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Aindreas Gallagher
meanwhile, adobe continues to merrily gut-punch educators and charities.
on Jun 6, 2013 at 10:40:04 pm

http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1225335?tstart=60

I work for an academic institution in Surrey that has been using Adobe CS3 Suite since 2009...it became clear that we would need to upgrade.
Then Adobe announced that there would be no CS7 and that the Creative Cloud subscription service would be the only way to access the CS suite in the future.
Last month we received a quote for CS6 that would cover our whole school. We would own all of the Adobe CS suite applications, we could put them on all of our PCs (where relevant) and it would cost us approx. £9.5k

Hearing that CC was replacing CS7 we received a revised quote to see what the equivalent would be on the new CC system. The quote for CC was £19.5k (!?!)

I have since contacted Adobe support to question this, as it seemed implausible that Adobe would just start charging academic institutions double what they were being charged a month ago. After speaking with several people on Adobe's "support" line I have received no explanation. No clarification. I have no idea where we stand with these products now. The only thing that has been explained to me is that with CC "you get to always have the most recent version of the application"
. [editors comment - if adobe say this one more time I am sending the moon on a collision course into the earth]

poster continues...

"One support lady even quoted me £15k per month to use CC based on our staff numbers. Have Adobe gone literally insane? The world is under a global recession and you are quoted academic institutions with 150 FTEs £15k a month to use your software?!?
From everything I have seen so far, the Creative Cloud is an enormous scam. It is a way for Adobe to halve its costs, yet charge double. There is no benefit to what is now offered for us. There is also no choice.
"

Adobe ladies and gentlemen: some bunch of dudes headbutting the world for cash until they can hear the bone break.

Its good times really this. Widows and orphans next presumably.


how is no media querying their treatment of education and charities? and the incompetence of support? or sales even as cited at the link? (we have to presume the 15K a month was pure random and proof of a company held together with cheap call centre sellotape.)

Still - more broadly - you would have to wonder how adobe think they are going to regain relevance by utterly vilifying themselves and forcing anyone reliant on them into badly managed perpetual subscription.

That seems quite the recipe for shared hell. People, surveys show, will do anything to get out of hell.

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Greg Andonian
Re: meanwhile, adobe continues to merrily gut-punch educators and charities.
on Jun 6, 2013 at 11:14:46 pm

[Aindreas Gallagher] The only thing that has been explained to me is that with CC "you get to always have the most recent version of the application"
. [editors comment - if adobe say this one more time I am sending the moon on a collision course into the earth]


This made me laugh... :)

I do agree though, there's a lot getting glossed over if you just focus on the benefits of Creative Cloud while you're on it. It's what happens when you stop that worries me.

Greg Andonian, a.k.a. Derek

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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: meanwhile, adobe continues to merrily gut-punch educators and charities.
on Jun 7, 2013 at 12:26:56 am

[Greg Andonian] "The only thing that has been explained to me is that with CC "you get to always have the most recent version of the application""


It's like the big lie - adobe have basically picked the biggest, most aggravatingly stupid, available rationale to mask their corporate goal.

Because of course, adobe software has been historically crippled by its inability to deliver fresh, steaming, next day updates -

but... so it was, with a heavy heart, Adobe were, with hesitation, forced to move to this difficult, emotional point of putting their hand in their customers wallets, every month for the foreseeable future.

doubtless there were hand holding group sessions - where adobe adjusted themselves to this difficult truth, that if, under Sarbanes–Oxley, they couldn't hand the egg of update immediately to the customer - well look - adobe simply couldn't take this anymore.

they had to move people.

if you are confused on this point - Aharon Rabinowitz - after an emotional private session with adobe, emerged to write one thousand and sixty two specific words on the horrific difficulty adobe found themselves in relation to Sarbanes–Oxley, (it runs from para 4-16) Aharon clearly describes that they were so hamstrung in their need to give updates - that they, in the end, actually had to kill all perpetual licenses for every customer on earth, to allow a proper flow of updates.

it just wasn't right. Adobe needed to be able to do this, and we need to pay rent to allow this to happen.

or, well, maybe we all just completely cripple Adobe subscription rates and see what happens - every day from june 17th through the end of the year.

we may need to hold hands.



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Rainer Schubert
Re: meanwhile, adobe continues to merrily gut-punch educators and charities.
on Jun 7, 2013 at 1:09:07 am

Can be sure. I will never accept this conditions.
So we are two already.
And I think, there will be many others...


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Ridley Walker
Re: meanwhile, adobe continues to merrily gut-punch educators and charities.
on Jun 7, 2013 at 1:21:37 am

[Rainer Schubert] "So we are two already.
"


Three.


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Greg Andonian
Re: meanwhile, adobe continues to merrily gut-punch educators and charities.
on Jun 7, 2013 at 1:47:05 am

Ridley Walker Three.

Four.


(and the Facebook page already has 27 followers besides me)

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Jim Wiseman
Re: meanwhile, adobe continues to merrily gut-punch educators and charities.
on Jun 7, 2013 at 4:34:57 am

Five. And many out there we can' t count.

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Santiago Martí
Re: meanwhile, adobe continues to merrily gut-punch educators and charities.
on Jun 7, 2013 at 3:35:01 pm

Aindreas, it is not that they can't deliver next day upgrades, they usually have to wait the hole release cycle to deliver them, otherwise they won't have nothing to sell. I hated when i had to wait a hole cycle only for newer RedColor science support. I work mostly with Red originated material, so i had to wait and pay, at the time it was the best native workflow. I think it still is. I will get my CC subscription next week, 50$/month for two licenses it's not a bad deal, at least for a year. Next year will see.

Santiago Martí
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Ricardo Marty
Re: meanwhile, adobe continues to merrily gut-punch educators and charities.
on Jun 7, 2013 at 6:28:51 pm

well if you start your new projects in ccnext you dont have the choice to decide if you will continue next year. you might not be able to access your files if you stop the subscription.


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Santiago Martí
Re: meanwhile, adobe continues to merrily gut-punch educators and charities.
on Jun 7, 2013 at 8:14:38 pm

I know, but i rarely reopen a project once it is finished. I would have to pay a one month Ppro subscription in that case. But I am AfterEffects/Ppro/PS/Ai dependant, and I always update, so CC for me is not terrible.

Santiago Martí
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