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Greg Andonian
I like this Tumblr post a lot :)
on Jun 4, 2013 at 1:01:43 am

I noticed Aindreas posted a link in his signature that goes to a Tumblr post, which I'm assuming he put up there, that suggests that everyone who is not on Creative Cloud should wait until 2014 if they can before giving any thought to subscribing to it at all:

http://www.adobe2014.tumblr.com

This way, the actual number of cloud subscribers will look really bad compared to the projections Adobe gave to their shareholders:



"Adobe might miss the subscriber forecast anyway - but if they do so, badly, in the context of a deliberate, visible campaign *waged by their own customers* - that is a PR nightmare for the ages. Adobe might try to withhold the number, but if they do so in the face of a broadly public boycott - it is going to look really weird. Shareholders do not like weird."

I really like this idea of boycotting the cloud throughout 2013, and I plan to follow this advice. I had thought about buying a three-month subscription on Amazon just to try things out, but after reading this I've changed my mind. I'll download the trials but that's it. I'm still on CS5 and holding up just fine, and there's still CS6 that I can move up to. No cloud for me until next year. :P

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David Lawrence
Re: I like this Tumblr post a lot :)
on Jun 4, 2013 at 3:34:45 am

[Greg Andonian] "I really like this idea of boycotting the cloud throughout 2013, and I plan to follow this advice. I had thought about buying a three-month subscription on Amazon just to try things out, but after reading this I've changed my mind. "

Yep, me too. I was planning on doing a one-year subscription at the discounted price but I like this idea much better. I'll give the free trial a spin just to see how I like it, then unless Adobe changes their tune, will go back CS6 thru 2014 or longer.

And I'll be telling everyone I know to do the same. :)

#adobe2014

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Chris Pettit
Re: I like this Tumblr post a lot :)
on Jun 4, 2013 at 4:17:28 am

I wasn't planning to jump anyway because I have so many concerns. But I agree that a boycott is a great idea, get's the message across well. I'm going to do what I can to spread the word.


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Jim Wiseman
Re: I like this Tumblr post a lot :)
on Jun 4, 2013 at 5:13:16 am

@ Chris and others:

Suggest you include this link. Excellent post.

http://www.adobe2014.tumblr.com

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Ricardo Marty
Re: I like this Tumblr post a lot :)
on Jun 4, 2013 at 12:54:15 pm

Ireally wanted the former cs7 and was almost ready to do the one year sunscription but then I realized why? I have a couple of 2 hour projects and will never even consider using the cc because then i would need to continue the subscription. I will hold out forever if necesary.

Ricardo


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Dave LaRonde
It's the birth throes of a Boycott against Adobe!
on Jun 4, 2013 at 2:06:04 pm

I just thought it would be appropriate to put the theme of this particular thread into the message subject. Hope that's okay with everyone.

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Rainer Schubert
Re: I like this Tumblr post a lot :)
on Jun 4, 2013 at 2:07:04 pm

so we are two
- - - - - -
CC = Cash Cow = Terminating the word "Archive" in the digital future = Lifelong dependency = NoGo = Never


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Dave LaRonde
It's the birth throes of a Boycott against Adobe!
on Jun 4, 2013 at 2:24:05 pm

[Ricardo Marty] "I really wanted the former cs7 and was almost ready to do the one year sunscription but then I realized why? I have a couple of 2 hour projects and will never even consider using the cc because then i would need to continue the subscription..."

I see the word "wanted" instead of "needed" in the quote above. You apparently believe that perpetual access to your work is far more important than vaguely-described future features promised for the future under a subscription.

I have a feeling that if enough people follow your example of refusing to subscribe, Adobe will change its tune.

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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: I like this Tumblr post a lot :)
on Jun 4, 2013 at 12:54:40 pm

Hey, I like, you know, totally have no idea who wrote that thing - I can barely post a comment online, let alone make tumblr websites - the site does seem to talk about a lot of the stuff discussed on here tho.

makes sense like.

Still - it'd be a christmas miracle timmy, if we got any kind of substantive shift out of adobe. One hilarious thing I read was that the Adobe CEO Shantanyu Narayen actually sold up half of all his adobe stock in april, there's a website that publicly lists those kind of company trades - so he sold right at the top of the market - netted himself around ten million dollars. So he's pretty cashed out there.

And on the adobe forums Mike Chambers was really, really explicit:
So, let me be really clear. Terrachild, I understand that you want us to sell our future creative software as a perpetual licenses. I get that. Adobe gets that. But we have also decided that we are going to go in another direction and focus on Creative Cloud, and an offering that extends beyond just desktop applications. At the end of the day, we know that means we may lose you as a customer

Adobe are probably quite seriously prepared to lose a lot of blood here. They are gone all in to get a captive subscriber base. God help who ends up in the net a few years out - because the smaller the pool, the harder adobe are going to have to work them for cash. All adobe have left to do now, as a company, is continuously hit up whoever they clawed into subscription for money.
And then more money.

They're quite clearly, in the language, willing to lose pretty much a large segment who won't, as they say "come along for the journey" and the pricing is never going to be cheaper than that $49, so its hard to see them conceivably growing the subscriber base radically over time - and if the base is a steady state subscriber base, with a high degree of churn, then the only physical way for adobe to increase profits is to increase subscription rates continuously over time.
I would be incredibly surprised if it wasn't at $69.95 or $74.95 a month inside four years - maybe five. First increment at year three.

You would have to feel that one way or another this is going to turn into a complete nightmare for everyone involved over time. People are going to grow to truly, truly hate Adobe.

They're gone mad here, Adobe are, or they're just gone to the dogs - I honestly can't figure which.

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Dave LaRonde
Re: I like this Tumblr post a lot :)
on Jun 4, 2013 at 3:03:22 pm

[Aindreas Gallagher] "...Adobe CEO Shantanyu Narayen actually sold up half of all his adobe stock in april, there's a website that publicly lists those kind of company trades - so he sold right at the top of the market - netted himself around ten million dollars..."

You're in Ireland, Aindreas, right?
Well, here in the States there is a crime known as "insider trading" -- as an officer of a publicly-traded company, if you use your secret knowledge of future company actions for personal financial gain or to avoid personal financial loss, you've broken the law.

Depending on the details of the specific actions you say Mr. Narayen took, the gent may have done something very unwise indeed.

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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: I like this Tumblr post a lot :)
on Jun 4, 2013 at 3:15:28 pm

nah- its fully on the record like - you can vest options at a time of your choosing really can't you?

http://www.insidermonkey.com/insider-trading/insider/narayen-shantanu/12241...

according to the dude on the adobe forum - the lastest one there in april represents half of his shares. Although I can't make sense of the numbers.

It looks like he's been steadily selling off stock in tranches - its just funny he dumped such a large amount a month before the launch of CC. he may simply have felt that realistically, the stock was at a five year high. still tho... the optics aren't fabulous like.


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Ricardo Marty
Re: I like this Tumblr post a lot :)
on Jun 4, 2013 at 4:41:17 pm

Is this selling kind of like "insider trading"

Ricado


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Kris Merkel
Re: I like this Tumblr post a lot :)
on Jun 4, 2013 at 3:38:28 pm

Let me get this straight because I cannot seem to wrap my head around the logic of this thread.

You want to use the companies suite or software so bad, on your terms, that you are willing to intentionally cripple said company to the point where they can meet your terms but deliver a product that is inferior.

In the real world, let's say this "Boycott" is successful, you then are able to purchase software from said company that is close to going out of business from said boycott and will not be able to develop, innovate, or support said software. How in any terms does that make sense?

If you do boycott it is your choice and you are free to do so and thank goodness you have many many choices for post software available to you. And boycotting on principal against something you don't believe in is commendable, but Boycotting in spite is not.

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Dave LaRonde
Re: I like this Tumblr post a lot :)
on Jun 4, 2013 at 3:49:22 pm

[Kris Merkel] "....you are willing to intentionally cripple said company to the point where they can meet your terms but deliver a product that is inferior."

And how, pray tell, is the work inherently inferior?
Because it doesn't utilize the features included in a future version?
Why would it be mandatory to use the most recent versions in order for one's work to be considered as superior?
Does every creative project absolutely need to use new features?
Is the work you've done in the recent past on older versions automatically inferior because it wasn't done on a newer version?
Sorry, pal, but your assumption just doesn't hold water.



[Kris Merkel] "...let's say this "Boycott" is successful, you then are able to purchase software from said company that is close to going out of business from said boycott and will not be able to develop, innovate, or support said software. How in any terms does that make sense?"

I suppose it all depends on how quickly said company realizes the financial implications of its actions and changes them.

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Kris Merkel
Re: I like this Tumblr post a lot :)
on Jun 4, 2013 at 4:53:08 pm

[Dave LaRonde] "Is the work you've done in the recent past on older versions automatically inferior because it wasn't done on a newer version?"

You misunderstood my meaning. I wasn't referring to the creative work done by the end user, that of course is dependent on the skills of the user. I was referring to the developers as the "the company"

I understand both sides of the argument and have no issue one way or the other because it has very little impact on my own situation. But what I can't make sense of is the vehement anger over what Adobe has done and I was using an example when saying "crippled" that is as extreem as other posters have been saying will happen to their own situations. In hopes that someone may see the absurdity of inflicting abuse because they themselves feel that they have been abused when all Adobe has done was create a new model for paying for the software. And in that light there are far more greater atrocities in this world that deserve attention and would be far more appropriate and deserving of a boycot than the pricing model of a software manufacture.

Just my humble opinion.

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Dave LaRonde
More on a potential boycott
on Jun 4, 2013 at 6:04:08 pm

[Kris Merkel] "...there are far more greater atrocities in this world that deserve attention and would be far more appropriate and deserving of a boycot than the pricing model of a software manufacturer...."

Here's are fairly obvious example of a boycott: the accidental presence of genetically-modified wheat in Oregon. The European Union boycotts all American wheat. You might not think it's Earth-shaking, but the Europeans don't like it. They seem to want to stop it before it spreads. They're consumers of American wheat, and they can do what they want.

Apparently, many Adobe users don't like the new CC model and they want to stop it before it gets going, because they see their access to future creative work in jeopardy. They're consumers of Adobe products, and they can do what they want.

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David Lawrence
Re: More on a potential boycott
on Jun 4, 2013 at 6:27:56 pm

[Dave LaRonde] "Here's are fairly obvious example of a boycott: the accidental presence of genetically-modified wheat in Oregon. The European Union boycotts all American wheat. You might not think it's Earth-shaking, but the Europeans don't like it. They seem to want to stop it before it spreads. They're consumers of American wheat, and they can do what they want."

Excellent example, Dave. Due to overwhelming rejection from the people in the EU, Monsanto was forced to abandon its plans for GMO crops. See:

http://truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/item/18002-protests-force-monsant...

Boycotts work. Let's send Adobe a message.

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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: More on a potential boycott
on Jun 4, 2013 at 6:40:42 pm

exactly - at its root a boycott is a form of very direct communication - its admirably clear.

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Tom Daigon
Re: More on a potential boycott
on Jun 4, 2013 at 6:52:04 pm

[David Lawrence] "Boycotts work. Let's send Adobe a message."

Count me in. Been actively doing this since NAB by spreading the word so other folks can join in. A great use of Twitter. :D

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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: I like this Tumblr post a lot :)
on Jun 4, 2013 at 6:35:57 pm

er, who said crippled? Anywhere? on either side? - to be fair Kris that is kind of coming entirely from you?

[Kris Merkel] "the absurdity of inflicting abuse"
wait - what is going on? All that was proposed was seeing if it could be done to not have the subscriptions line up with adobe's investor forecast - and it was proposed in the context of a specific goal.

Putting weirdly maudlin notions of hurt, pain, cripplement and abandonment into people's mouths - that's all your own work there kris. It's kind of weird.
Did you have chance to discuss any of this with Al Mooney when you guys were hosting him in Atlanta? He seems an utterly decent bloke.

[Kris Merkel] " are far more greater atrocities in this world that deserve attention"

Again - the suffer the children stuff is getting pretty ludicrously over cooked here?

BTW - I hear you guys make totally superb gear. doff cap.

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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: I like this Tumblr post a lot :)
on Jun 4, 2013 at 4:16:39 pm

well, people are rolling the word around on their tongue I guess - and it would be for a reason. To get a better deal out of adobe. And spare me the "crippled" line. their turnover was in excess of four billion dollars last year.

[Kris Merkel] "that is close to going out of business from said boycott"
oh please - come on - give me a break. It's a boycott - if it ever got off the ground - to shift their position, as it is put in the article at the link. there are some fairly clear goals outlined.

Seriously - doing a "but what about the children??!!??" in relation adobe corporate - no. I'm sorry. Credulity meltdown on that one.

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Herb Sevush
Re: I like this Tumblr post a lot :)
on Jun 4, 2013 at 5:00:53 pm

[Kris Merkel] "You want to use the companies suite or software so bad, on your terms, that you are willing to intentionally cripple said company to the point where they can meet your terms but deliver a product that is inferior."

Let's look at some of your assumptions.

A boycott does not need to "cripple" a company to succeed. If the shareholders see a 2% drop in earnings it could force a change in direction, yet that loss would not cripple anything. A boycott only need convince shareholders that a change in direction is in their own interest. Nobody is trying to, or is it conceivable that they have the power to, seriously damage Adobe as a company.

And where does it say that allowing perpetual licenses will force Adobe to deliver an inferior product. No one is arguing for an end to the CC, merely that there be some sort of perpetual option - this option could be in terms of a buyout after years of subscription, or the availability of perpetual licensing that would lag behind the Cloud, in effect taking last years Cloud offering and selling it as this years perpetual license. I fail to see where any of these options would cause Adobe to be make an inferior product.

Somehow you've equated "boycott" with "annihilation", and change in distribution pattern with an end to innovation. They're not equivalent.

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Kris Merkel
Re: I like this Tumblr post a lot :)
on Jun 4, 2013 at 5:11:37 pm

[Herb Sevush] "Somehow you've equated "boycott" with "annihilation", and change in distribution pattern with an end to innovation. They're not equivalent."

Yes I did and I am glad you noticed. Absurd isn't it. The tumbler author ends his post by clearly defining his goals by using the word "Strangle" What is the outcome of strangling?

"Think of everything in terms of building capacity."

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Herb Sevush
Re: I like this Tumblr post a lot :)
on Jun 4, 2013 at 6:07:32 pm

[Kris Merkel] "Yes I did and I am glad you noticed. Absurd isn't it. The tumbler author ends his post by clearly defining his goals by using the word "Strangle" What is the outcome of strangling?
"


Oh, I see, it's the fight stupidity with stupidity argument; congratulations.

In either event, the boycott idea is quite reasonable, if quite improbable. Adobe has already written off most of these customers, targeting a smaller market segment willing to pay higher rates.

It seems nobody wants these editors, not Adobe, not Apple - wait is there still time to bring back Media 100?

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Kris Merkel
Re: I like this Tumblr post a lot :)
on Jun 4, 2013 at 6:14:11 pm

[Herb Sevush] "It seems nobody wants these editors, not Adobe, not Apple - wait is there still time to bring back Media 100"

Media100 has never gone away and is a perfectly good solution for some editors. You can even try it out for free.

http://www.borisfx.com/media100/

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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: I like this Tumblr post a lot :)
on Jun 4, 2013 at 6:38:08 pm

[Herb Sevush] "In either event, the boycott idea is quite reasonable, if quite improbable."

The improbability drive is listing a seriously high number on it alright.

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Jim Wiseman
Re: I like this Tumblr post a lot :)
on Jun 4, 2013 at 7:39:14 pm

[Herb Sevush] "It seems nobody wants these editors, not Adobe, not Apple - wait is there still time to bring back Media 100?
"

Correction
It will not go to a version 3 from the current version 2.1.3. No work being done as of now. From my rep at Media 100, updates for compatibility are possible. Still being sold.

I was their dealer in Hawaii for the whole time before it was with Boris. They have sold direct since then.

I still use it, and have it working fine on 10.8.3 (only tested by them to 10.8.2) with 10.4..4 AJA drivers on my LHi, Mac Pro 2010 Hexacore 3.33. Great stable software on the Mac. Hope they continue to keep it compatible, then I will continue to use it.

And it works perfectly without rental payment, though with the coming of 10.9, there may be a gap. Will certainly keep boot drives and a machine for it as I have used M100 since the first version.

All in for the boycott.

Spread these please:
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Greg Andonian
Re: I like this Tumblr post a lot :)
on Jun 4, 2013 at 6:39:55 pm

[Kris Merkel] The tumbler author ends his post by clearly defining his goals by using the word "Strangle" What is the outcome of strangling?

The author isn't suggesting that Adobe as a company should be strangled and crippled- only that we help make sure Adobe falls short of their cloud subscriber predictions for the end of the year. Adobe told their shareholders that they expect to have 1.2 million cloud subscribers by the end of 2013. If they were to fall short of that number by a wide margin, Adobe as a company would still go on just fine- but the actual numbers for 2013 would look bad compared to earlier predictions and their shareholders wouldn't like it, so they would be forced to re-think the cloud-only decision a little.

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Rainer Schubert
Re: I like this Tumblr post a lot :)
on Jun 4, 2013 at 5:49:38 pm

There where also companies, gone down by wrong decisions, bought by others for $1 and brought to a new highlight in the market.
Boykott isn´t as worse as you see that.
(Wouldn´t you boykott a company which is selling bad (may be contaminated bananas like - I think - Chicita once) food - even if you like food?)


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David Lawrence
Re: I like this Tumblr post a lot :)
on Jun 4, 2013 at 11:41:09 pm

[Aindreas Gallagher] "Adobe are probably quite seriously prepared to lose a lot of blood here. They are gone all in to get a captive subscriber base. God help who ends up in the net a few years out - because the smaller the pool, the harder adobe are going to have to work them for cash."

That really seems to be the case here, doesn't it?

Our job is to help Adobe understand that they've badly misunderstood how much they're about to lose.

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Chris Pettit
Re: I like this Tumblr post a lot :)
on Jun 5, 2013 at 2:47:31 am

Yep, that's the whole story in a nutshell.

If Adobe is right and they can afford to loose us as customers and still prosper, than we've all just wasted weeks of our time venting and trying to get the word out regarding a company that has no intention of changing course anyway.

But if they DID miscalculate, it seems to me they aren't going to admit it and make adjustments to policy prior to the June release, why should they? My guess (and it IS a guess) is they're waiting to see what subscription volume is before they decide what to do about the 30,000 of us who are pissed. Ignore us or back up a little? We shall see.

That's why a public boycott matters. If it's successful, even if just symbolically (bad PR), it will bring pressure to bear, and perhaps affect their calculations, particularly regarding the very important issue of perpetual access to work.

Bad PR is bad PR. Companies care about it. Even big ones that can't be "crippled" by a boycott. (how absurd)


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Ricardo Marty
Re: I like this Tumblr post a lot :)
on Jun 5, 2013 at 6:50:06 pm

No we have not. They might be prepeared to loose customers but they expect to have 1.2 million subscribers by december and 4 million by 2016. And thats the target. So if they dont make it what do you think will happen?

Of course they will do everthing posible to hit their numbers and if they dont we all going to see some heavy marketing from value added stuf, reduced pricing and maybe even some form of loyalty program. There livly hood not to mention there jobs all depends om them hitting there targets.

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Chris Pettit
Re: I like this Tumblr post a lot :)
on Jun 5, 2013 at 6:56:21 pm

yeah, I think we're saying the same thing.

Put another way, can they loose all the people out there unhappy about mandatory CC and still reach 1.2 Mil?

I hope not and think not, but we wont know until then


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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: I like this Tumblr post a lot :)
on Jun 5, 2013 at 7:13:37 pm

that would be the hope. they need quite a high, consistent weekly subscription rate to hit it, starting june 17th.

as long as there is lots and lots and lots of negative commentary, FUD and customer apprehension, you'd have to think its possible to knock the cart over a bit.

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