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brianlaz
Insert clip without losing sync
on Nov 17, 2018 at 6:05:44 pm

I'm embarrassed to ask this question, because it seems like it should be easy to figure out, and because I've been editing on FCPX for long enough that it seems crazy I don't know it. But I looked pretty hard.

I'd like to make what I would call a true insert edit: EVERYTHING to the right of the new clip moves over to make room for the new clip, i.e. I don't lose any sync. In X it seems to depend on what is connected to what where, and there's always something that doesn't move over, causing me to lose sync, or just making me paranoid. Is this possible?

Thanks in advance.



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Robin S. Kurz
Re: Insert clip without losing sync
on Nov 17, 2018 at 6:37:01 pm

Are you sure that you have the regular SELECT TOOL active (A-key)?

Otherwise seeing a screenshot of both the before and after would be a huge help in understanding what's going on.

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brianlaz
Re: Insert clip without losing sync
on Nov 17, 2018 at 11:52:08 pm

Thank you for your response, I will upload a pic (or video if possible).

I am definitely in the regular select tool mode (A)



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brianlaz
Re: Insert clip without losing sync
on Nov 18, 2018 at 12:12:31 am

Ok here is an example, some tracks on top of each other, a few tracks of video and a few tracks of audio (I think I'm not supposed to call them "tracks"?)

https://images.creativecow.net/80694/screenshot2018-11-17at7.08.51pm.png





When I take the blade tool and cut every "track", then insert (W) I get what I want:

https://images.creativecow.net/80694/screenshot2018-11-17at6.58.15pm.png



Obviously having to cut each track individually is not tenable.

When I don't cut every track with the blade tool I get this:

https://images.creativecow.net/80694/screenshot2018-11-17at6.59.34pm.png



I adjusted where the tracks were connected to the primary storyline (another thing there's no way I'm willing to do every time), this does not produce the desired result.

Does this help? Is there a way to insert a clip and have everything get cut at that point and move over?



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brianlaz
Re: Insert clip without losing sync
on Nov 18, 2018 at 12:14:13 am

Crap, in preview I could see my images, now that I have posted I don't see them.
Is there a forum for how to post on the forum??
I followed CC's instructions (I thought) for how to include a still.



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Robin S. Kurz
Re: Insert clip without losing sync
on Nov 18, 2018 at 11:54:18 am

[brianlaz] "Crap, in preview I could see my images, now that I have posted I don't see them."

I suspect you inserted the LINK not the EMBED code. Maybe give it another shot. They're still there. 😉

But I suspect that what Jeff wrote is probably going in the right direction, yes.

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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Insert clip without losing sync
on Nov 18, 2018 at 3:55:26 pm

[brianlaz] "Does this help? Is there a way to insert a clip and have everything get cut at that point and move over?
"


First, the images in your post are now fixed. in the future, simply drag and drop your pictures to the post window and the cow will make automatic links.

Second, map a key to "Blade". I use 'b'. Lasso the clips you want to blade, place your playhead here you need to blade, then hit blade. This will cut all the selected clips, but nothing else. Alternatively, you can hit the "blade all" command (I have it mapped to command-b). This will cut all clips under the playhead.

Then hit w to insert.

Once you get the hang of it, it's very fast.


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brianlaz
Re: Insert clip without losing sync
on Nov 18, 2018 at 4:04:32 pm

Thank you for your reply.
The blade-all solution seems to be the best, and what another replier suggested. I'm not into futzing with the connection points every time I want to do this kind of an edit.
PS I'm putting a random pic in here to see if it can really be that easy.

Cheers!


Wowwwww that's so cool! I followed the CC instructions which were very convoluted.
So for videos do people make gifs and do it the same way? I've seen a few, that seems handy.



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Bret Williams
Re: Insert clip without losing sync
on Nov 18, 2018 at 6:27:13 pm

Yeah, I’ve always clicked the picture button, which uploads a clip, then you have to cut and paste the code to insert. When did it get so easy?

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Jeff Kirkland
Re: Insert clip without losing sync
on Nov 17, 2018 at 7:27:46 pm

The only time everything’s not going to move the way you want is if the connected clip’s actual connection is downstream of the clip you’re inserting, in which case it will stay with it’s parent and everything else will move down to make room for the inserted clip. The only way I can think of that not happening is if you were accidentally in something like position mode which overrides the normal magnetic timeline.

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brianlaz
Re: Insert clip without losing sync
on Nov 18, 2018 at 12:17:08 am

Thanks for your reply.
Are you saying in order to do what I would call a true insert, where everything after your insert point moves to the right, I have to go to every clip and adjust it's connection point? This could take a full minute on a complicated project.
Also, I tried moving all connection points to after the insert point and it was still wonky.
Am I misunderstanding?



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Bret Williams
Re: Insert clip without losing sync
on Nov 18, 2018 at 3:11:21 pm

Inserting works very much like other NLEs. With some differences, good and bad. In FCPX when you insert, all the clips connected past the insert point will ripple down as you like . Any clips connected before the insertion point will stay where they are. Worked the same in FCP7. If you inserted to a layer, every clip on all (non-locked) layers rippled down unless their in point was before the ineserted clip. In either case, the app can't know what you want to do. There is always some clean up. In FCPX, at least you have the opportunity to change the connection point to where it moves with the clip you always want it to move with, as might be the case if you're inserting at a J or L cut point. The big problem with 7 or X is music. If your music is connected before the insert point, then everything after the insert is going to be out of sync with the music. But this is generally true of all NLEs. X, at least, has the ability to change the connection point so you can choose side of the edit is important or which side you'd prefer goo out of sync.

Avid has what is called sync locks. Turn those on and every frame is important. You can't knock anything out t of sync. If you do an insert, it will split all the tracks at the insert point and push everything down. It's a very safe way to work and how I always worked when I worked on Avid many, many, many years ago. I assume they still have that great feature. In FCPX, you can accomplish the same thing by choosing a single hot key combination right before you insert edit. Shift+cmd+B. That will split your timeline all the way through at the playhead. Hit insert after that and all will be perfectly in sync before and after your insert.

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brianlaz
Re: Insert clip without losing sync
on Nov 18, 2018 at 3:58:50 pm

Thanks for your reply!

[Bret Williams] "In FCPX when you insert, all the clips connected past the insert point will ripple down as you like . Any clips connected before the insertion point will stay where they are. Worked the same in FCP7. "

I can't say I agree with this...connection points happen automatically, whereas locking tracks is something the editor does. I almost never used it in 7 because that's how losing sync was invited. So the default setup for me was that inserting something rippled ALL tracks, because not losing sync is--for me--a great default. It's actually hard for me to think of a scenario where it's desirable to insert any other way, where some tracks ripple and some don't.


[Bret Williams] "The big problem with 7 or X is music. If your music is connected before the insert point, then everything after the insert is going to be out of sync with the music. But this is generally true of all NLEs. X, at least, has the ability to change the connection point so you can choose side of the edit is important or which side you'd prefer goo out of sync. "

Again, since in 7 inserting worked the way I like (all tracks ripple), I never found there to be a problem with losing sync with music. And holding down keys and clicking with a mouse on literally every track before I do an edit...crazy town. I can appreciate how connection points can be useful in other ways though I'm sure.


[Bret Williams] " In FCPX, you can accomplish the same thing by choosing a single hot key combination right before you insert edit. Shift+cmd+B. That will split your timeline all the way through at the playhead. Hit insert after that and all will be perfectly in sync before and after your insert."

This is money right here! It is a good, though imo clunky, solution that is basically what I was saying I do as a workaround (split each track) but you added the shift combo so I don't have to split each track individually.
Thanks for that!
I know there's a FCPX vs 7 debates forum so I will say no more!



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Bret Williams
Re: Insert clip without losing sync
on Nov 18, 2018 at 4:43:18 pm

Sorry, if a clip started before the insertion point in FCP7, it didn’t Ripple down.

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brianlaz
Re: Insert clip without losing sync
on Nov 18, 2018 at 6:02:51 pm

[Bret Williams] "Sorry, if a clip started before the insertion point in FCP7, it didn’t Ripple down."

Maybe we're using different terminology?
I just opened FCP studio and did it. No matter how many tracks I have, when I do an insert edit, ALL clips move to the right, leaving the clip I inserted alone, with no overlap, no loss of sync anywhere...i.e. what I was asking for in my original question.



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Bret Williams
Re: Insert clip without losing sync
on Nov 18, 2018 at 6:13:52 pm

So what happened to the clip that spanned the insert point? did it move, stay, or split?

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brianlaz
Re: Insert clip without losing sync
on Nov 18, 2018 at 6:18:11 pm

All clips split and stayed in sync. All i did was set an in, and out, and then did an insert. It is the default setting like I said.


if i can add a video i'd be glad to show you a screen movie. works like a charm



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Bret Williams
Re: Insert clip without losing sync
on Nov 18, 2018 at 6:23:25 pm

Well that’s crazy cool. In 11 years of FCP legacy that never worked that way for me. But maybe I’m getting senile, but that was always one of my bigger complaints. What are your track patches looking like?

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brianlaz
Re: Insert clip without losing sync
on Nov 18, 2018 at 6:35:37 pm



Another thing along these lines that bugs me to no end is in studio you could set an in, an out, and hit delete and it would create a gap that cut though ALL tracks. Or shift delete and it would delete everything and close the gap. Have fun with that in X. Blade was something that i thought would become obsolete because it's so clunky, now in 2018 it's being touted as the thing to use for what used to be a simple edit. Go figure.
But we are totally in Legacy vs. X Debates forum territory here!
In this case Legacy definitely wins. Changing all your connection points to make an edit???



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Bret Williams
Re: Insert clip without losing sync
on Nov 18, 2018 at 6:43:43 pm

Well, in X instead of pressing in, hit blade all. Then instead of out, hit blade all. Now all you have to do is select the clip on the primary and you have the same two options as legacy. Except they’re reversed. since Ripple is the default, use shift delete to not Ripple. If you have the extended keyboard use the additional delete key to leave a gap. The above method doesn’t require selecting all the tracks inpatching either. I’m thinking you operated legacy with all tracks selected?

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brianlaz
Re: Insert clip without losing sync
on Nov 18, 2018 at 7:00:45 pm

>Well, in X instead of pressing in, hit blade all.

Yes, and to avoid the annoying reach of Shift Command B I could remap those to something easier. But man, in and out points, when you're editing fast those get hit without thinking. Bummer to have a whole other thing you gotta hit.

>Now all you have to do is select the clip on the primary and you have the same two options as legacy.

True enough, but you've already had to use alternate keys, and select something with a mouse. But yes, that sounds like the best solution.

Don't get me wrong, I never looked back, but there are some things in X I really don't get why they made more difficult. Like editing.



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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Insert clip without losing sync
on Nov 18, 2018 at 8:32:27 pm

[brianlaz] "Bummer to have a whole other thing you gotta hit."

If you use blade all, just map it to ‘b’. Select in point, hit b, select out point hit ‘b’, decide your fate from there.

The thing to remember about fcpx is that it doesn’t work like tracks work. There are some commonalities, there are some differences. Figuring out how the timeline “moves” takes a while. At a certain point, it clicks, and you may find that there are many efficiencies to be gained. Or not.


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brianlaz
Re: Insert clip without losing sync
on Nov 19, 2018 at 12:31:30 am

I do appreciate your help.

I don't know if this is bad form, but can I ask you a question about something else?
I can't seem to trim my audio. It's a separate audio track, not part of the video primary story line. I go to trim tool, and try to drag the edges and they go nowhere. No problem on the video portion. Grrrr!



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Bret Williams
Re: Insert clip without losing sync
on Nov 19, 2018 at 12:52:03 am

You don't need the trim tool unless you want to roll, slip, or slide. You could be placing it right over the center of the edge and trying to do a roll with only one clip. Move it slightly to the side with the clip and it'll change to a single size trim icon. Or just use the regular A tool and there won't be the roll confusion. Either way you need to also have the audio expanded with ctrl+s.

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brianlaz
Re: Insert clip without losing sync
on Nov 19, 2018 at 5:22:58 pm

[Bret Williams] "You don't need the trim tool unless you want to roll, slip, or slide. "

I am rolling, so as not to lose sync. In other words, a double sided trim, which afaik can only be done with trim tool


[Bret Williams] "Either way you need to also have the audio expanded with ctrl+s."

I have that as well, though I'm not sure it's necessary since it's a separate audio track to begin with.

I can trim the video with no problem, but when I go to the audio it just won't budge.
Maybe I should start a new thread?



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Bret Williams
Re: Insert clip without losing sync
on Nov 20, 2018 at 12:23:07 am

Ok, so it’s a separate audio clip. But is it on the primary or grouped with another audio clip in a secondary? If not, there’s nothing to roll.

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