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Robert Monaco
Storage Solution for Video Production Business - NAS?
on Mar 7, 2019 at 5:14:42 am

We are a team of creatives looking to solve our growing storage issues as I’m sure most businesses discover.
The majority of our work is video and now more often than not we filming in 4K.

On average a job/project will consume roughly 200GB in its entirety which includes the raw footage, proxies, revision exports, music, project files & final version outputs.

We are mainly using Adobe Creative Cloud (Premiere Pro CC) for our video editing. With that said, we also working with DaVinci Resolve.

From a storage perspective, we have two main 5.1 Mac Pro edit machines with M2 boot drives, a secondary SSD, and 2 x 4TB drives in Raid 0 Configuration.

In addition we have a Business Dropbox account where we keep our working files and final outputs shared to clients.

Our office is a complete Mac environment.


What are we hoping to achieve?

We are thinking of getting an 8-bay NAS (either Synology or QNAP - what are the main differences?).

We’re wanting to come back from a shoot and backup our footage from SD cards straight onto our NAS.

Our understanding is that this will enable us to work of any local machine to access our files and in theory work directly off the NAS. Is this possible? Are there speed limitations?

Does anyone have recommendations in this space? We think it’s better to get an 8-bay NAS over a smaller one to avoid the need to upgrade again in the immediate future.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!


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Bob Zelin
Re: Storage Solution for Video Production Business - NAS?
on Mar 7, 2019 at 1:23:13 pm

QNAP TVS-872XT-16 G 8 bay NAS with one built in 10G port - $1899

eight Seagate Ironwolf 4TB 7200 RPM SATA drives - this will be 24 TB total storage after RAID 6 - $175 each or $1400 total (of course, you can get bigger drives - 6, 8, 10, 12, 14 TB each drive)

QNAP 8 port 10G switch - $589

for your 5,1 Mac Pro's - install Sonnet Presto 10G NIC card - $276 each or $552 total

1899
1400
589
552
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$4440 total price.

Can you do it with Synology - of course.
You still need the 10G cards, you still need a 10G switch (and you still need drives !).

Bob Zelin

Bob Zelin
Rescue 1, Inc.
bobzelin@icloud.com


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Robert Monaco
Re: Storage Solution for Video Production Business - NAS?
on Mar 8, 2019 at 12:32:40 am

Hi Bob,

Thanks for the reply.

We have office cabled using CAT6 which was great foresight. But definitely need to upgrade our switch and also MacPros to achieve 10GbE.

What are your thoughts on having a NVME drive as the "current" working drive housed in the NAS? i.e Let either MacPro on the network work on the current project. Once it's finished, archive the project onto the RAID?

Without discounting potential future acquisitions of machines capable of much greater than 10Gbs speeds do you still think it's a good solution?

Regards


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Bob Zelin
Re: Storage Solution for Video Production Business - NAS?
on Mar 8, 2019 at 1:27:42 pm

We have office cabled using CAT6 which was great foresight. But definitely need to upgrade our switch and also MacPros to achieve 10GbE.

REPLY - You simply purchase a 10G switch. They are cheap (QNAP, Buffalo, Netgear)
Your MacPro's can achieve 10G right now.
For a 2013 Mac Pro 6,1 Cylinder, you purchase a Sonnet Twin 10G or Promise SanLink2 thunderbolt 2 to 10G adaptor. For a 2010 - 2012 Mac Pro, you purchase a Sonnet Presto 10Gbase-T card (about $275). You don't need to upgrade to get 10G.

What are your thoughts on having a NVME drive as the "current" working drive housed in the NAS? i.e Let either MacPro on the network work on the current project. Once it's finished, archive the project onto the RAID?

REPLY - NVME's are too small. When it comes time to purchase, you will probably purchase 10TB or 12TB drives - and eight of those. You will still have enough bandwidth to have everyone edit in 4K.


Without discounting potential future acquisitions of machines capable of much greater than 10Gbs speeds do you still think it's a good solution?

REPLY - is it a good solution ? YES. You are not going to do 40G Ethernet on this "in the future" because SATA drives are too slow. A single 40G connection will saturate the entire bandwidth of the unit. This is not a limitation of the QNAP - it's a limitation of the Seagate and/or Western Digital 7200 RPM SATA drives. Even a 16 bay will only give you a total aggregate bandwidth of 1800 MB/sec. To achieve the speeds for 40G, you need all SSD's.
I am unaware of any company making an all NVME RAID enclosure. They are just for caching at the moment.
Perhaps we will see this at NAB in April.

Bob Zelin

Bob Zelin
Rescue 1, Inc.
bobzelin@icloud.com


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Steve Grappone
Re: Storage Solution for Video Production Business - NAS?
on Mar 14, 2019 at 1:56:12 am

Check out creative.space breathless, 576TB of NVMe in 1 RU. 10 Million IOPS crazy fast!


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Bob Zelin
Re: Storage Solution for Video Production Business - NAS?
on Mar 14, 2019 at 12:19:01 pm

https://creative.space/products/breathless

16 TB "starting at" $2495 per month. Wow - what a deal.

If money is not an issue, this system has a proven track record with countless feature films behind them -
https://opendrives.com/

https://opendrives.com/products/apex/

Bob Zelin

Bob Zelin
Rescue 1, Inc.
bobzelin@icloud.com


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Steve Grappone
Re: Storage Solution for Video Production Business - NAS?
on Mar 14, 2019 at 4:43:29 pm

Hi Bob,

You mentioned that nobody makes a system with NVMe that you knew of, so I figured I'd point you to the creative.space system that is full NVMe, also the DeusEX has NVMe too, the top 4 drives in the 24 bay system can also be used with NVMe (U.2) drives.

In fact, Local Hero Post in Santa Monica threw out their open drives system due to performance issues.

http://www.digitalglue.com/case-study-creative-space-drives-local-hero-post...


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Bob Zelin
Re: Storage Solution for Video Production Business - NAS?
on Mar 14, 2019 at 8:31:08 pm

Wow -
because I don't have access to clients that can afford these systems - well, I am quite shocked that the OpenDrives system was not FAST ENOUGH - but they are all SSD, and if Creative Space is all NVMe - (and you can afford it) - then wow, that's amazing.

Bob Zelin

Bob Zelin
Rescue 1, Inc.
bobzelin@icloud.com


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