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Martin
The Definitive Word on Kona 3 vs. IO HD
on May 3, 2007 at 10:16:08 pm

Hi Guys

Thanks so much for all the great advice I've gotten by reading the COW forums!

I just ordered a Mac Pro 8 core and I'll need either the Kona 3 PCIe or the IO HD. I already own a full IO that I use with a macbook pro.

From what I understand from everything I've read here...if I want to use DVC Pro HD, Pro Res 422 and (occasionally) uncompressed HD, and don't necessarily need to be all that portable....I should go with the Kona 3 PCIe. This will also enable me to use all flavors of SD as well. (My IO will give me all the SD connections I could possibly need).

Have I read correctly?

Thanks in Advance

Tim Martin

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CharlieX
Re: The Definitive Word on Kona 3 vs. IO HD
on May 3, 2007 at 10:47:25 pm

Kona 3 all the way. The IO is great for a portable solution, HD on the road, but the card will give you more options plus the ability to go full uncompressed HD.



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walter biscardi
Re: The Definitive Word on Kona 3 vs. IO HD
on May 3, 2007 at 10:48:49 pm

[CharlieX] "The IO is great for a portable solution, HD on the road, but the card will give you more options plus the ability to go full uncompressed HD."

actually, Uncompressed HD is the only difference between the two products AND the Io HD gives you Analog I/O which is important to a lot of folks.

For a strictly compressed HD workflow and all flavors of SD, it's a toss up.

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szumlins
Re: The Definitive Word on Kona 3 vs. IO HD
on May 4, 2007 at 2:35:03 am

[walter biscardi] "actually, Uncompressed HD is the only difference between the two products AND the Io HD gives you Analog I/O which is important to a lot of folks."

That is an understatement if I ever heard it. The Kona 3 has support for Dual-link 4:4:4 and 2K footage that the ioHD just can't do.

The Kona 3 also has the Downstream Keyer functionality not present in the ioHD. Maybe not used by everyone, but the first time you don't have to rerender your entire piece to do a custom letterbox or put a bug on it, it is worth it.

This in addition to uncompressed HD round out the abilities of what the ioHD can't do.

The ioHD on the other hand has some nice options that the Kona 3 doesn't provide, such as LTC, HDMI I/O, and analog I/O as well as digital I/O.

Both solutions have some similarities and differences, picking the one that is right for you depends on your desired workflow and balancing which things are more valuable to you.

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walter biscardi
Re: The Definitive Word on Kona 3 vs. IO HD
on May 3, 2007 at 11:06:34 pm

And actually if you want to hear directly from Nick Rashby about the Io HD and everything else AJA, just go listen to my All Things Apple Podcast on iTunes.

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Martin
Re: The Definitive Word on Kona 3 vs. IO HD
on May 4, 2007 at 12:09:36 am

Thanks Guys

Actually Walter, I did have a listen and found the cast extremely informative.

The card will still do Pro Res 422 though right? It'll just take a little more horsepower since the codec isn't built into the card...I think?

Tim Martin

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walter biscardi
Re: The Definitive Word on Kona 3 vs. IO HD
on May 4, 2007 at 1:07:38 am

[Martin] "The card will still do Pro Res 422 though right? It'll just take a little more horsepower since the codec isn't built into the card...I think?"

Both the Io HD and the Kona support the Apple ProRes 422 Codec. The Kona 3 workstation I was running at NAB had FCP 6 installed with the 422 codec as an option, just like all the other codecs are available now.

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LKgarza
Re: The Definitive Word on Kona 3 vs. IO HD
on May 4, 2007 at 3:38:30 am

So when you guys say that the hd io does not do uncompressed hd what exactly do you mean, i understand that you can capture anything in to pro ress or is that wrong. Now do you mean on the output it wont upconvert or downconvert to whatever formant your trying to finish as like dv cam or dvcpro hd thru any of the ports like a kona 3 or does it only output proRes or do i have this completely all wrong sorry im a rookie at this. Reason i ask is i have a canon h1 and want to capture from hdsdi into hd io into pro res then when finished editing would like to deliver to whatever format that client wants. So lets say wanted dvcpro hd could i then just go out of hd io into dvcpro hd deck thru sdi and work or since it is pro res out would it not. Again sorry im trying to make a decision on what to buy and dont understand it very well. thankyou



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cofe
Re: The Definitive Word on Kona 3 vs. IO HD
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on May 4, 2007 at 5:44:07 am

you are correct. using the ioHD you can master to anything you like.
the difference is that the ioHD only allows for prores422 HD while inside the machine (so to speak) the reason is probably that only the compressed HD signal can travel over firewire 800. firewire 800 is to slow for uncompressed HD.
It is hard to say right now how much the prores422 codec compromises on quality compared to uncompressed HD. Unless we can test the unit, nobody knows..
But the odds that prores422 HD is all you ever need for broadcast (anything higher like film output is most likely not the target for Apple and Aja with this box) are very good.


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LKgarza
Re: The Definitive Word on Kona 3 vs. IO HD
on May 4, 2007 at 6:25:34 am

ok was right on which part, you say master to pro res ok i know it comes in prores but what about out, is it only pro res out, if so does that mean only can moniter with all the outputs or can you go into decks and get dvcprohd and hdcam



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walter biscardi
Re: The Definitive Word on Kona 3 vs. IO HD
on May 4, 2007 at 10:55:14 am

[cofe] "the difference is that the ioHD only allows for prores422 HD"

Incorrect. All compressed HD formats are supported including DVCPro HD and HDV.

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cofe
Re: The Definitive Word on Kona 3 vs. IO HD
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on May 4, 2007 at 11:06:16 pm

didn't know that.
the box gets more interesting by the day.


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walter biscardi
Re: The Definitive Word on Kona 3 vs. IO HD
on May 6, 2007 at 12:23:13 pm

[walter biscardi] "[cofe] "the difference is that the ioHD only allows for prores422 HD"

Incorrect. All compressed HD formats are supported including DVCPro HD and HDV."


I need to clarify here that the box itself does not encode to DVCPro HD or HDV. It does allow you to capture to DVCPro HD via software just like the Kona 3 uses the Apple software to encode HD-SDI material to that codec on a desktop. And HDV playback only is supported, just like the Kona 3, assuming your processor is fast enough to play it out in realtime.

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walter biscardi
Re: The Definitive Word on Kona 3 vs. IO HD
on May 4, 2007 at 10:55:59 am

[LKgarza] "So when you guys say that the hd io does not do uncompressed hd what exactly do you mean,"

You cannot capture to, or edit with, Uncompressed 8bit HD, Uncompressed 10bit HD, 4:4:4 HD.

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walter biscardi
Re: The Definitive Word on Kona 3 vs. IO HD
on May 4, 2007 at 11:03:32 am

[walter biscardi] "You cannot capture to, or edit with, Uncompressed 8bit HD, Uncompressed 10bit HD, 4:4:4 HD."

Oh and add 2K to that list.

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Martin
Re: The Definitive Word on Kona 3 vs. IO HD
on May 4, 2007 at 12:19:39 pm

I sure wish AJA would give the IO HD box to you, Shane, Bob, Jerry, Gary etc for testing purposes.



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walter biscardi
Re: The Definitive Word on Kona 3 vs. IO HD
on May 4, 2007 at 12:24:11 pm

[Martin] "sure wish AJA would give the IO HD box to you, Shane, Bob, Jerry, Gary etc for testing purposes."

It doesn't really exist yet. Those were prototypes at NAB and they are still testing / perfecting it, hence the July ship date. So testing it right now in the field would be useless.

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Martin
Re: The Definitive Word on Kona 3 vs. IO HD
on May 4, 2007 at 1:00:32 pm

Well then...I guess we must wait! 8-)

Martin

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