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Gary Huff
4.5 Million Records of Idenitfying Information Hacked
on Aug 19, 2014 at 5:11:28 pm
Last Edited By Gary Huff on Aug 19, 2014 at 5:12:36 pm

From Ars Technica.

Now, how many of you who got all bent out of shape about Adobe going to now go to your health service provider and cease to do business with them if they use Community Health Systems?

The attack should come as no surprise. Recent ratings released by security-rating firm BitSight found that the healthcare industry had more security issues and signs of breaches than any other industry, including the retail sector.


Oh well, don't care, do we? Only when Adobe gets bit.


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Andrew Kimery
Re: 4.5 Million Records of Idenitfying Information Hacked
on Aug 19, 2014 at 5:24:45 pm

I see I'm not the only one that thinks of this forum whenever a big hack is made public. lol


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Dave LaRonde
Re: 4.5 Million Records of Idenitfying Information Hacked
on Aug 20, 2014 at 1:06:27 am
Last Edited By Dave LaRonde on Aug 20, 2014 at 1:13:46 am

There may be a Target Stores user forum -- hey, it could happen -- and if an important portion of my livelihood revolved around the ins and outs of shopping at Target, I'd probably frequent it.

And if such a thing DOES exist, I'm pretty certain Target was being reviled in November & December, and probably still do.

Well, lo and behold, there is indeed a forum for Adobe. And certain people seem to be a bit touchy when people on the Adobe forum don't also revile Target on certain issues. Or a health insurance provider. Or the Farmer's Daughter variety store in Iowa.

Hey, wake up -- there's a reason it's the ADOBE forum.

Dave LaRonde
Promotion Producer
KGAN (CBS) & KFXA (Fox) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Gary Huff
Re: 4.5 Million Records of Idenitfying Information Hacked
on Aug 20, 2014 at 2:32:56 am

[Dave LaRonde] "Hey, wake up -- there's a reason it's the ADOBE forum."

Doesn't mean that you can't be hypocritical about an issue simply because it happened to Adobe. Especially given that I highly doubt you will be checking with your medical service provider to see which service they use.


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Herbert van der wegen
Re: 4.5 Million Records of Idenitfying Information Hacked
on Aug 20, 2014 at 12:57:52 am

Meh. Part of computing life.

As for Adobe: at the time my only thought was how badly Adobe management handled themselves when dealing with the fallout and their reaction to being hacked.

The negative response from many users in regards to the Adobe hack had more to do with the fact that many felt hoodwinked by Adobe en masse (because of the CC move), and thus they reacted emotionally in a negative manner when the news (finally) got out that Adobe's systems had a severe breach in security.

That aside, the breach in itself can be excused (if you can excuse 150 million records being stolen) - the gigantic blunder on Adobe's part to properly encrypt the sensitive data cannot. That was plain stupid, and almost criminal negligence on their part (in my opinion). Honestly? DUH!



Which is why I would not trust them with my data. This is irrelevant of other breaches at other companies and institutions - I would not trust those either.

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Andrew Kimery
Re: 4.5 Million Records of Idenitfying Information Hacked
on Aug 20, 2014 at 1:23:13 am

[Herbert van der wegen] "Which is why I would not trust them with my data. This is irrelevant of other breaches at other companies and institutions - I would not trust those either."

Unless you live on a deserted island, grow all your own food, make all your own clothes, etc.,. you have no choice but to trust other people with your data. Do you use email? Have you ever had a job? A bank account? A credit card? A driver's license/any form of government ID? Insurance? Been to a doctor? Gone to school? Rented an apartment? Bought a house? Owned any device with personal information on it that's connected to the Internet?

Banks have been hacked. Payroll companies have been hacked. Corporate HR departments have been hacked. The companies responsible for credit ratings in America have been hacked. Email providers have been hacked. Point of sale terminals have been hacked. ATMs and gas pump card readers have been hacked. People steal mail. Waiter/waitresses skim cards when people hand them over to pay the bill.

What do you do when everyone and everything is hackable? Companies are only trustworthy until they get hacked and every company is going to get hacked sooner or later.


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Gary Huff
Re: 4.5 Million Records of Idenitfying Information Hacked
on Aug 20, 2014 at 2:34:07 am

[Andrew Kimery] "Unless you live on a deserted island, grow all your own food, make all your own clothes, etc.,. you have no choice but to trust other people with your data."

I honestly think that some of the comments here stem from a general ignorance about how our modern economy works when it comes to technology.


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Herbert van der wegen
Re: 4.5 Million Records of Idenitfying Information Hacked
on Aug 20, 2014 at 3:22:20 am
Last Edited By Herbert van der wegen on Aug 20, 2014 at 3:25:07 am

Don't read too much into that sentence: the fact I do not trust those companies' online security does not mean I do not make use of them. You are entirely correct in that hacking is a part of our computing life.

And please do not turn the argument into a false dilemma: not trusting Adobe and a limited number of other companies and institutions does not imply the only option left to us is that we isolate ourselves from society. It is not a black and white thing. It does not automatically translate into becoming a paranoid schizophrenic ;-).

I am merely saying a healthy dose of critical thought can't hurt, and we need to pay attention to our surroundings - remain vigilant while we browse and use the internet and related services (as we do when we walk down the street and deal with physical people).

Too many people fall for online phishing tricks, for example. Or still use the same password for every online service they use. Some banks actually allow online banking with but an account number and an insanely short eight character long password (my bank, unfortunately).

Gary is correct, unfortunately - the majority of users have no idea about the technical side of things. More worryingly, this is also often true of the people who run many of these services, and fail to secure their servers and their data the proper way.

Which can result in some people at Adobe making a very silly mistake when a database with sensitive data is not properly encrypted in the first place.

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Gary Huff
Re: 4.5 Million Records of Idenitfying Information Hacked
on Aug 20, 2014 at 3:30:14 am
Last Edited By Gary Huff on Aug 20, 2014 at 3:30:27 am

[Herbert van der wegen] "this is also often true of the people who run many of these services, and fail to secure their servers and their data the proper way."

I would say it's less the people who run these services and more the people who manage the people who run these services and the people above them.

Keeping up with the fast pace of change requires downtime and expenditures that must be approved, and approved by people who probably don't have the firmest grasp of the subject.

Plus, there are users who freak out every time anything is down for any kind of maintenance.

So between money and an unwillingness to allow for much downtime, it's not wonder that nothing is secure, coupled with the fact that anything that can be accessed at all, is inherently not secure.


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Herbert van der wegen
Re: 4.5 Million Records of Idenitfying Information Hacked
on Aug 20, 2014 at 4:18:08 am

I did not want to say it out loud, but yes: you are correct.

A friend of mine works as a senior system admin for a company that does credit checks for banks - because of management decisions (managers who have no inkling about technical issues and who are easily impressed by external consultants trying to sell the most overly complex and expensive IT "solutions") the technical side of things have become so complex and interwoven that no-one, even the specialists themselves, really has a good understanding of all the systems in use anymore.

Simple is often best - there is mostly no need to over-complicate things, but it seems inherent in humans to do so in many situations (for their own benefit?).

Add in some hackers and crackers into the mix who are some of the more intelligent/creative human minds, and it becomes obvious that no online world connected system can be completely secure.

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Andrew Kimery
Re: 4.5 Million Records of Idenitfying Information Hacked
on Aug 20, 2014 at 7:59:58 pm

[Herbert van der wegen] "And please do not turn the argument into a false dilemma: not trusting Adobe and a limited number of other companies and institutions does not imply the only option left to us is that we isolate ourselves from society. It is not a black and white thing. It does not automatically translate into becoming a paranoid schizophrenic ;-). "

I wasn't trying to turn it into an a false dilemma, just mentioning an extreme to illustrate a point.

When the Adobe hack first broke the dog pile of hate was so far off the charts in this forum you'd think Adobe had personally raided customers' bank accounts, stolen every last penny from every account and FedEx'ed it in a giant box to the hackers.

People complained that, 'Thanks to Adobe' they have to go change all their passwords now because they only use one password (making a new password for each site is too much of a bother). People were like "Why can't Adobe be more proactive like Evernote" but apparently those same people didn't know that a few months prior Evernote was hacked and all 50 million of their users were potentially exposed. People were legitimately concerned that the hackers were now going to tunnel into customer's computers using AE and PS and steal personal information.

It was pretty unreal.


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Ryan Holmes
Re: 4.5 Million Records of Idenitfying Information Hacked
on Aug 20, 2014 at 8:08:33 pm

[Andrew Kimery] "It was pretty unreal."

Naw....it was just another day here at the Cow! :-)

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@CutColorPost


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Jim Wiseman
Re: 4.5 Million Records of Idenitfying Information Hacked
on Aug 25, 2014 at 5:50:00 pm

Stole several hundred from mine. No big deal. I just wasn't in Norway.

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Gary Huff
Re: 4.5 Million Records of Idenitfying Information Hacked
on Aug 27, 2014 at 12:41:00 pm
Last Edited By Gary Huff on Aug 27, 2014 at 12:42:10 pm

[Jim Wiseman] "Stole several hundred from mine. No big deal. I just wasn't in Norway."

Did you end up honestly losing seven hundred dollars? Like you are currently, right now, August 27, 2014, seven hundred dollars short?

So have you contact your medical provider yet to make sure they are not using that compromised system?

Are you ever going to ship anything via UPS again?


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Gabe Strong
Re: 4.5 Million Records of Idenitfying Information Hacked
on Aug 21, 2014 at 7:40:36 am

Believe it or not, I pretty much grew up that way. Grow or hunt your own food, no loans or credit cards.
Not going to go too much into the work thing, but suffice it to say there are so a lot of fishing and
other jobs here that are 'cash' with no paperwork. I was pretty much 'off the grid' as far as must
everything you are talking about. Now of course I have a business so I do have a bank account,
still no credit (and my lack of credit history makes it almost impossible to get some.). I also
know quite a few people who are pretty much totally 'off the grid'. I think Alaska draws them
like Mosquitos......

Gabe Strong
G-Force Productions
http://www.gforcevideo.com


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Andrew Kimery
Re: 4.5 Million Records of Idenitfying Information Hacked
on Aug 25, 2014 at 6:14:26 pm

"Point-of-sale malware has now infected over 1,000 companies in US"

http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/08/point-of-sale-malware-has-now-infec...


Interesting article (and comments) that talks about how it's remote desktop utilities (both first and third party) controlling POS systems that are getting brute force attacked and once the hackers are in they can install the malware to sniff out CC transactions. With over 1,000 companies infected that means for every one we know about (Target, Neiman Marcus, etc.,) there are literally (used properly) hundreds that we don't.


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Gary Huff
Re: 4.5 Million Records of Idenitfying Information Hacked
on Aug 27, 2014 at 12:42:30 pm
Last Edited By Gary Huff on Aug 27, 2014 at 12:42:57 pm

It's not Adobe, so non-issue. Only Adobe, and when they do, they steal eleventy billion dollars from your bank account.


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Steve Connor
Re: 4.5 Million Records of Idenitfying Information Hacked
on Aug 27, 2014 at 4:49:36 pm

[Gary Huff] "It's not Adobe, so non-issue. Only Adobe, and when they do, they steal eleventy billion dollars from your bank account."

Not sure anyone apart from you is still bringing this issue up anymore

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Gary Huff
Re: 4.5 Million Records of Idenitfying Information Hacked
on Aug 27, 2014 at 7:57:01 pm

[Steve Connor] "Not sure anyone apart from you is still bringing this issue up anymore"

I can only remind people of it every time there's a new business hacked. I mean, seems like there was a lot of posturing like Adobe had some significant internal problem that allowed this to happen.


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Steve Connor
Re: 4.5 Million Records of Idenitfying Information Hacked
on Aug 27, 2014 at 8:49:04 pm

[Gary Huff] "I can only remind people of it every time there's a new business hacked."

You're going to be busy then

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Andrew Kimery
Re: 4.5 Million Records of Idenitfying Information Hacked
on Aug 28, 2014 at 4:16:29 pm

Since nothing else is going on in here right now...

FBI investigating hacking attack on JPMorgan

"The FBI is investigating hacking attacks on 7 of the top 15 banks, including one against JPMorgan Chase, according to someone with direct knowledge of the attack."

http://money.cnn.com/2014/08/27/investing/jpmorgan-hack-russia-putin/


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Dave LaRonde
Re: 4.5 Million Records of Idenitfying Information Hacked
on Aug 28, 2014 at 6:50:35 pm

Well, let's give the Good Mr. Huff a raison d'etre....

YEAH, I BET THOSE DIRTBALLS AT ADOBE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT! THEY'VE GOT THEIR GRIMY, NASTY FINGERS IN EVERYTHING!

Dave LaRonde
Promotion Producer
KGAN (CBS) & KFXA (Fox) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Gary Huff
Re: 4.5 Million Records of Idenitfying Information Hacked
on Aug 29, 2014 at 4:06:11 pm

[Dave LaRonde] "YEAH, I BET THOSE DIRTBALLS AT ADOBE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT! THEY'VE GOT THEIR GRIMY, NASTY FINGERS IN EVERYTHING!"

You're not far off from the tone of a lot of your legitimate posts.


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Andrew Kimery
Re: 4.5 Million Records of Idenitfying Information Hacked
on Sep 1, 2014 at 3:06:34 am

iCould hacked. Prepare for lots of 'risque' celebrity photos to hit the 'net and lots of yelling inside Apple HQ.

http://www.idigitaltimes.com/jennifer-lawrence-nude-photos-leak-hacked-iclo...


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John Davidson
Re: 4.5 Million Records of Idenitfying Information Hacked
on Sep 1, 2014 at 6:24:30 am

I wonder if it was really icloud. No actual proof of how it was hacked. Great way to get the stock price down right before the 6 announcement.

John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.


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Steve Connor
Re: 4.5 Million Records of Idenitfying Information Hacked
on Sep 1, 2014 at 1:06:54 pm

and now iCloud may have been hacked, that should please Gary :)

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