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Sascha Engel
Sound editing question - workflow for polish interview
on Mar 4, 2014 at 6:56:32 pm

Hi everybody,

I had following workflow in FCP 7: if I had and interview recorded on a neck mic, I would delink right and left channel, delete the bad one (e.g. On board cam mic), duplicate the neck mic channel, relink the two twins and set them to stereo, apply normalization and EQ to liking, and voila, my interviews sounded amazingly good, clear and with a feeling of stereo to it.
In X, I click from Stereon to mono pair, silence the unwanted channel, apply EQ and the Logic limiter after boosting the volume, but it does not sound like anything even close to what I had as result in FCP7.

Any idea or tips on how to treat my neck mic channel in X?

Thanx a lot.


Greetings,

Sascha Engel
TIME BANDITZ Productions
http://www.youtube.com/taikang


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Bret Williams
Re: Sound editing question - workflow for polish interview
on Mar 5, 2014 at 12:47:46 am

In 7 you could have just left the one channel and panned to center and increased the volume. Absolutely no difference. I think the only difference is is the filters, or perhaps the quality of this recording. Or it's all in your mind. :)


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Sascha Engel
Re: Sound editing question - workflow for polish interview
on Mar 5, 2014 at 4:35:59 am

Hi Bret,

I know for sure it's not in my head. And quality is the same: I was the DP back then and now, and recorded it same way.
Do once a test, I know it sound crazy, but there is a difference in those two ways.

Sascha Engel
TIME BANDITZ Productions
http://www.youtube.com/taikang


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Mark Smith
Re: Sound editing question - workflow for polish interview
on Mar 5, 2014 at 2:33:56 am

I have wondered the same thing because I used the same workflow you described in FCP7. If you have a clip or clips with a boom on one channel and a lav on the other channel and decide one audio source is better than the other, you can select the audio from the clip and expand it, then in the inspector change the channel assignment from stereo to dual mono, switch off the channel you don't want , set the pan to center and you have accomplished what you used to do in FCP7.


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Sascha Engel
Re: Sound editing question - workflow for polish interview
on Mar 5, 2014 at 4:39:58 am

Hi.Mark, nice to hear, there's others who did the same WF.
I want to try your suggestion, only one thing is not clear to me: if I set my clip to Dual mono and not switch off the unwanted channel, but only set the pan to centre, I still hear the unwanted channel, right?
But I wanna kill the channel.

Sascha Engel
TIME BANDITZ Productions
http://www.youtube.com/taikang


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Mark Smith
Re: Sound editing question - workflow for polish interview
on Mar 5, 2014 at 11:58:10 am
Last Edited By Mark Smith on Mar 5, 2014 at 12:08:00 pm

Like you I had puzzled over how to deal with an offending channel of audio and reached for a FCP7 type of solution which is to delete the offending channel and copy paste the good channel into the now vacant second track. But there is no option to do this in X .
So in the audio inspector I switched from stereo to dual mono. I also expanded audio so I could see both channels in the time line. In the inspector you should be able to view an audio waveform of both channels and beside each one is a check box. I unchecked the offending channel set pan to the center and got the result I wanted which was the one good channel playing out both left and right.

I was writing the from memory which sometimes isn't so good. What you do after switching to dual mono and unchecking the track you do not want , go to pan mode in the audio inspector and switch from 'none' to 'default' . You're done.


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Sascha Engel
Re: Sound editing question - workflow for polish interview
on Mar 5, 2014 at 2:49:27 pm

Hi Mark,


That's actually exactly what I did, but somehow it does not sound the same.
Really weird.
Thanx for your detailed description.


Greetings,

Sascha Engel
TIME BANDITZ Productions
http://www.youtube.com/taikang


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Sascha Engel
Re: Sound editing question - workflow for polish interview
on Mar 5, 2014 at 4:39:02 pm

Found the solution: Went into the Paning menue: Dialogue setting and then tweaking the the spacial environment adjuster till I get the sound I am looking for.
Very nice in X - a bit like Space Designer for Reverbs.

Sascha Engel
TIME BANDITZ Productions
http://www.youtube.com/taikang


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Bret Williams
Re: Sound editing question - workflow for polish interview
on Mar 5, 2014 at 4:15:27 pm

[Sascha Engel] "clear and with a feeling of stereo to it."

How do you possibly get a feeling of stereo by having a single channel, mono source play out both speakers? What would that "feeling" be?


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Sascha Engel
Re: Sound editing question - workflow for polish interview
on Mar 5, 2014 at 4:37:43 pm

The moment you link both of the files as Stereo Pair, it gets a clear stereo feel. Try it.

Sascha Engel
TIME BANDITZ Productions
http://www.youtube.com/taikang


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Bret Williams
Re: Sound editing question - workflow for polish interview
on Mar 5, 2014 at 4:41:46 pm

That doesn't make any sense. One channel. Same sound. 2 speakers. That doesn't make for stereo. Physics. I've done it. For 10 years. But only when the single channel couldn't be boosted enough by the +12db limitation. Perhaps you're just getting the volume boost of duplicating the channel. When you dual mono a channel you're sending one level out both speakers. You lose roughly 3db. You have to increase the volume by that same amount.


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Sascha Engel
Re: Sound editing question - workflow for polish interview
on Mar 5, 2014 at 4:44:04 pm

I know, it does not make sense, I am fully aware of the tech specs involved in this equation, but believe me, I put on some good headphones and compare both ways in FCP7, I do hear a difference, and I am not speaking of Volume.
That it does not make any sense, I am fully aware of.


Greetings,

Sascha Engel
TIME BANDITZ Productions
http://www.youtube.com/taikang


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Bret Williams
Re: Sound editing question - workflow for polish interview
on Mar 5, 2014 at 4:54:45 pm

All filters aside, it sounds different? You mentioned using different filters in x vs 7.


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Sound editing question - workflow for polish interview
on Mar 5, 2014 at 4:58:53 pm

I suggest a blind taste test.


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Sascha Engel
Re: Sound editing question - workflow for polish interview
on Mar 5, 2014 at 5:13:26 pm

When I did the comparison, between the two ways in 7, and my usual way in 7 compared with X, I did it without filters.
Now, with alternating the Room Adjustment in the Panning section in X I get similar results.

Sascha Engel
TIME BANDITZ Productions
http://www.youtube.com/taikang


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