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Eric Santos
hvx200, fcpx, 1080/24P when I meant to use 1080/24PA mistake
on Jun 12, 2016 at 7:03:51 pm

Long story short, our hvx200 got changed from 1080/24PA to 1080/24P and now I have all kinds of ruckus in FCPX.

When I import, if I choose to note remove pulldown the footage plays as interlaced and the inspector show framerate of 29.97 and pulldown of 2:3
If I do remove pulldown the inspector show framerate of 23.98 and pulldown of 2:3, however the video is speed up quite a bit, audio is still the same speed.

Any suggestions so I can get this to work like all the 24PA footage we shot? A bulk converter would be best as I have 8 cards that I messed up like this

Thanks

Eric


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Noah Kadner
Re: hvx200, fcpx, 1080/24P when I meant to use 1080/24PA mistake
on Jun 12, 2016 at 7:10:23 pm

See-

https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/8/1130056

Noah

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Eric Santos
Re: hvx200, fcpx, 1080/24P when I meant to use 1080/24PA mistake
on Jun 12, 2016 at 7:17:52 pm

Thanks Noah
Seems the solution there was to run Cinema Tools, do you know if thats works on10.10.5


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Darren Roark
Re: hvx200, fcpx, 1080/24P when I meant to use 1080/24PA mistake
on Jun 12, 2016 at 7:45:58 pm

I sold my HVX a while back but I seem to remember if the clips aren't flagged for pulldown removal, FCP X still removes the pulldown fields on the timeline correctly.

If you put the 29.97 clips on a 23.98p timeline, see if it looks correct if you go frame by frame. (IE no interlaced fields)


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Eric Santos
Re: hvx200, fcpx, 1080/24P when I meant to use 1080/24PA mistake
on Jun 13, 2016 at 9:36:01 pm

It still looks interlaced not he computer monitor and the external monitor through MX02


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Darren Roark
Re: hvx200, fcpx, 1080/24P when I meant to use 1080/24PA mistake
on Jun 13, 2016 at 10:55:13 pm

https://support.apple.com/kb/PH21217?locale=en_US

What you can do in compressor is reverse telecine the footage and transcode to ProRes. Since the HVX records on a consistent pulldown you just need to figure out what the pulldown cadence is and make a setting.

You don't want to use cinema tools with FCP X as it doesn't make clips that are fully compatible with AVFoundation.

If you post one of your shorter clips I could make you a compressor droplet.


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Eric Santos
Re: hvx200, fcpx, 1080/24P when I meant to use 1080/24PA mistake
on Jun 14, 2016 at 3:48:01 pm

Thanks Darren.

That would be helpful, would compressor work off the card structure?

I created a :05 test clip but might be to big to post here(card image is 85MB zipped). Does you have some where I could upload it to you?


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Darren Roark
Re: hvx200, fcpx, 1080/24P when I meant to use 1080/24PA mistake
on Jun 14, 2016 at 6:02:16 pm

I would need an untouched raw clip from the card. If it's been transcoded it may not work. You could do wetransfer which is free up to 2GB files.


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Eric Santos
Re: hvx200, fcpx, 1080/24P when I meant to use 1080/24PA mistake
on Jun 15, 2016 at 12:19:41 am

Darren
Thanks for the offer but it appears Compressor will not work with the P2 structure( I could not find a way). I can import the .mxf but I would have no audio. Is there way to do this in compressor?

I am going to try MXFX.


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Darren Roark
Re: hvx200, fcpx, 1080/24P when I meant to use 1080/24PA mistake
on Jun 15, 2016 at 1:54:41 am

Can you import them by just letting FCP X rewrap them to QuickTime files? That's all I would need. Apologies for not being more clear earlier. This would be without removing pulldown obv.

Transcoding the codec could muss it up, not rewrapping.


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Eric Santos
Re: hvx200, fcpx, 1080/24P when I meant to use 1080/24PA mistake
on Jun 15, 2016 at 2:26:42 am

Not to my knowledge, in "Import media" I point it to the card structure and it imports(no pulldown removal) so it is native 1080i/24p @ 29.97.

Are you saying I should try something like Raylight to create the wrapper? What could I use to create the QT wrapper?


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Eric Santos
Re: hvx200, fcpx, 1080/24P when I meant to use 1080/24PA mistake
on Jun 15, 2016 at 2:38:32 am

I think I can go to the library --> show package contents -->Original media--> grab the file from there?


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Darren Roark
Re: hvx200, fcpx, 1080/24P when I meant to use 1080/24PA mistake
on Jun 15, 2016 at 2:42:43 am

[Eric Santos] "I think I can go to the library --> show package contents -->Original media--> grab the file from there?"

You can also select the clip in FCP X and hit shift-cmd-R in the event.


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Eric Santos
Re: hvx200, fcpx, 1080/24P when I meant to use 1080/24PA mistake
on Jun 15, 2016 at 3:09:29 am

Pretty slick.

What email should I use for you( wetransfer needs an email, or what should I use?)


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Darren Roark
Re: hvx200, fcpx, 1080/24P when I meant to use 1080/24PA mistake
on Jun 15, 2016 at 3:14:25 am

give me your email, I don't think we can PM on here. (I had one hacked recently)


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Eric Santos
Re: hvx200, fcpx, 1080/24P when I meant to use 1080/24PA mistake
on Jun 15, 2016 at 3:24:21 am

Im uploading now Ill send you the link we it completes


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Eric Santos
Re: hvx200, fcpx, 1080/24P when I meant to use 1080/24PA mistake
on Jun 15, 2016 at 3:40:13 am

http://rumpots.com/0007PD.mov

Let me know when you get it so I can delete it


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Darren Roark
Re: hvx200, fcpx, 1080/24P when I meant to use 1080/24PA mistake
on Jun 15, 2016 at 4:20:20 am

Got it, will try tomorrow.


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Eric Santos
Re: hvx200, fcpx, 1080/24P when I meant to use 1080/24PA mistake
on Jun 15, 2016 at 2:45:33 pm

Thanks.

I took a try myself at it but must be missing something in Compressor, I used DVCPRO HD 1080p30/24 with 23.976 and retiming quality of Reverse Telecine. The resultant file is smaller(337MB, original 426MB) when imported to fcpx it reads properly in the inspector(23.976p) but plays back interlaced like the original 24p/29.97


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Darren Roark
Re: hvx200, fcpx, 1080/24P when I meant to use 1080/24PA mistake
on Jun 16, 2016 at 3:52:37 am

For whatever reason Compressor isn't detecting the correct reverse telecine cadence so it's not working properly.

Cinema tools could deinterlace it fine but something was odd about the frame blurring. Every fourth or fifth frame of your subject walking to the door had a double motion blur even though it was a solid frame.

There were no interlaced fields so it looks like it was from how it was shot.

Something could be awry with the shutter angle setting on that camera or it's from not having the advanced setting enabled. I haven't had an HVX for a long time so I can't remember what could cause that.

If you have FCS 3 laying around you can batch reverse telecine in cinema tools. I made an earlier comment that you don't want to use the Cinema Tools processed clips in FCP X but that's only for conformed clips not rev telecine.


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Eric Santos
Re: hvx200, fcpx, 1080/24P when I meant to use 1080/24PA mistake
on Jun 16, 2016 at 3:23:23 pm

Thanks for taking a look, just checked the shutter and it got changed to 1/24.

Lesson learned, verify your settings BEFORE you start shooting.

Just going to use it as is and chalk it up to rookie mistake.

Thanks again for your time


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