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craigferriter
Built 64 Bit system, slllooooow performance, help
on Nov 18, 2004 at 12:48:04 pm

I had the following:

2.4 Ghz $400 machine with 512 RAM.

I just bought and assembled:

LAN 250Gb Mother board, AMD 64 Bit 3000 ($250 set)
1 Gb Kingston Hyper X RAM (2x512)
ATI FireGL2 Card 128Mb ($300)
Windows XP Pro OEM. ($170)


I see no performance gain whatsoever! (Maybe even a loss)

Do you all think it's the 64 Bit chip? Would I have better off with a P4 3.2Ghz????


Please help, I have over $1G in this system, (with HD and DVD) and I am tempted to return the whole thing!)


Thanks,


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Kenneth Daves
Re: Built 64 Bit system, slllooooow performance, h
on Nov 18, 2004 at 11:38:40 pm

Do you have any stats for the performance?


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craigferriter
Re: Built 64 Bit system, slllooooow performance, h
on Nov 19, 2004 at 11:59:02 am

No I don't. I was expecting stellar performance over the old system, but didn't.

As I research, I think the 64 Bit chip was a mistake.

What are your thoughts on the FireGL2 (ATI) card? Is this not enough ummphh?

Should I just go with a P4 mb/Process @ 2.8Ghz and get 2gb RAM????


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obioneballi
Re: Built 64 Bit system, slllooooow performance, h
on Nov 19, 2004 at 2:40:24 pm

Let me tell you what I just put together and see if that helps.

ASUS P5AD2-Premium Motherboard
ASUS AX300 PCI-Express Radeon video with 128MB DDR2
2GB (2x1GB) DDR2-533 Kingston Value RAM
Intel P4 3.4Ghz/800FSB 1MB L2 cache, Overclocked to 3.83Ghz/900FSB
WD Raptor 34.7GB HDD 10k RPM OS drive with WinXP Pro

Maxtor ATA133 120GB Drive Primary Video
Maxtor ATA133 120GB Drive Secondary Video
Maxtor SATA150 160GB Drive Render-to Drive
IBM ATA133 120GB Drive DVD Disc Image Drive
Quantum ATA66 5GB Drive designated audio drive
Koolance EXOS Liquid Cooling System

I burn everything on another PC, this is my workhorse.

I get better than real-time encoding to MPEG2 DVD compliant video stream for AVG6Mbps/High8Mbps encoding of VHS for single video tracks. I get real-time and almost real-time (1.1-1.2x) encoding for MiniDV, Hi8 and multi-track encoding to MPEG2.

I don't know what you had for pre-existing parts, so I'm not sure what you can take off your PC total... This system was somewhere around $1500 with parts from both Newegg.com and ZipZoomFly.com. I purchased the Koolance water block through Koolance directly. I've had no complaints, and this is truly a dream system to work on.

I've used Intel's for every system I've built, and I really can't complain. I know what some of the benchmark scores say with Intel's VS. AMD 64's, but I can't argue with a better than real-time render on half of what I work with.

I think you'll notice a huge difference with more RAM. I originally ordered 1GB of ram for this system, and screwed up, not realizing I ordered one stick of 1GB instead of 2x512. I certainly spent the cash wanting to get every bit of bandwidth out of the system, so I purchased another 1GB stick and I think that made a HUGE difference. That and the 900FSB over the 533FSB I had on the 2.8Ghz Intel were huge. I would make sure you're getting one of the new "E" chips (I think) that has the faster bus speed...and a little OC'ing wouldn't be a terrible thing either.

In fact, I just walked my Uncle through Ocing his 2.4 to a 2.53 or so, and he says he's getting a noticable difference.


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Kenneth Daves
Re: Built 64 Bit system, slllooooow performance, h
on Nov 19, 2004 at 4:35:35 pm

To at least give you some sort of benchmark, I took a single 10-minute clip of DV .avi with no overlays or transitions and encoded it to NTSC DVD-compliant Mpeg 2 (5000kbs VBR with 226kbs AC-3 audio) using Video Studio 8's version of the Main Concept Mpeg encoder. It took 14 minutes and 3 seconds to encode the 10-minute video clip on a system with the following spec's:

Sony Vaio P4 2.8GHZ HT
1GB PC2700 RAM
64MB integrated graphics adapter
single physical hard drive with the video file on a separate partition

As you can see, the computer was in no way optimized for video editing.
Can you try a similiar test?

You should take the following with a grain of salt, but it has been my experience (and I have heard the same from some experts) with both P4's and AMD's that the processor speed is the most important factor in simple video encoding and that you can expect performance differences approximately proportional to processor speed differences. Where the RAM and graphics cards make a difference is in compositing.

I don't know anything about your graphics card, but I don't see how it could be your problem, unless ATI has problems with its drivers.

Come to think of it, you should update all your drivers to see if it helps.


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craigferriter
Re: Built 64 Bit system, slllooooow performance, h
on Nov 22, 2004 at 12:15:02 pm

Follow up:

I returned the AMD Chip and purchased:

1Bit Mother board
3.4E HT Pentium 4 chip
Both are the old 478, hope this is okay????


Still have 1Gb RAM, and I see a noticeable difference from the AMD chip. (Yes, it cost me about $100 more)

I am running XP Pro SP2.

The board has the ability to "overclock on the fly", but I am a little leary of this.

Are there any good (free) benchmarking software out there to test system?


Any good tweaks for this system?


Thanks again for the input.


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craigferriter
Re: Built 64 Bit system, slllooooow performance, h
on Nov 22, 2004 at 12:15:12 pm

Follow up:

I returned the AMD Chip and purchased:

1Bit Mother board
3.4E HT Pentium 4 chip
Both are the old 478, hope this is okay????


Still have 1Gb RAM, and I see a noticeable difference from the AMD chip. (Yes, it cost me about $100 more)

I am running XP Pro SP2.

The board has the ability to "overclock on the fly", but I am a little leary of this.

Are there any good (free) benchmarking software out there to test system?


Any good tweaks for this system?


Thanks again for the input.


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