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Oscar Bucco
How to remove splice from multicam clip?
on Dec 14, 2013 at 6:33:25 am

HI Friends,

Is there a way to remove a splice from a multicam clip in FCPX? In other words,sometimes I am cutting between several angles and I create multiple splices in the clip and then realize I don't want some of them and want to combine a couple shots into one. Of course, I could select one side of the splice and change the angle to match the other side of the splice so in effect there would be a splice between two sections of the same clip - and this is what I have been doing - but then if you add a camera movement in post or other effects, etc. you have to add it to both clips and it complicates things, especially with keyframes. It would be great if I could simply select the splice and disappear it. Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Oscar


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David Eaks
Re: How to remove splice from multicam clip?
on Dec 14, 2013 at 6:53:41 am

Yup, just select the splice and hit delete.


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Oscar Bucco
Re: How to remove splice from multicam clip?
on Dec 14, 2013 at 6:58:25 am

Wow - embarrassingly simple! I thought I tried that already - I think I used the wrong delete key I guess. In any event, I'm working on this right now so thanks so much for the fast response!

_OB


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Oscar Bucco
Re: How to remove splice from multicam clip?
on Dec 14, 2013 at 6:59:07 am

Thank you!


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David Eaks
Re: How to remove splice from multicam clip?
on Dec 14, 2013 at 9:09:53 am

No problem!


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Andreas Kiel
Re: How to remove splice from multicam clip?
on Dec 14, 2013 at 9:33:10 am

I had the same or similar question before, but no successful answer on that.

So how to you do that exactly?

- Andreas

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David Eaks
Re: How to remove splice from multicam clip?
on Dec 14, 2013 at 9:55:22 am
Last Edited By David Eaks on Dec 14, 2013 at 9:56:51 am

Same as "remove through edit" in FCP7, select the edit point and delete it. But it only works on Multicam clips in FCPX.

Hopefully 10.1 will bring back this function for regular clips.

They're also talking about it in the Merry Christmas thread.


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Andreas Kiel
Re: How to remove splice from multicam clip?
on Dec 14, 2013 at 10:14:14 am

Thanks!

I thought I must be a wally not to get this working. But as it is only working for multicam clips I feel calmed a little.

- Andreas

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David Eaks
Re: How to remove splice from multicam clip?
on Dec 14, 2013 at 10:16:39 am

Yeah, it's one of those things you just expect to be there.


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Andreas Kiel
Re: How to remove splice from multicam clip?
on Dec 14, 2013 at 10:32:22 am

As said I gave up on that at the time I needed it and did it with some tedious manual steps.

But somehow its logical that it is not working.
It is one of the disadvantages of trackless editing.
So if you got a cut thru in the primary storyline and delete it all clips connected to the 2 (or more parts) have to be reordered/relinked.
And that's quite a challenge.

- Andreas

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David Eaks
Re: How to remove splice from multicam clip?
on Dec 14, 2013 at 11:46:25 am

I see what you mean and how it could be a challenge. Removing the through edit essentially deletes the second half of the clip and replaces it with an extend edit. Potentially deleting any connected clips.

In fact the UI animation when deleting an angle change looks a lot like that is what's happening. The edit point zooms off to the right when deleted, as if to overwrite the latter portion of the clip.

Although I've never had a problem with connected clips being deleted, losing their position or their stack order when deleting through edits in multicam clips. I figure that behavior could be implemented into regular clips just the same, they've done it pretty well already.

We'll see if they did very soon.


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Don Smith
Re: How to remove splice from multicam clip?
on Dec 14, 2013 at 12:52:17 pm

OK. Follow me on this…

Two clips side-by-side. A connected clip is attached to the second (right) clip. We're talking regular clips here. Not Multicam clips although it might work on a MC clip if you've bladed it to eliminate dead space.

You want the first clip (on the left) to extend and replace the second clip but not disturb the connected clip attached to it.

Select the second clip and DELETE it using the DELETE key that is next to the HOME and END buttons. NOT the backspace key sometimes called the DELETE key in the upper right of the main group of keys.

That turns the second clip into a GAP clip. NOW, the TRIM mode will extend the first clip over the GAP clip all the way to the end. If you had not turned the second clip into a GAP clip, then the trim mode will fail to go all the way through the second clip only coming within one frame of the end of the second clip thus leaving you with a rogue single frame of the original second clip.

In short, turn the second clip into a GAP clip before trimming the first clip to entirely replace the second clip without disturbing any connected clips.

Don Smith

NewsVideo.com


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Andreas Kiel
Re: How to remove splice from multicam clip?
on Dec 14, 2013 at 1:32:30 pm

Don,

I didn't see your reply cause I was typing always a bit while waiting for renders to be finished.

Excellent workaround (same as what I wrote) described perfectly in short.

Thanks
Andreas

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Andreas Kiel
Re: How to remove splice from multicam clip?
on Dec 14, 2013 at 1:26:48 pm
Last Edited By Andreas Kiel on Dec 14, 2013 at 1:36:16 pm

David,

Here a screenshot and why I hate trackless in this case.



It's stereoscopic 3D projects (some about 50 minutes long others shorter) - each just one clip i.e. two recorded with two cams.
As there is no app I know which does a reliable stabilize of a 50 minute clip I finally decided to use the Coremelt Lock&Load with FCPX (I tried FCPX, Resolve and AE 3D Warp before).
To get good results you have to apply the stabilization to parts of the clip(s) – this is trial and error work since you to have to figure out where the best "start" for stabilization of the part is. No app (from my knowledge) allows to stabilize parts of a clip without splicing it.

With kind of best guess I spliced the 2 synched clips and made an analysis of it them just to figure out my guess was wrong. I tried the trim tool to modify the in/out – this works fine for the primary storyline but not for the clip(s) connected. Finally I solved it by using the "replace with gap" for the clips before and after the selection to be changed. It works but it's tedious – 8 actions or more with the need to adjust instead of the half of it with simple clicks.

Another thing I miss is to render regions – just setting an in and out and render the selection. That's why all the titles are there in the screenshot. You can use adjustment layers as well but I used titles as a replacement for markers.

-Andreas

Spherico
http://www.spherico.com/filmtools
X-Files Pro, tools for working with FCPX
http://www.spherico.com/filmtools/X-Files/index.html

"He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby
become a monster. And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will
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David Eaks
Re: How to remove splice from multicam clip?
on Dec 14, 2013 at 2:56:17 pm

Yeah, using forward delete to leave a gap clip and then either using the trim tool or extend edit (shift-x and in this case you must be in Position Mode) to overwrite the gap is probably the best "remove through edit" workaround.

With the second portion of the clip selected and play head/skimmer over it-
Forward delete, up, [, down, hold-P, shift-x, release-P

For rendering a range, you can blade the I/O points where you want to render, then undo the blades after the render finishes. The render will stay. Not elegant, I know. I bet the range tool will only become more powerful. I'm hoping for render range, blade range I/O, trim to range, copy range, option-drag range, loop range while adjusting effects etc. etc.

I have no experience with stereoscopic 3D but I imagine that having one eye on the primary and the other as connected clips could become somewhat awkward. Maybe building a fake non-magnetic track-based timeline would work. Stack a few secondary storylines and fill them with gap clips. You'd have to be sure to always edit in position mode or be very aware of what you doing, otherwise everything could get messed up really quick. Just a thought.


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Andreas Kiel
Re: How to remove splice from multicam clip?
on Dec 14, 2013 at 4:01:15 pm

Using titles as replacement for markers and setting regions is not a real bad workaround.
There had been the overlays in FCP legacy (though not when playing the timeline). Using titles in FCP legacy often enough required rendering for smooth playback, FCPX is way more comfortable in this case.
As for regions with titles I'm meanwhile somehow get used to it. Sometimes it's even better then setting I/Os in the timeline since I can save several I/Os and select them by the titles name. But I still don't know whether I should love or hate that.

- Andreas

Spherico
http://www.spherico.com/filmtools
X-Files Pro, tools for working with FCPX
http://www.spherico.com/filmtools/X-Files/index.html

"He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby
become a monster. And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will
also gaze into thee." - Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil


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Bret Williams
Re: How to remove splice from multicam clip?
on Dec 14, 2013 at 9:11:08 pm

Unless you're a premiere user, where this concept arrived this July!


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