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Jake Cauty
Server/Storage for Editor..??
on Aug 9, 2017 at 8:44:34 am

Hi guys

I'm a freelance Editor and do a lot of my work from home. I've been buying 2TB passport drives to store my work on, but it's getting to the point where there's just too many floating around the place.

I'd rather not spend £50k on a NAS server. Is there something I can build? I just need a lot of space, with a high transfer speed. 50TB storage minimum really.

Any thoughts welcome. Thanks!


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alex gardiner
Re: Server/Storage for Editor..??
on Aug 9, 2017 at 9:03:57 am

Talk to Bob Zelin (or search for his posts) regarding QNAP solutions. Anything with 10G networking and 8xHDD (or more) should be fine.

You can certainly build your own solution, but it's probably going to take more time than you have to dedicate. If you absolutely have to DIY, consider FreeNAS and a mainboard with ECC memory.

One question...

If you work at home (on your own) do you really need shared storage? This might be adding a level of 'complexity' that simply is not required. If the answer is no, then I'd suggest a direct attached RAID of some kind. Ideally this would be something USB3/C/Thunderbolt that is designed for professionals. Choose RAID6* (not 5).

Whatever you buy, populate it with good quality drives. WD RED's are fine, RED Pro's are 'better'. I like the HGST NAS, for what that's worth, but fit the HGST Ultrastar 7k6000 when it counts. Either way, all drives fail and RAID isn't a backup, so you must keep one.

* Not the final word on RAID, but it's good enough for most people.

Storage Engineer
alex@indiestor.com


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Jake Cauty
Re: Server/Storage for Editor..??
on Aug 9, 2017 at 9:23:14 am

Thanks for the speedy and in-depth reply!

You're right, I won't need shared storage. I'll look into your suggestions and get something sorted out. Just what I needed to hear, I was going crazy researching things and getting nowhere.

Thanks a lot, really appreciated.


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alex gardiner
Re: Server/Storage for Editor..??
on Aug 9, 2017 at 9:56:08 am

No problem Jake.

Are you using a Mac?

Storage Engineer
alex@indiestor.com


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Jake Cauty
Re: Server/Storage for Editor..??
on Aug 9, 2017 at 10:45:13 am

Yes, a 5k iMac!


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alex gardiner
Re: Server/Storage for Editor..??
on Aug 9, 2017 at 11:40:14 am

haha nice!

So you're really spoilt for choice when it comes to connectivity.

G|Tech, Pagasus and ATTO are probably not bad starting points.

I'd also recommend talking to a specialist if this is what you do for a living. You should mention to him/her which applications are important to you (AVID/FCPX/Premiere), any codec/resolution/bandwidth expectations you may have.

My area is shared storage, so I can't help much more, but I know that simplicity is golden and if you don't have to get tangled up in networking then you you shouldn't.

Try Bob Z. He's probably able to help further and will give you more straight answers.

Storage Engineer
alex@indiestor.com


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greg janza
Re: Server/Storage for Editor..??
on Aug 9, 2017 at 2:55:51 pm

sounds like you're best option is a raid like a Pegasus or OWC Thunderbay but definitely ask bob z.

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Bob Zelin
Re: Server/Storage for Editor..??
on Aug 9, 2017 at 8:01:35 pm

everyone responding is correct. Believe me, I would love to show you a NAS workflow, but you don't need it.
A nice boring G-Tech Studio XL, or Promise Pegasus thunderbolt RAID is all you need. If you need something smaller than 8 drives, G-Tech, Promise, Cal Digit, Akitio, and OWC all make perfectly fine products for what you are looking for.

While you can find entry level QNAP's for less than a G-Tech or Promise, these are not plug and play products, and require setup (translation - paying someone to help you) - so you are best off with one of the above mentioned products.

Bob Zelin

Bob Zelin
Rescue 1, Inc.
bobzelin@icloud.com


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Jake Cauty
Re: Server/Storage for Editor..??
on Aug 10, 2017 at 8:54:56 am

Thank you everyone for your replies! Really very useful and just what I needed, and thank you Bob.

Really appreciate it guys. Excited to sort this out now!

Thanks


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Kevin Duffey
Re: Server/Storage for Editor..??
on Aug 15, 2017 at 11:57:42 pm

Hey all,

So I am probably not understanding something correctly... I too am looking to grow to 50 or more TBs of space (in another thread I posted about storing about 50 to 60 4K DNxHR SQ 1.25 hour long soccer games for future editing at end of season). Right now I set up a simple QNAP 2 drive NAS (which I JBOD for use with files I dont care about), and a separate 5 drive Synology NAS. I only have gigabit network right now in my house, but plan to get a 10gig local switch for my soon to be built AMD threadripper setup. I am not sure I understand though why using a NAS is not the way to go for the OP (and maybe for myself). I was using NAS to store the source files as my main systems are all SSD for editing/speed. However, as I start to work on a highlight reel at end of season where I need to pull in clips from 25 or so of these 250GB DNxHR video files, I am thinking a 10gig network and sourcing from the NAS directly would be ideal. Otherwise, I am going to have to copy all the files to my editing rig, which means more storage, etc.

Now, to my point about 10gig switch, I was thinking it would be a good solution with 5 10TB Iron Wolf Pro drives in RAID 6 (though I am reading that RAID 5 or 6 is not ideal now..). However, I also have Thunerbolt 3 on my editing machine (and will on the new one), so perhaps given the size of the files, it would be better to look at a 5 to 8 bay local box with Thunderbolt 3 connectivity?

Either way... I want to ensure the files are safe.. e.g. if a drive fails, I am not losing any footage. I really cant afford 20TBs right now.. much less double that to do backups with. How do you guys handle backups of footage? Is there a better codec to use without losing any quality from my 10bit 422 DNxHR files (yes I know DNxHR SQ is only 8bit.. but eventually when I get a GH5 (or 6 by the time I have the funds) I plan to record in 10bit 422 DNxHR HQ)? I was wondering if using CineformDNG would compress better while not losing any data?

Thanks.


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