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walter biscardi
Autodesk rolls out flexible subscription plan
on Sep 9, 2013 at 1:43:42 pm

Another major subscription model rolled out from Autodesk to offer more flexibility for the end users. Only a matter of time before it's across the entire industry.

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Rainer Schubert
Re: Autodesk rolls out flexible subscription plan
on Sep 9, 2013 at 2:07:56 pm

Nothing against this (not wanted by most users) license-model,
offered with a serious buy-out or this addition (taken from autodesk) by a serious company:
"in addition to traditional licenses"


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Michael Hendrix
Re: Autodesk rolls out flexible subscription plan
on Sep 9, 2013 at 5:50:39 pm

You're kidding, 3D Studio Max is $195 a month! This is a specialized program and you guys are complaining about $50 a month for tools you use everyday.

You also understand that by offering a perpetual license, Autodesk can not provide new features unless it is a new version. Only bug fixes because they are a publicly traded company. This means they could have never done what Adobe just did which is new features four months after the software was released.



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Sandeep Sajeev
Re: Autodesk rolls out flexible subscription plan
on Sep 9, 2013 at 6:02:24 pm

You're assuming the issue is cost. For a lot of people it's not about the 50 bucks or whatever the figure is currently, it's about the lack of a perpetual license.

With the AD model, if I need to add an additional Maya seat for a job, I can pay the $195, and 2 months later open it up/modify it etc in my existing perpetually licensed copy of Maya.

It's something that will work well for a lot of small shops.

EDIT: AD also gets out service packs and extensions pretty regularly. Smoke 2013 for example was released in December of last year, and there have been 2 Service Packs and 1 Extension Release to date. And they've been pretty big releases in their own right as well.


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Michael Hendrix
Re: Autodesk rolls out flexible subscription plan
on Sep 9, 2013 at 6:45:53 pm

So with Adobe, you pay $75 for the extra seat and two months later you open in CC which you paid $50 per month instead of the $3675 you paid for your perpetual license.

By this comparison it would take 6 years of your CC subscription to equal out to one perpetual license.

I know it is not for everyone, just trying to level the playing field a bit.

Also, service packs are bug fixes and extensions you have to pay for?



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Sandeep Sajeev
Re: Autodesk rolls out flexible subscription plan
on Sep 9, 2013 at 7:02:21 pm

When you buy an AD product, you have the option to purchase an annual (!)subscription which gives you all major updates that are rolled out within that window for free. It's confusingly named now that they've launched this pay-as-you-go scheme, but it's basically a maintenance contract.

It also gives you access to proper high quality support, though with AD on the Area forums, even the free support is top-notch.

Generally it's good value, though we're talking in the hundreds of dollars for the Media & Entertainment products and in the thousands for Flame.


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Shane Ross
Re: Autodesk rolls out flexible subscription plan
on Sep 9, 2013 at 7:13:13 pm

I know that one of the big reasons with going subscription only is because many many people will buy software, and use it for 5-8 years without upgrading. Because it works, they don't need to upgrade. This doesn't work for software companies who are constantly updating to keep up with camera makers who are constantly updating...and other technology that just doesn't seem to want to slow down.

(Things are going TOO fast in my opinion. He finally get a lot of networks to switch from SD to HD, some tried to push 3D...and now people are pushing for 4K in the home? There are many MANY networks that are still ONLY SD...haven't made the HD change yet. Changing large operations costs money...thus why things need to be slower)

So I see why Adobe went to subscription only...so they could get the constant money stream so they could keep on top of technology changes and updates. Thing is that not everyone needs to be on the cutting edge, all the time. Some still do things in 5 year increments, or longer. FORCING people to pay constantly for upgrades that they may not download or need...is wrong, IMHO.

And yes, over time it all works out that by the time 6 years or so pass, you'll have finally paid the amount that it would have cost to buy it flat out. That's true NOW...with the current charges...if you subscribe for a full year, or more...if you have previous versions, yada yada yada. But the pricing will increase, as inflation increases. And they can at any time change the price. Or, if you are getting in fresh, it isn't $20 a month, or $50 a month...it's $80 a month. For the 3 apps you might use, and the other 10 that just take up space on your drive. Get only those three...more expensive than going for the whole shibang.

And it's not about "it costs less than if you got a Starbucks latte every day for a month" or "you can recoup this cost with one good paying gig..." It's the fact that I no longer own my shovel, or hammer, I am now renting it. I stop paying, they take my hammer away.

I like owning my hammer.

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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: Autodesk rolls out flexible subscription plan
on Sep 9, 2013 at 8:01:18 pm

[Shane Ross] "I like owning my hammer."

Rather. OK -

One way or another adobe are betting their entire 8 million CS customer base on the strength of that point of ownership. They have stated that they can get by on four million new subscribers. I'm really starting to wonder if there are four million to be had.

Within the first four months - them reducing PS & LR as an application pair to a quarter of the previous price for an app pair with a sign up date very close to the Q4 subscription guidance deadline should at least raise an eyebrow.

With photoshop and lightroom, portfolio hosting and free storage now at ten dollars a month - it has to be obvious to anyone that they are attempting to almost remove cost from the equation (temporarily) in order to accelerate subscription numbers. there is no other explanation. Adobe profit targets on that dollar number are not sustainable in any way. They can't fire that crazy a bullet again.

Whatever way you cut it they are having problems, its too crazy a move. to break it down weighted, that's photoshop for say, seven dollars a month.
that's insane.

I really do actually think now that adobe have way more of a hammer owning pro-customer base than they ever believed they had.
And they are right this minute making some prettty desperate moves to present shareholders with subscription numbers they will swallow -
but even if they get there with a fire sale (that no one notices?), not to mention thousands of free one year subscriptions to vegas PS conference attendees...
I still don't see how that fixes the basic problem that they may have completely misunderstood their customer base.

Even if they crawl over a million towards 1.25M by Q4 - they still have to develop a minimum of four million paying subscribers over the next 36 months in order for any of the sums to make sense - all ranting aside, I think Adobe have some fairly serious, basic problems developing here.

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Rainer Schubert
Re: Autodesk rolls out flexible subscription plan
on Sep 9, 2013 at 9:15:09 pm

Really hope you are right with that.


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Rainer Schubert
Re: Autodesk rolls out flexible subscription plan
on Sep 9, 2013 at 9:23:34 pm

No, not kidding.
I own the right to use both - AD Max & CS6 MC.
And I will never subscribe, if I´m left with nothing after quitting.
Price is not all. Fast delivered updates are nice, but not absolutely necessary.
(btw.: e-onsoftware delivers early beta versions for VueXStream if you are in maintenance plan - why can they do, Adobe not?)
I want to "own" the software I pay for.
I want to have full access to my clients files once I created them - without ongoing payment.


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David Lawrence
Re: Autodesk rolls out flexible subscription plan
on Sep 9, 2013 at 9:39:10 pm

[Rainer Schubert] "I want to "own" the software I pay for.
I want to have full access to my clients files once I created them - without ongoing payment."


Yep, this isn't rocket science. Autodesk seems to have figured out how to make this work for everyone, including Autodesk. You'd think the seventh largest software company in the world could figure it out too.

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Sandeep Sajeev
Re: Autodesk rolls out flexible subscription plan
on Sep 9, 2013 at 4:50:12 pm

This is the kind of sensible option that for whatever reason seems beyond Adobe. This will be a big hit for AD, and is great value for customers.

A win win.


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Shane Ross
Re: Autodesk rolls out flexible subscription plan
on Sep 9, 2013 at 4:57:35 pm

It's very sensible to offer subscription plans OR full buyouts. Subscription only really bothers me. If it continues, and moves to the NLE that I use the most...basically "take it or leave it," then I'll be sticking with the older versions for quite some time. We in Hollywood have a way of sticking with older versions, and keeping them working for years and years.

Subscription only is a money grab, pure and simple.

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David Lawrence
Re: Autodesk rolls out flexible subscription plan
on Sep 9, 2013 at 5:52:16 pm

[Shane Ross] "Subscription only is a money grab, pure and simple."

^ This.

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Chris Pettit
Re: Autodesk rolls out flexible subscription plan
on Sep 9, 2013 at 6:58:12 pm

From Studio Daily description of today's AD announcement:

"Adobe has been lambasted by a vocal segment of its customer base over the decision earlier this year to stop offering traditional perpetual licenses for new versions of its products, offering only subscriptions rather than the option to purchase and own software outright. As previously reported, by offering rentals in addition to perpetual licenses, Autodesk expects to avoid such criticism while addressing customers and facilities who only need extra Autodesk seats on a temporary basis, or who prefer to make a smaller up-front investment in the products."

I have no concerns with software companies offering subscriptions (although Autodesk pricing seems to me to be almost predatory). For core toolsets there is nothing for me to gain by renting. And with Autodesk I wouldn't have to.

With Adobe I'm forced to.

Same discussion, different day.


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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: Autodesk rolls out flexible subscription plan
on Sep 9, 2013 at 7:08:10 pm

[walter biscardi] "Only a matter of time before it's across the entire industry."

Let's just see. Adobe's subscription pricing tiers are now all over the place barely four months into forced subscription.
Depending on what part of the suite you are interested in, you can now suddenly get two apps for half the price of one app.

Does that make any sense to anyone? Does it serve to improve a potential buyers faith in the solidity of the offering? does it smack of desperation to get subscription numbers up? Why are no other CC app pairs being offered for half the price of a single app? Adobe weren't listening to feedback there - that is the action of someone desperately pumping the subscription bellows.

Whatever about autodesk - I strongly suspect the subscription numbers aren't going swimmingly for adobe. Otherwise they wouldn't make a desperate,
quarter of the previous price paired app deal for their core imaging audience. We'll see in november.

I personally suspect this isn't playing out on the ground for adobe. If the subscriptions are deccelerating this early, and they can be seen to do so come Q4, then Adobe are in some serious real trouble in terms of shareholder forward guidance relative to their published adoption targets.

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Ricardo Marty
Re: Autodesk rolls out flexible subscription plan
on Sep 10, 2013 at 3:35:20 am

Adobe will do the impossible to reach its first benchmark in q4 just to save face. Then I am sure that they will roll out a program for us in the perpetual fraternity as a pr thing to show that they care- but in reality to repelenish their arks. so dont expect anything before Dec. 2013.

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