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Anhtu Vu
Speedgrade not ready for primetime!
on May 30, 2015 at 8:44:39 pm

I'm colour correcting a 60 min doc that was cut in PP . I thought i would give SG a try after hearing all the praise about Dynamic Link.

Damn this app is horrible! so slow and full of bugs...

- SG under DL is slow
- some of the FX used in PP will cause major playback problem in SG, for example Stabilizer...
- Audio playback is choppy with horrible sync at best
- Forget the crappy tracker, so slowwwww and inaccurate

I'm using the 6 cores nMP with dual GPU D700, 64 GB ram, AJA Kona 3G, Tangent panels, all media resides on a fast SAN (over 1000 MB/s throughput).

I also testes SG on a HP Z820, 12 cores @ 2.8 Ghz, 64 GB ram and dual Nvidia 4000....same crap...

Anyone here actually using SG professionally in front of clients ?

Anyways, back to Resolve...very disappointed!


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R Neil Haugen
Re: Speedgrade not ready for primetime!
on Jun 1, 2015 at 11:07:20 pm

Cutting a long project like that is a problem, especially using the Direct Link ... and yea, Warp Stabilzer pretty much shuts it down. What's going on is that "under the hood" PrPro's "engine" is feeding the content ... assembling the clips & effects and sending it into Sg's processing chain, which then tries to in real-time do it's own grading thing. For shorter & less effects-driven work, it's fine.

For a LONG, heavy-duty timeline ... yea, it ain't there yet. I do know some people using it for this stuff but they split up timelines into subsequences in PrPro and only work a few minutes at a time for the most part. With stabilizer and a few other things disabled in PrPro.

In native mode, it's much faster as it's working without the extra "overhead" on the computer. Doesn't help you much there though.

Neil


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Anhtu Vu
Re: Speedgrade not ready for primetime!
on Jun 2, 2015 at 2:55:21 am

Hey Neil,

thx for the explanation.

The ONLY reason i would use SG is because of DL and with the experience i've had so far, even though it looks promising on paper, it's till a looooong way from being useable in a professional setting.

If i have to go through all the hassle of conforming my sequence then Davinci would be my choice. Just for the tracker alone is worthed. Tracking in SG, even under native mode, is very slow and quite inaccurate..just horrible really.


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R Neil Haugen
Re: Speedgrade not ready for primetime!
on Jun 4, 2015 at 9:05:55 pm

Had interesting and informative talks with a number of colorists at NAB. Pretty much they thought that Sg had the better "color science" as one put it, and that to just get to neutral & then a "look" for a scene, Sg was a bit faster than Resolve. And they really liked having the 12-way color wheels it effectively gives you.

So they'd LOVE to be able to just park their backside in it ... BUT ...

Masks (especially tracked) are not always cooperative, there's no easy hue/hue control (yea, you can with a secondary for every dang hue you want to modify ... but jeepers), and worst the in/out process getting projects from various editors with different workflow tools & processes is in great need of modernization. (The only project input is an EDL? ... ). Besides a few other things.

Yea, I can understand the problems with Sg out in the Wide World of Pro Colorist specialists. The above can even be problems in the small one-man shop like mine.

Like those I talked with, I'm hoping for some improvements. But I'm using it as I can get by and I don't want to learn ANOTHER huge program.

Neil


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Anhtu Vu
Re: Speedgrade not ready for primetime!
on Jun 5, 2015 at 12:42:12 am

I'm hoping with the SG acquisition, Adobe will be able to find a clever way to bring some of its feature into PP so no more DL nightmare. I saw the new color workspace with Lumitri at Nab, can't wait to give it a try. Unfortunately the Tangent panel was not yet supported, that thing has reduced my grading time in half…great little unit.


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Larry DeGala
Re: Speedgrade not ready for primetime!
on Oct 14, 2015 at 4:07:36 pm
Last Edited By Larry DeGala on Oct 14, 2015 at 4:09:54 pm

I was suggested SpeedGrade because of the fast color match feature. It worked at first right off the bat. Then SG could not repeat it consistently. It was a hit or miss. And the process became trial and error. Have twin Quadro K5200s for Premier Pro and Speedgrade. But have another twin Quadro K5200s dedicated to Resolve only.
Will keep at it to see if there is some process in SG I need to follow for consistency in the results of color matching.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4425233/


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Larry DeGala
Re: Speedgrade not ready for primetime!
on Oct 15, 2015 at 5:24:09 pm
Last Edited By Larry DeGala on Oct 15, 2015 at 5:25:03 pm

I took a crack at twelve mini-webisodes for a client's YouTube channel, going from Premiere Pro to SpeedGrade and back, to export Media into Vimeo HD.

The Color Match sometimes worked. I finished, but results are less than perfect but close enough.

The man-on-the-street interviews had a starting and ending wide shot on A camera, so I color corrected (in Premiere Pro) only the opening shot and applied the same grading to the closing.

For SpeedGrade to extrapolate a good Color Match, I used Lumetri CC to the opening (again, still in Premiere Pro). A simple ProcAmp did a good job in Premiere Pro, but I found accurate results with Lumetri CC, especially when a LUT was applied. Also, I stripped all color correction to the shots I want to match. I went into SpeedGrade with only one color-corrected clip. I found the extraneous Lumetri data on B camera was confusing the Color Match feature.

Direct link into SpeedGrade, and I found myself hitting the Color Match icon. Nothing happens to the image, yet there is a new "auto color adjustment" in the clip's parameters. I know it has data results that I don't want so I "undo" [CTRL-Z]. I hit Color Match icon a second time, and clip is matched. I guess the first time around, the feature takes a snap shot and the second time you hit the icon, SpeedGrade can make an intelligent extrapolation of the clip. Sounds super-clunky, but I got results from systematic trial and error. Surely the Adobe engineers can refine SpeedGrade in time.

So, it's bang, UnDo, bang, Undo, bang. I like, sticking with it.

Then Direct Link back to Premiere Pro and finish up the grading there. If I stay too long in SpeedGrade, the software becomes unstable, locks up, stops Color Matching, and I need a complete reboot.

Don't get me wrong, the Color Match works ... most of the time. And that's all I'll ever need SG for. But I'll do the rest of the grading in some other program until the learning curve and the quirks kind of even out in time.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4425233/


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