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dorkn
D-I-Y AMD based systems
on Feb 20, 2004 at 6:06:32 pm

Jon - Nice build for around $1000.

I wish I would have read that 1 week ago. I just ordered all my stuff to build a NLE DV System and choosed a AMD based system. My last pc I could inport DV in fine but could never export to tape using Adobe Preimer 6.5 and my ADS Pyro Platinum card (purchased the bundle from Video Guys =) ).

After reading Video Guys website and realizing some of my hardware was not up to par. Like 2nd 7200rpmn drive for storage of video etc etc... I have not gotten my new components yet for my new build they are on order. So I may or may not have the export to tape problem on this pc.

I know I am not alone on the DV export to tape problems. I read it on almost all forums I visit. (intel or amd based systems).

I am currently readin another forum where people are have export to tape issuses and are using some of the same components I just ordered. So I am hoping to get a heads up before I start my build.

Here are the components for my new build

Mother Board $112- Asus
K7 Flagship Motherboard
NVIDIA® NForce2 Ultra 400 + MCP-T
Chipset
400 MHz FSB
Dual-Channel DDR400 Memory
Dual LAN with Gigabit
ASUS Wi-Fi slot
Dolby® Audio
SATA RAID
IEEE 1394


CPU - AMD Athlon XP 2500+ "Barton", 333 FSB, 512K Cache Processor - Retail $80

Specification
Model: AMD Athlon XP 2500+
Core: Barton
Operating Frequency: 1.83GHz
FSB: 333MHz
Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/512K
Voltage: 1.65V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket A
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
Packaging: Retail Box (Heatsink and Fan included)


RAM x 2 (512mb using the double rate slots on the Asus)- Kingston ValueRAM 184 Pin 256MB DDR PC-3200 $100 for both

Specification
Manufacturer: Kingston
Speed: DDR400(PC3200)
Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM
Error Checking: Non-ECC
Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
Cas Latency: 2.5
Support Voltage: 2.6V
Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s
Organization: 32M x 64 -Bit
Warranty: Lifetime

Video Card $72 - eVGA nVIDIA GeForce FX5200 Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "e-GeForce FX5200(128-A8-N306-LX)" -RETAIL

Specifications:
Chipset/Core Speed: nVIDIA GeForce FX5200/250MHz
Memory/Effective Speed: 128MB DDR/400MHz
BUS: AGP 1X/2X/4X/8X
Ports: VGA Out(15 Pin D-Sub)+TV-Out(S-Video Out)+DVI connector
Support 3D API: DirectX®9, OpenGL®1.4
Cable/Accessories: S-Video Cable, VGA via DVI Adapter, Driver CD
Max Resolution@32bit Color: 2048X1536@60Hz
Retail Box (See pics for details)


Hard Drives - EIDE #1 Master C: Drive Western Digital 7200 RPM 8MB Cache 160gig
EIDE #2 Master D: Drive Western Digital 7200 RPM 8MB Cache 160gig

Bought at Office maxx on sale after instant savings and mail in rebates. $59.99 each

Powersupply $80 - 450watt I will have to look the brand back up later.

DVD BURNER $156 - Sony Internal DVD-/+RW Recorder Drive, Model DRU-530A, Retail

Specifications:
Write Speed: 40X CD-R, 24X CD-RW, 8X DVD+R, 4X DVD+RW, 4X DVD-R, 2X DVD-RW
Read Speed: 40X CD-ROM/CD-R, 12X DVD-ROM
Interface: ATAPI / E-IDE
Buffer: 2 MB
OS Support: Windows 2000/ XP Home / XP Pro
Features: Buffer Underrun Proof technology
Remark: Retail Pack (see pictures for details)


Case - SKYHAWK ATX Midsize Tower with side window and front light tubes. Aluminum case with 4 fans. Bought through

dorkn
Re: D-I-Y AMD based systems
on Feb 20, 2004 at 6:08:33 pm

ack half of my message dissapeared onmy system specs. I will fix tonight. Sorry..


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Jon Oransky
Re: D-I-Y AMD based systems
on Feb 20, 2004 at 6:35:11 pm

check out our system recommendations page on our web site (http://www.videoguys.com/system.htm). the nvidia based chipset isn't the most compatible chipset.

- Jon

http://www.videoguys.com
800-323-2325 x120


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Gary Bettan
Re: D-I-Y AMD based systems
on Feb 20, 2004 at 7:26:31 pm

We do like AMD systems and we do recommend them. We did not mean this as a slam against AMD.

We have found that for the vast bulk of our customers it is easier to build a P4 machine then an Athlon. This is more a motherboard / chipset issue then CPU. In the past VIA and nVidia chipsets have been problems for video ediitng. Usually they can be tweaked and patched and updated. But it's a lot more work then a P4 system.

We do plan on doing an AMD 64 challenge in the future!

Gary

Videoguys.com / The Electronic Mailbox 800 323-2325
We Are The Desk Top Video Editing & Production Experts

All DTV purchases come with our exclusive 30 day customer assurance program and FREE Tech Support


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dorkn
Re: D-I-Y AMD based systems
on Feb 20, 2004 at 8:48:08 pm

No slam taken... I catually was going to build a P4 system but didn't know what to get. I wish I had caught the DIY article last week. So I just started this to get feedback from other AMD users out there. I don't currently use a REAL TIME DV card so I didn't think that the Nvidia based boards would be to big of a issue. When I decide to get a real time card it will be time for a upgrade by then and will have to do my homework.I may not have a issue yet till I build it and see first hand. I just know I have been on other boards and seen people with the Nvida / Asus boards having problems exporting to tape. Which I know seems to be a common problem with both AMD and P4 based systems. I didn't post this to stir any pot just to spark up more AMD users to post there systems and thoughts or issuses on AMD based systems. What works and doesn't work type thing....



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dorkn
Re: D-I-Y AMD based systems
on Feb 20, 2004 at 8:51:45 pm

Here are the components for my new build I used new egg and directron.com for my components..

GEAR: SONY DIGITAL 8 TRV230 video camera Editing - Adobe Premier 6.5 Still photos - Canon Digital Rebel 6.0 mp and Olympus 3000zoom 3.3mp.

Mother Board $112- Asus
K7 Flagship Motherboard
NVIDIA® NForce2 Ultra 400 + MCP-T
Chipset
400 MHz FSB
Dual-Channel DDR400 Memory
Dual LAN with Gigabit
ASUS Wi-Fi slot
Dolby® Audio
SATA RAID
IEEE 1394


CPU - AMD Athlon XP 2500+ "Barton", 333 FSB, 512K Cache Processor - Retail $80

Specification
Model: AMD Athlon XP 2500+
Core: Barton
Operating Frequency: 1.83GHz
FSB: 333MHz
Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/512K
Voltage: 1.65V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket A
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
Packaging: Retail Box (Heatsink and Fan included)


RAM x 2 (512mb using the double rate slots on the Asus)- Kingston ValueRAM 184 Pin 256MB DDR PC-3200 $100 for both

Specification
Manufacturer: Kingston
Speed: DDR400(PC3200)
Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM
Error Checking: Non-ECC
Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
Cas Latency: 2.5
Support Voltage: 2.6V
Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s
Organization: 32M x 64 -Bit
Warranty: Lifetime

Video Card $72 - eVGA nVIDIA GeForce FX5200 Video Card, 128MB DDR, 128-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "e-GeForce FX5200(128-A8-N306-LX)" -RETAIL

Specifications:
Chipset/Core Speed: nVIDIA GeForce FX5200/250MHz
Memory/Effective Speed: 128MB DDR/400MHz
BUS: AGP 1X/2X/4X/8X
Ports: VGA Out(15 Pin D-Sub)+TV-Out(S-Video Out)+DVI connector
Support 3D API: DirectX®9, OpenGL®1.4
Cable/Accessories: S-Video Cable, VGA via DVI Adapter, Driver CD
Max Resolution@32bit Color: 2048X1536@60Hz
Retail Box (See pics for details)


Hard Drives - EIDE #1 Master C: Drive Western Digital 7200 RPM 8MB Cache 160gig
EIDE #2 Master D: Drive Western Digital 7200 RPM 8MB Cache 160gig

Bought at Office maxx on sale after instant savings and mail in rebates. $59.99 each

Powersupply $80 - 450watt I will have to look the brand back up later.

DVD BURNER $156 - Sony Internal DVD-/+RW Recorder Drive, Model DRU-530A, Retail

Specifications:
Write Speed: 40X CD-R, 24X CD-RW, 8X DVD+R, 4X DVD+RW, 4X DVD-R, 2X DVD-RW
Read Speed: 40X CD-ROM/CD-R, 12X DVD-ROM
Interface: ATAPI / E-IDE
Buffer: 2 MB
OS Support: Windows 2000/ XP Home / XP Pro
Features: Buffer Underrun Proof technology
Remark: Retail Pack (see pictures for details)


Case - SKYHAWK ATX Midsize Tower with side window and front light tubes. Aluminum case with 4 fans. Bought through $72.00

Operating System - WIN XP PRO SP1 $149

I guess this could be my entry for the DIY System - Total cost $859

Let me know your thoughts. I plan to use my ADS Pyro Card for Capture and export.





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Damon Gaskin
Re: D-I-Y AMD based systems
on Feb 20, 2004 at 11:56:52 pm

Hello, and cool idea Videoguys!! I have an AMD based system that is extremely stable, and has a Matrox RTX100 Xtreme Pro installed in it. Here are the specs:

ASUS A7S333 motherboard based off SIS 745 chipset
AMD Athlon 2100+ processor
Thermaltake TR2 Cpu cooler(cpu never reaches 45 deg. Celcius)
768MB of Crucial PC2100 DDR memory(that tip in the DIY is cool)
System Drive- Western Digital 40GB 7200 RPM
Capture Drive- Western Digital 100GB 7200 RPM
Export Drive- Maxtor 60GB 7200 RPM
Matrox G550 graphics card running 2 CRT's in 32bit 1024*768
Pioneer DVR-AO5 dvd burner
Creative Modemblaster Serial External Modem
Sony TRV-19 MiniDV camcorder

Power Supply- Enermax 350 Watt power supply with 2 fans standard
2 80 MM cooling fans(1 as intake and harddrive cooling, and the other under the power supply as an output)

PCI cards:
Slot 1-Matrox board
Slot 2-CNet ethernet card
Slot 3-Creative Audigy LS soundcard
Slot 4-empty
Slot 5-empty

ATA cable config:
Channel 1-Master(System Drive), Slave(Export Drive)
Channel 2-Master(Capture Drive), Slave(DVD burner)

All of my specifications are per Matrox's reccomendations. I do not have SP1 or any of the other Windows XP updates on my system. I found that installing the security updates tend to cause problems(I had an X10 that I upgraded from, and this is what I found out from that experience).

My motherboard and all other components were purchased locally with the exception of the graphic card and Matrox 100 which were purchased from the Videoguys. My system is extremely stable, and I even leave it on overnight many times to transcode/burn DVD's. I haven't had a crash within Premiere or any of the video applications(actually at all) since I purchased the X100 Xtreme Pro system. I may uprgrade to an Athlon 2400+ since it is the fastest that my motherboard can accept, but that will be in a little while if I do that.

My system performs with all functions and more, advertised by not only Matrox, but also the video guys. I perform extremely fast AVI exports(2 hours of timeline in 20-25 minutes with effects), and then transcode/burn in Encore which has been great for me as far as the options for building, burning, etc. I use Matrox Mediatools for DV aquistion and still image creation for Photoshop Elements and montages in Pro. I can't say enough good things about this system, and it is actually the first one I have built.

I subsequently built the pc that mine is connected to via network. My wife uses this second pc which is also an AMD system to capture shows and soap operas via a Pinnacle PCTV. This system also uses a SIS 745 chipset based motherboard(MSI 745 Ultra which is super cheap. I picked mine up for 50.00) and 512 MB of PC2700 DDR, but I will be upgrading to a Matrox P650 for this machine in anticipation of The SIMS 2 for my wife. I have/am extremely satisfied with both systems not only in their performance, but the ease of construction, setup and maintenence. I am one for sure that is keeping my eye on the Athlon 64's since a few users on the Matrox forum are currently using them. Well, sorry about the long post, but I am enjoying my editing experience with Matrox and AMD.


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Gary Bettan
Re: D-I-Y AMD based systems
on Feb 21, 2004 at 12:52:37 am

GREAT POST DAMON!!!

The RTX100 is a great choice.
Gotta love the dual monitors on the G550!!

It may be time to think about upgrading to a new 8X DVD burner ;-)

Gary

Videoguys.com / The Electronic Mailbox 800 323-2325
We Are The Desk Top Video Editing & Production Experts

All DTV purchases come with our exclusive 30 day customer assurance program and FREE Tech Support


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dorkn
Re: D-I-Y AMD based systems
on Feb 21, 2004 at 12:53:04 am

Great post. Thats what I was wanting to hear. People AMD systems and thoughts and inputs. I may have to get a 3rd hardrive to set up one for eport one for capture and one for operating system. Does anyone know if it hurts if the main system drive is partitioned or not? I would like to get my main drive partitioned so I can use the second partition to store photos and music files that will be used later on in some video projects. And leave the other 2 drives completely open for there intended use. Hmmm Off to buy a 80gig for my system drive I guess. Keep the great post coming. Yes and Video Guys are doing a awesome job with there DIY forum and articles and support.


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Damon Gaskin
Re: D-I-Y AMD based systems
on Feb 21, 2004 at 5:11:36 pm

He. He. Yes, that X100 is definately a great system. I am still debating the 8X burner simply because mine still works, and I am using inexpensive 1X media for my little projects. I am just getting to the point where I am starting to get requests from others to do little jobs/things for them.

It actually is pretty cool. I started off giving away dvd's to my family, and now they and others are asking for not only video related projects, but almost as many are asking for things like invitations and graphics related projects(Hey videoguys it's time to seriously think about Ulead 3D Cool and the 3D Cool Production suite).

In this week alone I have been asked for 5 different things and if I did not have that realtime card in my machine, it would be render city for me, so I am extremely grateful for that. It is getting to the point where instead of sending "out" demo dvd's to my little client listings, I am thinking about employing the Matrox TV webhosting since it is free and viewers can input comments which I think would be great to let me know if they do or do not like something they see, and what changes they would like such as color correction, clip placement, titles, etc.

And thanks dorkn, the post hopefully had everything in my crazy system. I actually had to take the side panel off in order to see what pci slot locations were used for which card(I need to order an antec side panel with a window to alleviate these little annoyances, and they are only 25 bucks I think). The AMD system for me is a winner since I am not doing this as a full-time gig(not yet at least, but I have earned in 5 projects since October half of what I earn a year on my full-time job, so I am considering it and at the same time going back to school to complete my bachelors), and my funds do not allow for the price of the higher spec Pentiums.

I will say that it has been fun for me because it has allowed me to learn that what you pay for a pre-built system nowadays is really in my eyes not worth it, especially if your going to be doing editing, CAD, or graphics manipulation. Like the article stated, it really is simple to build a pc, and I am spurring others to do so as much as I can. I try to tell people if you can put together a model, you can easily build your own pc, and know it's innards "when" something does go wrong.

I am not a partitioner simply because for me it really isn't required. I store my photos if need-be on my system drive, and my music files on my capture drive. I did have an older 10 gig 5400 rpm Western Digital harddrive set up to a PCI controller card(formatted as FAT32) for audio uses, but I disconnected it since I really don't do alot of audio editing in Audition. I feel that I need to get a little more familiar with the application before I tinker around with my setup a bit. But it did work well even with the card and extra harddrive in it. Partitioning is for me just another headache waiting to happen.

It's not easy getting a system as stable as this one is for me. I can concurrently work in Premiere and Encore without any problems or slowdowns what so ever. I get full previews without the Matrox "X" that so many complain about, and on top of that if need-be, I can be encoding a dvd and get on the internet and surf or check forums without too much of a slowdown. It's great.

And the G550 is wonderful and worth every penny. I learned with it, that it is not only how much memory is in the card, but the way the card is manufactured and who it is manufactured by. I would buy a 4MB DDR card made by Matrox for 300.00 bucks before I would buy a 128MB card from another mfg. for 200.00. It's about the stability, image quality, and compatability. The image quality as far as common applications, video editing, and other non-gamer situations is wonderfully crisp and stable. I no longer get desktop freezes that I experienced with my Radeon, and from what I understand, it is not loud like the new G-force cards either. I have never messed with the Quadro's by Nvidia, so I don't know how they compare, but I would/am going to buy another Matrox card pretty soon for the wife's pc(I think I stated this already) and her gaming uses. Given, the SIMS is not a pixel-pusher game, but I can only imagine how it's going to look with a P650 or even a full-blown Parhelia. Be on the lookout Videoguys. Bye.


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dallos
Re: D-I-Y AMD based systems
on Mar 29, 2004 at 5:03:13 pm

We are planning to build two workstations for NLE, based on Canopus DVRaptorRT2 Max+ cards. I'm hardly thinking on building Athlon64-based systems. Does anyone have experiences Athlon64 + Canopus cards? Unfortunatelly there is no Athlon64 compatible chipset in the "Compatible Hardware for Canopus Products" chart on the Canopus website.


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