Synology / Qnap and similar
Hi all, thanks to all for the great resource the cow is. Have been lurking for a while ......months of great reading!
Anyway, I've started working for a new/ small production company with in house post facilities here in Australia. They have started small but are growing quickly. Until now they have made do with two edit suites and editited off external USB3 drives but they are in the process of installing a third suite and I have suggested they look at some shared storage . They run Adobe Premiere on PC and predominantly edit DSLR footage (all short form) without transcoding but very occasionally do the odd job on Red or Alexa.
I know that ultimately it is suggested here to night the bullet and go for a SmallTree or similar system but the budget doesn't really stretch that far just yet.
I have been looking at the Synology NAS solutions, mainly the DS2015XS with built in 10Gbe ports or the 3615xs with a Synology 10Gbe card.
I'd like to run 10Gbe from the NAS to a NETGEAR GSM7228S switch and then 1Gbe out to each suite as well as to two office imacs that producers sometimes use logging or laying down a basic premiere timeline. I figure this option would also give us the scope to add 10Gbe cards to the suites in future for faster connections when needed. Another option is to install an Intel i350T2 dual port Gigabit card into each ofbthe three suites to provide 2Gbe connections via link aggregation.
So, I know from reading the old posts on this forum that it is recommended to go for a solution like small tree but this is out of our budget.
My question is, have the Synology Systems gotten better for video editing and if not, why aren't they recomended?
What does Small Tree do that Synology cant?
My background is predominantly in live tv as an EVS / editor so not an IT specialist at all. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
you are posting on the SAN forum as well.
either the Synology or QNAP solution will work , as long as you have a 10G card, and a 10g uplink port on your switch. You have picked the wrong switch.
It is obvious to me that you are unfamiliar with all of these products. Small Tree is a wonderful company, and so are all the other shared storage systems that you see on Creative Cow. And guess what, Synology, and QNAP can be wonderful too, if they are configured correctly with the switch.
So exactly what is your goal here - to avoid paying a dealer or local engineer to help you get everything setup ? Because the #1 difference between ANY company is SUPPORT. Do you know how to do this stuff ? Do you think that any of this stuff (Small Tree, QNAP, Synology, and all the others) just plugs in ? Do you think that there is a "quick start guide" that says "just plug in your computer and you will instantly have shared storage".
All these systems work, and while Small tree is incredibly wonderful (and so are other companies that you see here on Creative Cow) - your small installation will work fine with both the QNAP or the Synology, but if will NOT work fine if you don't HIRE SOMEONE that knows what the hell they are doing.
It's like saying "well, I dont' know how to edit with Adobe Premiere, but if I buy it, and I read the manual, I can be a great editor by next week" - sorry this doesn't happen. Same with cameras, and same with the storage arrays, that you are looking at.
Everything you mentioned works just fine if it's set up correctly.
And that person won't be you.
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Yep, I've read it all before Bob. SmallTree are great, support is wonderful...... etc etc. And they are, but when things stop working, I like to be able to fix them myself straight away if possible rather than rely on a 3rd party support tech to fit me in when they can. If I don't give it a go myself, what will I learn then Bob?
I have a few IT guys I can call if need be.....thanks for your concern.
The Switch i listed was a cut and paste error on my part and I've now abandoned that idea anyway and we are going 10Gbe all the way.
And yes, I posted here first.....noticed that this NAS forum didn't get much love, spotted the QNAP NAS/SAN and thought I'd post in the SAN forum as it seems more active.
I'll let you know how the install goes. I have a little IT knowledge and i'm not expecting to just plug everything in and it work on its own (and there may be a little hair pulling involved)......... but that person WILL be me Bob.
in case you have not tried it, the TVS-871T rocks !
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Due to my company getting extremely busy extremely quickly and the TVS871T not being available here in Australia at the time, we went with the TVS-EC880.
Also, due to lack of availability of the Netgear xs712 we have connected 6 editors to the NAS just via Gigabit for now. We used the 4 1Gbe ports on the NAS in aggregation to a 1gbe switch and hung six edit suites of it. It's all working really well!
So, I'm assuming you have tried the simultaneous 10GBE and Thunderbolt access and liking it's performance?
Care to elaborate on what rocks most about the 871T?
Do you know how to use the internet ?
These are the people that sell the QNAP TVS-871T in Australia -
you could have also hired MIT Services in Australia, and they would have helped you put this together.
The TVS-EC880 has the capability of using the LAN-10G2T-D card, so you could have gone into a 10G port on a 10G uplink switch from Netgear, but you chose not to do this, for whatever insane reason, and decided to do LACP instead, with crappier performance. Why - I have no idea why. Maybe you should have hired MIT Services.
The 871T is a very cost effective unit, that comes standard with the 10G card I mentioned above (dual port), and uses the Tbolt 2 ports for expansion to another 8 bay chassis. The Chassis that you have can expand using the SAS-6G2E-D card. There is nothing wrong with SAS expansion - most manufacturers (including QNAP) do this most of the time.
here is a list of on line stores in Australia that could have gotten the XS712T switch for you (or anything else from Netgear) -
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Yes bob, I know how to use the internet.
Have you lived in Australia?!
If you had, you would realise that when you look at Australian sellers online, they often state that they have items in stock when infact if you ring them, they do not have them in stock. When I was putting together my NAS (which is working extremely well with 6 suites and 4 production computers hanging off it despite you saying I was bound for troube) there was no 817T's in Australia let alone anyone with any experience in using one.
Thanks for pointing out the differences between the 817T and EC880 but I'm across how they differ. I was more interested in why you love the 817T so much, your personal experience rather than the technical differences.
My plan was to buy the 10Gbe NIC card for the EC880 and run 10Gbe into a 10Gbe switch (and I will still do this) but as the system needed to be installed within a week, that was not possible as the NIC cards and Switch were not readily available in time. So, we decided to temporarily use 1Gbe to each suite and aggregating the 4x1Gbe ports on the NAS giving us 4Gbe into the switch. This has worked extremely well. I have also spoken to some of the Guru's at Videocraft Australia who have put together very large scale SAN's and networks and they advised me they use 1Gbe exclusively for Edit suites. While the 817T looked great, we don't use thunderbolt so not missing that feature.