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Jeremy Garchow
4k Bug?
on Oct 30, 2013 at 5:45:15 pm

I am using a mixture of 4k and 1080 XAVC material in a 1080 timeline (Sony F55).

I am using the canvas of the 4k clips to reposition interviews in a 1080 timeline to cover cuts.

When I add a secondary storyline to a 4k clip, the clips properties change from 4k to 1080, and I lose my reposition capabilities. I then have to match frame back to the original 4k material, replace it in the timeline, and after that the 4k parameters stick. If I undo to before I added the secondary, the clips goes back to 4k. Seems rather buggy.

It's annoying if I have made adjustments to audio added filters, etc, as I have to remember to copy and paste everything back in to place.

Is anyone else seeing this?

That is, 4k clips turn to 1080 when adding a connected secondary storyline?

You can check the clip properties in the info window and watch it happen.


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Eugeny Korkhin
Re: 4k Bug?
on Oct 30, 2013 at 6:35:19 pm

Jeremy,

I constantly see the same behavior of clips (changing its properties) with HD files in SD timeline. Frame size changes to 720*576. I haven't found any dependancies. My recent timeline has HD clips on Primary, i'm sure they have never been in Secondary. But at some moment they've lost properties. May be after consolidating project, or after relinking some files, or somehow noone knows how... That's really annoying.


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: 4k Bug?
on Oct 30, 2013 at 6:39:39 pm

Thanks!

I will file a bug.

Jeremy


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: 4k Bug?
on Oct 30, 2013 at 6:52:49 pm

By the way, this only happens when putting a clip in a secondary storyline.

If I simply connect a clip, the primary clip remains 4k.


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Eugeny Korkhin
Re: 4k Bug?
on Oct 30, 2013 at 7:20:32 pm

I'm on 10.0.7, if that matters. And i must say, that changed properties affect the image quality. If i drop a "fresh" instance of the same clip on top (or add to audition) i can see the difference between two - "corrupted" clip looks a bit more blurry.


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: 4k Bug?
on Oct 30, 2013 at 8:12:14 pm

Probably because the spatial conform is now set to something that it shouldn't be?


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Eugeny Korkhin
Re: 4k Bug?
on Oct 30, 2013 at 9:06:00 pm

Spatial conform remains unchanged - Fit. But you made me wonder, what will happen, if i set it to none? Will the clip scale up to 1920*1080 or it will sort of obey it's new properties? I will check that tomorrow, when i get to that project.


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David Eaks
Re: 4k Bug?
on Oct 30, 2013 at 9:25:25 pm

I also see the same behavior. With a 4K clip in the primary of an HD timeline, and an HD clip connected to it. Making the connected clip into a secondary storyline will cause the 4K clips frame size to change to 1920 x 1080.

Workaround- connect the connected clip to a different clip (preferably a clip with the same frame size as your project), make the connected clip into a secondary storylines, then Drag it back into position over the 4K clip. Frame size remains intact


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: 4k Bug?
on Oct 30, 2013 at 9:51:57 pm

Thanks, David.

[David Eaks] "Frame size remains intact"

Now try adding another clip to the secondary after you "reconnect" it to the orig 4k clip. Does it switch? Mine does.


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David Eaks
Re: 4k Bug?
on Oct 30, 2013 at 9:56:34 pm

Hmm, I'm not sure. I'm on the road, will check that in about 45min


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: 4k Bug?
on Oct 30, 2013 at 10:20:27 pm

Don't text and drive!!! :P

:-D


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David Eaks
Re: 4k Bug?
on Oct 30, 2013 at 10:52:39 pm

Haha for sure, I was meaning in the field, as opposed to currently driving ;)

Same behavior here, adding a clip to the secondary after the workaround causes the frame size bug again. Also, I tried messing with spatial conform settings after the bug, it doesn't bring the clip back to 4k.


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: 4k Bug?
on Oct 30, 2013 at 10:59:28 pm

Cool. Thanks for checking. It's messed up here, too.

I sent a bug report to Apple, lets hope they see it!


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Steve Connor
Re: 4k Bug?
on Oct 31, 2013 at 12:11:24 am

Apple are very good at picking up bug reports, FYI I can't reproduce the problem on my system.

Steve Connor

There's nothing we can't argue about on the FCPX COW Forum


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: 4k Bug?
on Oct 31, 2013 at 12:12:47 am

Thanks, Steve.

Are you working in 25p?


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Steve Connor
Re: 4k Bug?
on Oct 31, 2013 at 9:09:51 am

Yes

Steve Connor

There's nothing we can't argue about on the FCPX COW Forum


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Eugeny Korkhin
Re: 4k Bug?
on Nov 1, 2013 at 10:29:09 am

Things are even worse...
I've created SD sequence, put one HD clip (clip "A") on main and connected another (clip "B") to it. Now, I only have to Disable "B" clip to make "A" change its properties to 720x576. And if clip "A" had spatial conform set to None and re-framed some way, then it shrinks accordingly, as its 100% became 720x567. Easy way to make your timeline a mess...


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: 4k Bug?
on Nov 1, 2013 at 1:48:32 pm

I highly suggest contacting Apple and leaving feedback.

It does appear that they do track these types of bugs.

Jeremy


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Eugeny Korkhin
Re: 4k Bug?
on Nov 1, 2013 at 4:21:47 pm

I certainly have sent bug report.


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T. Payton
Re: 4k Bug?
on Nov 1, 2013 at 11:00:06 pm

FYI. I was able to reproduce this once, and now I can't. Bizzar.

The time I did see the bug I was able to get the special conform to "work" on "none" again by transforming the clip just a small amount and then, switching to "none" and then resetting the transformation.

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T. Payton
OneCreative, Albuquerque


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Eugeny Korkhin
Re: 4k Bug?
on Dec 23, 2013 at 5:50:02 am

Anyone knows if they have fixed this bug with 10.1?


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: 4k Bug?
on Dec 23, 2013 at 6:02:26 pm

This appears to have been fixed!!


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Eugeny Korkhin
Re: 4k Bug?
on Dec 24, 2013 at 6:05:19 am

Thanks for reply, Jeremy! Good news.


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