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Harry Thiles
Using Angle Viewer for more than one Multicam Clip? FCP X
on Mar 28, 2016 at 2:22:46 pm

Hi FCPX Masters,
Does anyone know if its possible to access and edit separately more than one multicam clip with the angle viewer(s) within one project?

This project has 3 multicam clips which are masked / layered to create a full image. Can they be edited separately by either "pointing" the Angle Viewer at the different multicam clips, or actually have an Angle Viewer for each multicam clip.
Right now it seems as if we can only access the top multicam clip in the timeline with the angle viewer.

The project is a live music video, all the footage is in sync with the audio (with a very few B roll exceptions).

The larger goal here;
- To easily edit between different effects looks for each of 3 figures performing live.
- Each multicam clip contains about 16 angles, (4 cameras, one of which is also broken into 12 clips using effects (color correction presets, etc)
- To be able to quickly see in real time — by name or visually — which angle we are cutting to.

There will be so many edits between effects looks for each figure that the other ways of doing it we've found so far seem to present huge workflow slowdowns (compound clops have issues... right clicking on the multicam clip stops the flow of editing, stacking up the effects in the inspector for each clip leaves us with 20 unnamed effects choices, etc...

If its not possible to do this than the easiest workflow for editing in flow is the next step.

Thanks!
Harry

FCP X 10.2.3
OS X EL Capitan


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Jeff Kirkland
Re: Using Angle Viewer for more than one Multicam Clip? FCP X
on Mar 29, 2016 at 12:25:32 am

The first part is easy - no, you can't target the multicam clip any way I know of. Not sure I know of any NLE where that would be possible. I can't really picture what it is you;re trying to do in terms of compositing. In my world you edit, then apply VFX.

The only thing I can think of is that you create your composits inside compound clips and use each compound clip as an angle in the multicam.

Jeff Kirkland | Video Producer | Southern Creative Media | Melbourne Australia
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Harry Thiles
Re: Using Angle Viewer for more than one Multicam Clip? FCP X
on Mar 29, 2016 at 3:23:49 am

Thanks Jeff,

Think of it this way:
We're using a muticam clip containing differently EFX'd versions of the same shot, so as we change angles the EFX changes.
It's a long take of a live music performance.
It's such an elegant and simple way to change the EFX.

The rub is we would like to do this for 3 or 4 multicam clips in one project (each person gets different EFX at different times). The multicam clips are composited together to show all the musicians.

We can edit the multicam clips without the Angle Viewer but the Angle viewer is just so F@#$% graceful and amazing!

- Rene


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Noah Kadner
Re: Using Angle Viewer for more than one Multicam Clip? FCP X
on Mar 29, 2016 at 6:58:36 pm
Last Edited By Noah Kadner on Mar 29, 2016 at 6:59:01 pm

Sure you could do this- just export the entirety of the take with the different effects applied- each as a new clip. Then create a new multicam clip with the multiple versions as angles. It will take a while and it will lose a generation but you'll get what you're looking for.

Noah

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Jeff Kirkland
Re: Using Angle Viewer for more than one Multicam Clip? FCP X
on Mar 29, 2016 at 9:26:52 pm

Good call. Always looking to make something more complicated than it needs to be, I assumed there was some reason they weren't just pre-rendering each of the vfx clips.

Jeff Kirkland | Video Producer | Southern Creative Media | Melbourne Australia
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Harry Thiles
Re: Using Angle Viewer for more than one Multicam Clip? FCP X
on Mar 30, 2016 at 2:28:15 am

Thanks Noah,

We were already able to apply the effects to the individual clips within the multicam clip (no export/importing needed) and now we have a nice multicam clip with the multiple versions as angles.

In fact we have 3 of these muticam clips, each containing differently effected versions of the long take. Each multicam clip is masked to show one musician. Together the multicam clips make up a composite image of three musicians, and we can switch between the effects (angles) and cross fade each musician individually.

Now we are wondering if there is a way to use the angle viewer on each of these multicam clips separately. So far we can only use the angle viewer to control the topmost multicam clip. For the others we have to right click on the multicam clip and choose the 'active video angle'... which is a flow buster.

Still investigating, thanks for the input!

HT


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