deck plays in 59.94 at all times anyway so you can simply capture from 59.94 to 29.97 SD.

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LankBeach
Re: Upconverting via Kona - 29.97 Anamorphic DV to 23.98 DVC Pro HD
on Sep 14, 2007 at 6:09:17 pm

Yeah, I knew that would work. I just wanted to see if there was an easy way to go from SD to DVC PRO because I already captured 5 tapes of the DVC PRO footage. I guess I'll just recapture it in a downconverted format.

Thanks alot for your help!


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JeremyG
Re: Upconverting via Kona - 29.97 Anamorphic DV to 23.98 DVC Pro HD
on Sep 14, 2007 at 11:49:21 pm

I'd try compressor with a test clip, what's the penalty?

If you turn on all the 'best' options, it's going to take a while, but I bet you get decent results.


Jeremy


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John Pale
Re: Upconverting via Kona - 29.97 Anamorphic DV to 23.98 DVC Pro HD
on Sep 15, 2007 at 12:56:41 pm

[JeremyG] "If you turn on all the 'best' options, it's going to take a while, but I bet you get decent results.
"

If you turn on all the 'best' options, it could literally take a week to render, depending on your machine.




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Lu Nelson
Re: Upconverting via Kona - 29.97 Anamorphic DV to 23.98 DVC Pro HD
on Sep 15, 2007 at 3:05:45 pm

Actually you should try compressor. it will take a long time but on a new computer it might work for you, and actually it does not look like crap it looks pretty good.



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LankBeach
Re: Upconverting via Kona - 29.97 Anamorphic DV to 23.98 DVC Pro HD
on Sep 17, 2007 at 1:08:51 pm

I tried a 10 second test clip and it took 10 minutes on a 2x2.26 dual-core intel mac.
I had some other programs running while it was still converting but that is still pretty rediculous. might work if I leave all my clips converting over night.


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Lu Nelson
Re: Upconverting via Kona - 29.97 Anamorphic DV to 23.98 DVC Pro HD
on Sep 17, 2007 at 2:44:13 pm

Go in to your Qmaster settings (assuming you are running Final Cut Studio 2) in your System Preferences and I believe there are further options for the Compressor services that let you run multiple instances of the service. On a quad core machine the optimal number is 3. On an eight core it is 5. This will improve your times quite a bit as it will process your job in parallel segments; but yes it is slow.

However, I don't think it's too ridiculous when you consider it's free as part of FCS2 and the comparable hardware-based realtime alternative is *much* more expensive.


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