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Simon Williamson
FCPX/Neat Video/Resolve... To render out files or turn off?
on Feb 14, 2015 at 1:39:07 am

Hey folks,

I've recently switched over to using fcpx with resolve since i got my bmpcc. One thing i can't work out is how i should apply neat video using the fcpx resolve roundtrip workflow.

I always applied neat video before any colour work, rendered the file out then coloured, just my personal preference. So my questions are...

1/ If i apply neat video in fcpx, export the xml, import the xml into resolve, is it seeing my noise reduced file from fcpx? Or the original source media file? (which i think is what it will be)

2/ depending on the answer to q 1, should i then render a noise reduced clip, import that back into fcpx, then proceed as usual with xml to resolve, colour and export xml back into fcpx?

Thank for your thoughts!


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John Rofrano
Re: FCPX/Neat Video/Resolve... To render out files or turn off?
on Feb 14, 2015 at 5:12:26 pm

I don't know the answer to your first question but I can share my workflow which is similar to yours. I like to correct for things like noise and shake first and then render out a pristine file and use that in my project. Usually these plug-ins take a lot of time to process and increase rendering time significantly so I like to pay that price up front once. I rarely have to use these, but when I do, I ingest my footage, then stabilize or apply noise resolution and render a new ProRes file, then use that in my project. So I've been doing what you've been doing. That eliminates the need for an answer to your first question. ;-)

~jr

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Simon Williamson
Re: FCPX/Neat Video/Resolve... To render out files or turn off?
on Feb 15, 2015 at 7:12:56 am

Thanks John, I think that's the best way too.

Cheers


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enrique bartolo
Re: FCPX/Neat Video/Resolve... To render out files or turn off?
on Nov 10, 2015 at 6:29:06 am
Last Edited By enrique bartolo on Nov 10, 2015 at 8:14:56 am

Hello John, I'm new here and I find your answer to topic question very useful, however, my situation is a little different. You see I have Neat Video only for Sony Vegas Pro 13 and I want to NR my video clips first before I transfer them to Davinci Resolve 12 Lite. The problem is that exporting my clips on Vegas as an XML file won't carry any applied NR.

Also I tried to use XML because XML doesn't degrade any quality during a transfer but unfortunately it won't carry any kind of video effects.

Therefore, is there any way possible to NR my clips on Vegas and transfer them to Davinci Resolve with the NR effects still applied to them?

Thanks, Enrique


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John Rofrano
Re: FCPX/Neat Video/Resolve... To render out files or turn off?
on Nov 15, 2015 at 2:28:08 pm

[enrique bartolo] "Therefore, is there any way possible to NR my clips on Vegas and transfer them to Davinci Resolve with the NR effects still applied to them? "
No, there is not. This is why I recommend that you clean up your footage first. Render that to a clean set of clips and then use those clips in all of your projects. This eliminates the need to keeping the NR plug-in applied.

~jr

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http://www.vasst.com



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Claude Lyneis
Re: FCPX/Neat Video/Resolve... To render out files or turn off?
on Nov 15, 2015 at 7:25:13 pm

Can you expand on render the files out to a clean set of clips. How do you do that? Export to 422 or something? In other words how do you bake in the corrections so FCPX doesn't try to render each time? I have some files of digitized 16 mm film and want to try using Neat to denoise them.
Thanks, Claude


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John Rofrano
Re: FCPX/Neat Video/Resolve... To render out files or turn off?
on Nov 16, 2015 at 1:11:25 pm

[Claude Lyneis] "Can you expand on render the files out to a clean set of clips. How do you do that? Export to 422 or something?"
Yes. Take the raw camera footage and clean up the noise in each clip and then render out to ProRes 422 one for one before you start your project. I do the same thing with video that needs to be stabilized. I would stabilize it all first and then render to ProRes 422 and use the already stabilized footage in my project. This makes editing a lot smoother because every clips doesn't have these heavy effects applied. Think of it as a pre-processing step before editing.

Now obviously, if I only need to clean up or stabilize a small section or if I'm only going to use a small section of the clip, I might do that in my project but if I shot something in low light for example, and I know that none of the footage is usable without noise reduction, then I'll clean up all of the footage first before I start editing and then edit with the clean version of the clips.

~jr

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http://www.vasst.com



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Joe Marler
Re: FCPX/Neat Video/Resolve... To render out files or turn off?
on Nov 15, 2015 at 7:33:48 pm

[John Rofrano] "I like to correct for things like noise and shake first and then render out a pristine file and use that in my project."
Do you mean a rendered file for each clip or one consisting of multiple edited scenes that you then process with Resolve, or re-import that into FCP X? Do you use automatic scene detection, and if so what about transitions?


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John Rofrano
Re: FCPX/Neat Video/Resolve... To render out files or turn off?
on Nov 16, 2015 at 1:04:54 pm

[Joe Marler] "Do you mean a rendered file for each clip or one consisting of multiple edited scenes that you then process with Resolve, or re-import that into FCP X? Do you use automatic scene detection, and if so what about transitions?"
No. I mean take the raw camera clips and clean the noise up first rendering them back to ProRes 422 one for one and then start your project with the cleaned up versions of the clips.

~jr

http://www.johnrofrano.com
http://www.vasst.com



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Joe Marler
Re: FCPX/Neat Video/Resolve... To render out files or turn off?
on Nov 16, 2015 at 6:46:02 pm

If I understand that workflow correctly, it would not be practical for us. NEAT video NR is incredibly slow and compute-intensive, esp. on 4k files. Since our typical documentary shooting ratio is 30 or 50:1, it would lengthy pre-processing, when ultimately only a tiny portion of that material is used.

That is why we usually defer things like video NR, stabilization, flicker reduction, etc, until late in the edit. However the idea of "baking those in" does solve the problem of FCP X re-rendering the slow effect when other edits are made.


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Noah Kadner
Re: FCPX/Neat Video/Resolve... To render out files or turn off?
on Nov 17, 2015 at 3:40:35 pm

My suggestion would be pony up for the full version of Resolve and use it's crazy good and fast noise reduction at the final stage of grading. Much faster workflow with max quality. Only drawback is cost.

Noah

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Matt Wilson
Re: FCPX/Neat Video/Resolve... To render out files or turn off?
on Jun 3, 2017 at 4:02:34 pm

Wouldn't the best workflow be to do all your editing in FCPX, then when edit is done, apply Neat Video to all clips that need it, export out ProRes 422 QuickTime versions of those clips, and put these "baked in" clips into FCPX replacing the clips that needed Neat Video, then export an XML for Resolve?

That way you waste zero time doing any Neat Video processing on clips in the beginning that may end up not being used in your final cut.

Thanks,
Matt


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