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Florian Sepp
model like maxon in future? founding in dpreview forum
on Sep 6, 2013 at 5:44:57 pm

If I do not missunderstand this. I is going to get interestng.

would be interesting to here statements of the adobe people here.

repost from dpreview forum:

By Carlos C (3 hours ago)

Update:
I just chatted with and Adobe sales person...you can still buy CS6, but seems for not too much longer...see parts of the chat below:

Thank you for contacting Adobe Sales. My name is Phillip. How may I help you today?
Phillip: Hi, may I have your first name please?
you: can i still buy CS6 outright?
Carlos : Carlos
Carlos : is my first name
Phillip: Hello Carlos,
Phillip: Sure, let me help you with the information.
Phillip: You can buy CS6 outright, however, let me inform you that Carlos
Phillip: Going forward customers using Adobe products have to upgrade every year, this will soon become mandatory. This runs up to the same price as to the Cloud membership. Its the smartest decision to invest in Creative Cloud in the longer run.
Phillip: All of our customers are moving to Cloud as it is the new offering from Adobe. They have liked what Cloud can do and hence are subscribing to Cloud.



found here:
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/09/04/adobe-introduces-cheaper-creative-c...


best regards
Florian

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http://www.floriansepp.com


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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: model like maxon in future? founding in dpreview forum
on Sep 6, 2013 at 6:40:10 pm

that would solve it completely - I would be upgrading annually anyway. If they tie me in with services, storage, portfolio hosting, file sharing, application customisation on login, and a premier type library tied to the active account it's incredibly, incredibly unlikely I would ever dis-embark.

the critical point is that I know that I could, and if I did so, I would have editing access to the works created up to that point.

God adobe come on - premiere is starting to pop up around the place and they're all on 6. which is fine but seven would be a god send basically.

If only so that I don't have to twirl down to expand the bloody tracks.
For the love of god do something to shift the argument - also now that some people are getting two apps for half the price of one app, your subscription pricing structure is starting to look mental. It doesn't look good - it also looks a tad desperate.

Do something.

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Ricardo Marty
Re: model like maxon in future? founding in dpreview forum
on Sep 6, 2013 at 8:58:02 pm

What ever they do imop it will have to have a differentsation (does This word exist!) to cc otherwise why would anyone go cc?

Ricardo


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Gary Huff
Re: model like maxon in future? founding in dpreview forum
on Sep 6, 2013 at 7:53:10 pm

Umm...exactly where does this say anything like you claim it says?


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Ricardo Marty
Re: model like maxon in future? founding in dpreview forum
on Sep 6, 2013 at 8:49:19 pm

Phillip: Going forward customers using Adobe products have to upgrade every year, this will soon become mandatory. This runs up to the same price as to the Cloud membership. Its the smartest decision to invest in Creative Cloud in the longer run.

This implies very clearly that there will be another option. i dont think that it will be the same offerinf as cc but you get to keep your last purchase.

Ricardo


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Gary Huff
Re: model like maxon in future? founding in dpreview forum
on Sep 10, 2013 at 3:26:11 pm

[Ricardo Marty] "This implies very clearly that there will be another option"

No it doesn't. It makes no sense if you actually read it.


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Florian Sepp
Re: model like maxon in future? founding in dpreview forum
on Sep 6, 2013 at 8:56:47 pm

I am not native speeking english.

thats why i said " If I understand it correctly"
and I am not shure if I understood correctly.

how would you understand that statement?

" Going forward customers using Adobe products have to upgrade every year, this will soon become mandatory. This runs up to the same price as to the Cloud membership "

best ragards
Florian

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http://www.floriansepp.com


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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: model like maxon in future? founding in dpreview forum
on Sep 6, 2013 at 9:42:06 pm

you're a subtle linguistic player there Florian.

please do continue to post - as this is a worryingly small band.
who was "Carlos C?" did you get that from the adobe forums?

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Florian Sepp
Re: model like maxon in future? founding in dpreview forum
on Sep 6, 2013 at 10:37:49 pm

Hi Aindreas,

unfortunately I have no further information what so ever.
not about carlos (dont know him)
and not about any future steps that adobe might take

I found the post at dpreview.com (you can find the link n my first post)

anyway as I was tricked into a 1 man volume license when I needed a download of cs5 production bundle (in that time there was no option for download a normal licensed version and a boxed version would have come to late) (thats how fast things change with adobe)
therefor I am most propably out of the game anyway, as many update offers exclude volume licenses. Not happy about that coming from v5 many years ago.

but hope never dies. so maybe I can upgrade to cs6 production with an MSA simular to maxons systhem.

thats maybe the reason why I put to many hope into this unconfirmed statement of carlos :)

best regards
Florian

Florian Sepp visual arts
http://www.floriansepp.com


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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: model like maxon in future? founding in dpreview forum
on Sep 6, 2013 at 9:15:19 pm

if he's right, the adobe dude has spoken to mandatory upgrades for a suite (CS6) that currently has no upgrade path.
He also gets weirdly specific about upgrades being identical to membership.
read it again -

Going forward customers using Adobe products have to upgrade every year, this will soon become mandatory. This runs up to the same price as to the Cloud membership. Its the smartest decision to invest in Creative Cloud in the longer run.

either this is just adobe support knowing about as much about adobe as we do (boom boom) - or there is a peek at an internal shift that is going to run to mandatory annual upgrades from CS6 to join current CC subscriptions with -spitballing - some removal of the host of benefits you can get from CC membership.

I'm taking back my above post basically: if this were going to make sense to adobe, they would offer lockstep, mandatory software upgrades for existing CS6 customers, rolling over annually as bare bones software service upgrade -

or ok a rant anyway -

Look God knows - but one way or another adobe need to figure out a proper game plan. they could easily have a locked 2-3 year rolling cell style service plan with mid cycle punitive exits. realistically, with the real carrots on offer that should be more than plenty.
It's the idea that they feel the need to pull off a subscription plan for all time is the insanity. They simply can't hold the software hostage like that.
Plus I don't think its working. Pretty much every shop I've come across - look - no one understands why they had to go there.
This isn't a netflix rental. This is access to our work. no one trusts where adobe are coming from. I honestly don't think adobe gets that.

you'd almost think in the end that the greatest danger to adobe was that they somehow suddenly felt there was too much immediate danger out there,
and hello all the crazy new tipping the entire cart moves.
But the point is no one was ready for, or really understands, how they suddenly got here.
or indeed how the photoshop crowd now suddenly got a crazy new deal.

a deal that undermines the entire four month old forced subscription for everyone else.

anyway -

it's a mess? And it's hard not to see adobe as being fundamentally damaged at this rate.

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Ricardo Marty
Re: model like maxon in future? founding in dpreview forum
on Sep 7, 2013 at 12:38:37 am

If true one can also infer that the upgrades will be for current users or those that buy cs6 while its avaiable. So maybe after they stop selling cs6 the only way to get adobe will be via the cloud or upgrade for those who had the product and continue upgrading. They will have you on a hook anyway you look at it, but i will upgrade for as long aS I can Maybe cs6 has been clouding their cloud and must get ris of it asap.

Ricardo

Boy they are going to make tons of money. my visa is ready.


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