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Justin Crowell
Undo range selection
on Feb 18, 2014 at 9:36:33 pm

I've only seen this mentioned once before, and wanted to see if other people are dealing with it.

FCPX doesn't allow you to undo a range selection. So, if I've been diligently setting multiple Ins and Outs along a clip, then accidentally hit "i" instead of cmd-shift-i, all of my ranges are gone. And undo won't get them back.

That drives me NUTS.

Frankly, my biggest issue with FCPX in general is logging footage... I still find it so awkward to use for that.

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Charlie Austin
Re: Undo range selection
on Feb 18, 2014 at 10:46:24 pm

[Justin Crowell] "accidentally hit "i" instead of cmd-shift-i, all of my ranges are gone. And undo won't get them back. "

Try hitting F to mark them as favorites as you go along. You can always unmark or reject them later.

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Andy Neil
Re: Undo range selection
on Feb 18, 2014 at 10:46:40 pm

Yeah, that's a big pain and also one of the reasons I don't do multiple IN/OUTs on a clip at once. I don't trust any function that doesn't have an undo in case I fumble the shortcut key. Instead, I select one range at a time and keyword or favorite and then move on. Works pretty fast for me.

Andy

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Justin Crowell
Re: Undo range selection
on Feb 19, 2014 at 12:16:21 am

Thanks guys. Good thought, Charlie.

Andy: for your method do you work like this?
1) Set In
2) Set Out
3) CMD+K, type keyword (or keywords)
4) Hit Escape
5) Repeat!

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Patrice Freymond
Re: Undo range selection
on Feb 19, 2014 at 5:45:57 am

Why not use F (favorite) ? only one key, no typing of keyword and no extension of your kw list.

You can then display only your favorites and eventually kw them, then unrate them, thus freeing your favorite function for renewed use...

The logging feature in FCPX is hailed by most as one of its best features, with a reason. But it takes a bit to get used to and used efficiently. MAybe a trip down the manual can help too.

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Justin Crowell
Re: Undo range selection
on Feb 19, 2014 at 6:07:49 am
Last Edited By Justin Crowell on Feb 19, 2014 at 7:24:25 am

The problem with the Favorite approach is that it means I have to review ALL of my footage twice: once to Favorite, once to Keyword. For long interview sets with quick turnarounds, that's untenable. Also, I know I can favorite and unfavorite, but it'd also be nice fi there was a Favorite-style tag along the lines of "Subclip."

[Patrice Freymond] "The logging feature in FCPX is hailed by most as one of its best features, with a reason. But it takes a bit to get used to and used efficiently. MAybe a trip down the manual can help too."

I take pretty strong issue with that...if you search these forums you'll find many are frustrated with logging (especially long interviews). Many have to make use of workarounds (like Markers). I'm deeply familiar with the software (watch plenty of tutorials and have been working steadily with it for a while). I just find it frustrating that what I can do in Premiere/FCP7 without moving my hands from the home-row now takes multiple run-throughs, hitting escape, or some other extra process. I don't care about maintaining my old modes of behavior...I DO care, however, about maintaing my former efficiency.

Furthermore...I should say that when I'm subclipping I don't necessarily want keywords, even. I want to make descriptions that are searchable later. Again, people discuss this stuff in the forums, and there are workarounds--but they all require some awkward extra motions (ie naming Favorites, which you have to use the mouse to do).


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tony west
Re: Undo range selection
on Feb 19, 2014 at 1:59:02 pm

[Justin Crowell] "The problem with the Favorite approach is that it means I have to review ALL of my footage twice: "

Justin, it's a good topic.

Here is my approach to logging long interviews.

I use Favorites, then I type a couple of words in the Favorite space to describe what the person is talking about.

Then I type exclamation marks behind those words. 4 for a bite I know I'm gonna use and one for a bite that is kind of interesting. (or two or 3)

That way at a glance I can see by those ex marks right where I need to go.

the best part for me is I can then go to the library and type in lets say "airport" and I have every person that is talking about the airport, all b-roll for the airport and all pics for the airport (because I have key worded those pics and b-roll).


I will admit that the initial logging this way may be slower then how I was doing it but when it comes to editing I more than make up the speed.

I find the bites fast and I know how good they are without re-watching them by those ex marks that I put there and the description.

I think if I could do this and have the playhead keep moving while I'm doing it, I would like it even
more : )


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Justin Crowell
Re: Undo range selection
on Feb 19, 2014 at 4:32:35 pm

Thanks Tony. That seems like a pretty good system. It'd be nice if FCPX gave us some sort of priority tags other than favorite or reject, though that might bog us down into FCP7 territory. Better yet, maybe they could make available customizable global tags that would color the clips? Now maybe I'm just gettin' crazy...

I still think, however, that the biggest problem is that I have to favorite, stop playback, grab the mouse, click the favorite and hit enter, title it, and then restart playback. Also...are you able to unfavorite multiple ranges at once? I can't seem to figure out how to do that.

If Apple were to institute a more formalized logging system--something that combines the flexibility of keyframing with the unique naming approach of favoriting, and adds back in the efficiency I really need, then I would be REALLY excited...

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tony west
Re: Undo range selection
on Feb 19, 2014 at 5:04:42 pm

[Justin Crowell] "I still think, however, that the biggest problem is that I have to favorite, stop playback, grab the mouse, click the favorite and hit enter, title it, and then restart playback"

I hear you, I have been looking for a way around that for a while hahaha

I might end up stopping the playhead anyway because I'm not that fast of a typist : ) but it would be cool to have the option of letting it roll as you type for folks that can type fast.




[Justin Crowell] "are you able to unfavorite multiple ranges at once?"

Yeah, I believe if you select one of the favorites and then hold down shift and hit the up or down arrow to select multiple items, then hit "U"


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Nick Toth
Re: Undo range selection
on Feb 20, 2014 at 8:04:11 pm
Last Edited By Nick Toth on Feb 20, 2014 at 8:22:57 pm

[Justin Crowell] "I still think, however, that the biggest problem is that I have to favorite, stop playback, grab the mouse, click the favorite and hit enter, title it, and then restart playback. Also...are you able to unfavorite multiple ranges at once? I can't seem to figure out how to do that."

How about this:

In list view select clip and hit play
Mark in / Mark out for your first selection and then hit F to favorite.
with clip still playing you can then Tab to the favorite, hit enter to open text box, enter text to name favorite, hit enter to close text box, hit shift-tab to take you back to the still playing clip and continue. If you have to back up use jkl keys.

also - in list view command click to select multiple favorites you don't want and then hit "U"

does this help?

PS - I just tried re-mapping I and O to "set additional range start" and "set additional range end". That works in the event viewer and you don't need modifier keys but you have to change them back to use I/O in the timeline. I guess you could have a set of key commands just for logging and another for editing?

anickt


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Andy Neil
Re: Undo range selection
on Feb 19, 2014 at 6:00:49 am

[Justin Crowell] "Andy: for your method do you work like this?
1) Set In
2) Set Out
3) CMD+K, type keyword (or keywords)
4) Hit Escape
5) Repeat!"


Pretty much. I use the shortcuts a lot too.

Andy

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Michael Angelo
Re: Undo range selection
on Sep 1, 2014 at 7:28:15 am

Thank goodness FCPX is evolving, guess it's up to us to keep giving them feedback and finding work arounds till the software catches up with the Pros...

Picking just the right in or out point sometimes takes a bit of effort, back timing calculations, that perfect moment in a music video. Undo when accidentally losing a mark is standard functionality in most edit systems for 20 years now for good reason, it took effort to make that choice!

I am hoping everyone submits feedback to Apple that undo when marking is essential and it's omission a gross oversight.

Meanwhile relational database editing is definitely the future, so I'm in like rest of you to find a way to make things work in the meantime...

M

PS Another one is the inability to edit a keyword in or out point in the event viewer. The field is there, can't be that difficult to code.

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