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josef brett
Getting the 'ARRI' look (xpost from colour grading)
on Apr 22, 2016 at 8:57:09 am

Hi all

I've been trying to get the kind of look used in tv shows such as HBO's 'Girls' and Netflix's 'Flaked' for the past few months and I'm struggling. I'm not sure if i have the right kit if I'm honest, so it might be a lost cause, but here goes.

I have a Sony FS7, DaVinci Resolve as well as the Adobe Creative Cloud suite. I've got a couple of decent Canon lenses (24-70mm, 100mm Macro and a couple of cheaper primes). I also have a Black Magic Cinema Camera. All the cameras shoot LOG and I have tried various preset configs of log on the Sony. How do i go about getting that milky (but still with contrast), pastel coloured, soft but still sharp look? I'm assuming it's a mixture of camera set-up, lens choice, lighting and post, but I really don't know.

It's the colours that particularly 'get' me about these productions - all the tones are muted, but not de-saturated, just pastel and soft.

For reference, here is the trailer for Girls -




and here is a clip from Flaked -





Any help will be greatly welcomed and appreciated!


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Chris Wright
Re: Getting the 'ARRI' look (xpost from colour grading)
on Apr 23, 2016 at 1:02:24 am

i don't want to get stuck on any one NLE, so..
the first clip is mostly just low contrast, no -s curve. shot with sharpen off or find edges blurred to remove any edges.
darks raised to 20 ire, highlights lowered to 80 ire.


the bottom is a little more contrast. and both top and bottom clips have the matte tint reds as pink and tint shadows/or everything else as blue/green. this makes skin not look sickly in digital cameras and helps isolate actors from frame.


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josef brett
Re: Getting the 'ARRI' look (xpost from colour grading)
on Apr 24, 2016 at 2:08:44 pm

Hi Chris

Thanks for your reply. It's really useful to know. Would you please mind explaining a little more about what you mean when you said "matte tint reds as pink and tint shadows".

Many thanks



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Chris Wright
Re: Getting the 'ARRI' look (xpost from colour grading)
on Apr 24, 2016 at 3:41:42 pm

if there's any red in the pixel, its given a weighted matte. more red equals less translucency on the matte.
inverted matte of that is everything that isn't skin tone red, is tinted blue/green.


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josef brett
Re: Getting the 'ARRI' look (xpost from colour grading)
on Apr 25, 2016 at 10:42:34 am

Ok, thanks. I'm not sure I get it, but that's my issue - I'll work it out.

It's great to know what the principals of the footage are tho. Cheers.



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Chris Wright
Re: Getting the 'ARRI' look (xpost from colour grading)
on Apr 26, 2016 at 2:49:55 am

if you need some clues, here's a template I made a while back in after effects
enable the layer-tint red matte highlight and shadows
https://f1.creativecow.net/9780/ae-technicolor-cc-2015


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josef brett
Re: Getting the 'ARRI' look (xpost from colour grading)
on Apr 26, 2016 at 10:24:01 am

Hi Chris - that's great thanks. I'll have a good look at that. it looks interesting and very well put together. Thanks.



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Shawn Miller
Re: Getting the 'ARRI' look (xpost from colour grading)
on Apr 25, 2016 at 7:51:08 pm

[josef brett] " I'm assuming it's a mixture of camera set-up, lens choice, lighting and post, but I really don't know."

You're right, a big part of that look comes from the lighting. Powerful lights bounced off of bead board (or whatever) into a few levels of diffusion (silk, tough spun, etc) gives you that creamy light quality that makes skin look nice. Same with outdoor shots, strong sunlight bounced off of a reflector into silk can really bring your subject to life. What do you normally use for lighting?

Shawn



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josef brett
Re: Getting the 'ARRI' look (xpost from colour grading)
on Apr 26, 2016 at 10:27:11 am

Hi Shawn. Yeah, I thought lights would would be a big part of it. We don't have great lights. We have LED light panels (2 of these and 3 spotlight versions - http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1012483-REG/litepanels_903_1063_1_x_1....

We don't really have anything to diffuse the lights. We have reflectors, but the light then doesn't go through anything.

What kind of lights and diffusion do you use/recommend please?



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Shawn Miller
Re: Getting the 'ARRI' look (xpost from colour grading)
on Apr 26, 2016 at 8:42:14 pm

[josef brett] "Hi Shawn. Yeah, I thought lights would would be a big part of it. We don't have great lights. We have LED light panels (2 of these and 3 spotlight versions - http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1012483-REG/litepanels_903_1063_1_x_1.....

We don't really have anything to diffuse the lights. We have reflectors, but the light then doesn't go through anything.

What kind of lights and diffusion do you use/recommend please?"


Hey Josef, I think the best and cheapest thing to start with is a bounce and diffusion kit. They're pretty inexpensive and extremely useful in a wide variety of situations, especially if you're only using natural light. I'm also a fan of filter and diffusion gel kits.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/Collapsible-Reflectors/ci/1327/N/40620404...

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?atclk=Type_Color+Effects+Kits&ci=1329&...

I mostly use florescent lights for corporate work. But for everything else, I prefer tungsten fresnels. They provide the punch you need to blast through diffusion, and the power to bounce off of ceilings, walls and reflectors. The downside is that they generate lots of heat, and they can consume lots of power. My advice is to start small and do simple things; go outside and see what bounce and diffusion looks like on your subject, bounce the light from your led panel off of a white wall on to someone's face... experiment... a lot. :-) There a ton of videos on the subject, some of them are actually pretty good.

http://www.thehurlblog.com/film-education-online-how-to-use-indirect-bounce...







I prefer lights from Arri and Mole Richardson now, but I started out (15 years ago) with a cheap set of Lowell Pro lights and Omni lights. I still have them, and on occasion, still find them useful. Good lights will outlast almost everything in your kit... except for good lenses


http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/285941-REG/Lowel_P2_101_Pro_Light_Foc...

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/260848-REG/Lowel_Omni_light_Pro_light...

Lastly, read Matters of Light and Depth, Painting with Light and The Five C's of Cinematography... you should also do yourself a huge favor and get a subscription to American Cinematographer. Lot's of great knowledge to be had for almost nothing. :-)

http://www.amazon.com/Matters-Light-Depth-Ross-Lowell/dp/0966250400/ref=sr_...

http://www.amazon.com/Five-Cs-Cinematography-Picture-Techniques/dp/18795054...

http://www.amazon.com/Painting-Light-John-Alton/dp/0520275845/ref=pd_sim_14...

http://store.ascmag.com/category-s/290.htm

Shawn



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josef brett
Re: Getting the 'ARRI' look (xpost from colour grading)
on Apr 27, 2016 at 3:22:00 pm

Hi Shawn

Thank you so much for all your tips and advice. I will try and convince my boss to invest in a subscription to American Cinematographers at the very least.

I know a colleague has some different lights to us, so may go and have a go with his and ours to see what happens!

Many thanks again

Joe



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Marc Wielage
Re: Getting the 'ARRI' look (xpost from colour grading)
on Apr 26, 2016 at 9:00:50 am

They may also be using a bit of filtration on GIRLS, like a 1/4 Black ProMist or something to soften the look and glamorize it a bit. You can do some of this to a point with OFX filters in Resolve (or any other full-featured color-correction program), but a lot of it is truly the lighting, makeup, art direction, and costuming. That having been said, I'm a big fan of the Tiffen GlimmerGlass filter (both the actual filter for lenses and the plug-in).


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josef brett
Re: Getting the 'ARRI' look (xpost from colour grading)
on Apr 26, 2016 at 10:28:53 am

Thank you. I really appreciate all the advice and insight on this forum!

I'll look into the filter you mentioned.



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