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Eric Santiago
X to 7 and R3Ds
on May 24, 2015 at 7:48:31 am

Trying to get from FCPX to Premiere Pro CC 2014.
Using Xto7 I can get the files over but only the audio works.
The R3D clips are generic icons with question mark on it.
Double click and you get the "Edit Offline" pop-up box.
Need to sync audio in FCPX and then prep for Premiere.
I cant get Premiere to merge audio sync these files using audio.
Works with TimeCode but not all files got blessed.
FCPX did the whole lot flawlessly.


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Oliver Peters
Re: X to 7 and R3Ds
on May 24, 2015 at 10:36:02 pm

When you highlight the RED clips and go to relink, can it relink to the RED files? Premiere should sync by audio just fine, but maybe it's more problematic with the RED files.

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Eric Santiago
Re: X to 7 and R3Ds
on May 25, 2015 at 2:17:25 am

Thanks Oliver that fixed it :)

I had a duh moment and should have tried that.

Due to recent workload and me trying to make Premiere the editor of choice for this movie has got the best of me.

I still cant understand why the R3Ds dont sync with the audio when its flawless in FCPX.

Of note, I also cant understand why I can only use the Media Browser to grab R3Ds. The Import tends to create the deep sub-folders :P

Thanks again crossing fingers if this will work for the editor :)


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Eric Santiago
Re: X to 7 and R3Ds
on May 25, 2015 at 2:21:37 am

Well relink works but the Audio Sync didnt take.

I see the Synchronized clips but they have no audio attached.
The audio comes in separately but useless when trying to merge (again(.


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Oliver Peters
Re: X to 7 and R3Ds
on May 25, 2015 at 11:41:07 am

Media Browser is set up to correctly interpret various file types. Finder imports simply read the OS file directory. As far as synchronized clips, XML translations are very hit or miss with multicam and synchronized clips. I've had a lot of grief this way. You might try syncing them in FCP X as multicam and see if that works better.

Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Eric Santiago
Re: X to 7 and R3Ds
on May 25, 2015 at 1:43:49 pm

Thanks Oliver and yes I have synced them in FCPX which gives me a 99% success rate in the last year with R3Ds :)
However the director/editor wants to use Premiere.
I guess I can send these to Resolve via XML and then output to ProRes444@4K for Premiere.
Any thoughts on this process?


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Oliver Peters
Re: X to 7 and R3Ds
on May 25, 2015 at 3:44:41 pm

Sure, working in Resolve would also work, but you might want to tweak the raw settings before export if there are any issues. That way you won't be constrained by not grading in raw should you need to adjust color temperature, for example. As a test at least, I would suggest syncing as multicam in X and see if that translates better into Premiere.

Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: X to 7 and R3Ds
on May 25, 2015 at 3:53:54 pm

use RCX Pro to sync r3ds to Audio (by tc) and then shallow export to XML for Pr import and see if that works any better.


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Eric Santiago
Re: X to 7 and R3Ds
on May 25, 2015 at 6:01:20 pm

Thanks Oliver and yes all R3Ds are checked in RCXPro first before hand.
Thats the thing, I wish I could convince Director to use FCPX and keep the R3Ds intact.

Jeremy I wish I can use TC across the board :(
On average its about 15% of the project has timecode.
They kept losing jam sync due to...who knows I wasnt on set :(
With Resolve I can easily just select one clip (Media Pool) and apply TC and the whole lot with TC becomes synced.
I wish FCPX had that.
You still have to manually select each clip to apply that setting.


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: X to 7 and R3Ds
on May 26, 2015 at 12:44:54 am

[Eric Santiago] "Jeremy I wish I can use TC across the board :("

I see. bummer. :)

I am absolutely loving sync-n-link.

Unfortunately there's still a bug in fcpx when using 4k synchronized clips in a 1080 timeline where the 4k clips take on the 1080 raster properties. Not a show stopper, but really annoying.


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Eric Santiago
Re: X to 7 and R3Ds
on May 26, 2015 at 2:55:29 am

Jeremy when I do anything with R3Ds I stay 1:1.
Is this an issue when creating a 1080 project?


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: X to 7 and R3Ds
on May 26, 2015 at 3:03:15 am

It only seems to effect synchronized clips imported via XML, and not synchronized clips created in fcpx.

Hopefully it gets fixed soon.


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Eric Santiago
Re: X to 7 and R3Ds
on May 26, 2015 at 3:23:53 am

Imported XML from a round trip?
From Resolve?


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: X to 7 and R3Ds
on May 26, 2015 at 3:51:03 am

I haven't tried Resolve so I'm not sure, but yes potentially any XML created outside of X that sends over synced clips.

It's an easy test. Import the XML with 4k sync'd clip, put a 4k sync'd clip in a 1080 timeline. The spatial conform controls won't work, and the clip properties of the clip in the timeline are listed as 1080 (or the raster size of the Project) when its in the timeline, even though the XML states the clip is 4k. In the Browser, the clip retains the 4k properties.


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Eric Santiago
Re: X to 7 and R3Ds
on May 26, 2015 at 12:46:36 pm

Jeremy I have done the XML exchange with a Director/Editor on his movie.
He would send me the FCPX XML and I can open the file on mine.
But we kept everything 1:1 so I never run into that issue.
I love the FCPX Sync option, I honestly cant understand why Premiere doesnt work with my recent shoot.
The scratch mic audio on the clips seem loud enough.
I wish Resolve had this built in.
Have you had good results using the RCXPro TC sync?
I had issues with that as well.
But then Im dealing with a batch of mags that have intermittent TC on it :P


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Oliver Peters
Re: X to 7 and R3Ds
on May 26, 2015 at 1:20:16 pm

Unfortunately this is why old school - having a slate with a clap - is still the most reliable method.

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Eric Santiago
Re: X to 7 and R3Ds
on May 26, 2015 at 1:52:42 pm

[Oliver Peters] "Unfortunately this is why old school - having a slate with a clap - is still the most reliable method."

Yep I have to rely on that big time.
This isnt the first time Ive had to do this.
Last fall it was another 800 plus R3D shoot that I manually synced in FCXP.
I had to get it into Avid MC.
I used Resolve as the transfer and that was actually fun.
Sadly the in the end that movie had to have 80% ADR :(
I am currently researching TC boxes.
Since Im the owner of this RED gear Im gonna have to bite the bullet and enforce this for future shoots.
Recent purchase of a 4pin to 5pin Lemo wasnt good enough since you have to jam after every camera shutdown.
Such as life.


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: X to 7 and R3Ds
on May 26, 2015 at 1:55:26 pm

[Eric Santiago] "Have you had good results using the RCXPro TC sync?
I had issues with that as well.
But then Im dealing with a batch of mags that have intermittent TC on it :P"


It works when the tc is in sync! :)

If not, there are manual sync options by setting the slate on both audio and video, but it's laborious. I would end up doing it in fcpx just like you.

I'm lucky in that for the most part, the tc is usually in tact from the shoot .

It's to the point now that most audio folks we work with record double system sound and jam tc without even asking if we need the capability, they just do it. I think that there are so many different cameras and so many different settings and ways to screw things up, most audio folks run the double system as the known master.

I have also started to get in the habit of having them name the audio channels, and the using Sync-N-Link, all the audio components and Roles come in pre named. The audio post guys love it as all of that info gets passed off to the AAF for post.

I don't have any experience using Pr's waveform sync capabilities, so I'm not sure why it wouldn't work with R3Ds, specifically.


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Eric Santiago
Re: X to 7 and R3Ds
on Jun 1, 2015 at 2:01:04 pm

I guess NAB was all a blur to cause I did not remember anything about Sync-N-Link :(
Now of course the million dollar question is...will it work FCPX XML to Premiere CC 2014 using Xto7?

Yes Im still stuck on this issue :P

And since this is all based on TC, Im boned since 2/3 of the shoot TC dont exist :(


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: X to 7 and R3Ds
on Jun 1, 2015 at 2:41:09 pm

[Eric Santiago] "Now of course the million dollar question is...will it work FCPX XML to Premiere CC 2014 using Xto7?"

There's a version made for Fcp7/PrCC: http://assistedediting.intelligentassistance.com/Sync-N-Link/


[Eric Santiago] "And since this is all based on TC, Im boned since 2/3 of the shoot TC dont exist :("

Yes. For that, perhaps Plural Eyes, would be your best bet.


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Eric Santiago
Re: X to 7 and R3Ds
on Jun 1, 2015 at 5:11:21 pm

To date Pluraleyes and Premiere CC 2014 will not place nice with current R3Ds/WAV recived from feature shoot :(

I can only audio sync using FCPX.

The scratch on the RED must be too quite for Pluraleyes/Adobe.


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