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Simon Luchini Duca
[FCP X 10.0.8] Best plugin (or techs) to fix Out of focus video
on Aug 12, 2013 at 4:52:14 am

[FCP X 10.0.8] Best plugin (or techs) to fix Out of focus video

Hallo everybody,
I'm searching a solution to fin a way to fix an out of focus clip...
Any ideas about it? Plugin or meybe techs to fix this problem in FCP X?

Many thanks!


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James Cude
Re: [FCP X 10.0.8] Best plugin (or techs) to fix Out of focus video
on Aug 12, 2013 at 5:17:40 am

It's called the "Reshoot" Filter or spend a *lot* of dough at a visual effects house...


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Simon Luchini Duca
Re: [FCP X 10.0.8] Best plugin (or techs) to fix Out of focus video
on Aug 12, 2013 at 5:24:36 am

Unfortunately, I can-t reshoot...


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David Eaks
Re: [FCP X 10.0.8] Best plugin (or techs) to fix Out of focus video
on Aug 12, 2013 at 8:00:06 am

NEAT Video has a decent sharpening capability, but it will not come out as if it was shot in focus. Is the video way out of focus, or just a little?


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Simon Luchini Duca
Re: [FCP X 10.0.8] Best plugin (or techs) to fix Out of focus video
on Aug 12, 2013 at 8:03:32 am

Hi David,
of course just a little out of focus. I have Neat Video and I ll try it. I-m going to try also NewBlueFX Sharpen...


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David Eaks
Re: [FCP X 10.0.8] Best plugin (or techs) to fix Out of focus video
on Aug 12, 2013 at 2:01:43 pm

My definition of "way out of focus" is probably much less out of focus than it sounded. That said, I've had both good results with NEAT and also been unable to get the results I thought I should be able to. Being able to build a good profile is important. If the image needs any noise reduction, you might even do two passes. One pass of noise reduction and an almost imperceptible amount of sharpening, then a real sharpening pass. Like Mark said, it all depends greatly on the composition and subject.

For example, a locked down shot of a talking head who has no hand gestures that go off the sides of the screen and is in front of a flat detail-free background. The image could be slightly scaled down and layered over another full size copy, crop and feathered to hide top and side edges, moved to the bottom of the screen and sharpened a little. Surely you don't have this ideal situation though. Could you post a freeze frame from the video?


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Simon Luchini Duca
Re: [FCP X 10.0.8] Best plugin (or techs) to fix Out of focus video
on Aug 13, 2013 at 6:53:14 am

Okay, I of course attach a freeze shot:


I have Neat Video (for AE or Pre PRo ) as well, and I'm going to try with your kind help.
How you see, all is just little out of focus... maybe we can find a solution.
Many thanks!


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Anna Possberg
Re: [FCP X 10.0.8] Best plugin (or techs) to fix Out of focus video
on Aug 12, 2013 at 8:04:42 am

Agree with James Cude, the best thing is to reshoot or just forget the clip. But if you want you can play around in Motion with the Sharp effect


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Simon Luchini Duca
Re: [FCP X 10.0.8] Best plugin (or techs) to fix Out of focus video
on Aug 12, 2013 at 8:12:52 am

Of course would be better reshoot... but is simply impossible!


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Emiliano Tidona
Re: [FCP X 10.0.8] Best plugin (or techs) to fix Out of focus video
on Aug 12, 2013 at 9:46:53 am

It will never look sharp. You can fool a unexperienced client by adding more blur on the border of the image, leaving the subject untouched by the blur and a little sharpened. This is a trick more than a technique and produces very poor quality images, so please forget what I told ;)


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Bob Woodhead
Re: [FCP X 10.0.8] Best plugin (or techs) to fix Out of focus video
on Aug 12, 2013 at 11:25:50 am

Yeah, the above comments, ya can't fix "garbage in". How about treating the footage heavily so there's something else to distract the viewer from the focus.

"Constituo, ergo sum"

Bob Woodhead / Atlanta
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"What a long strange trip it's been...."


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Mark Smith
Re: [FCP X 10.0.8] Best plugin (or techs) to fix Out of focus video
on Aug 12, 2013 at 11:47:54 am

An editor friend of mine once defined one of the difference between a DP and an editor. He said : As an editor I can screw around with my material all day and if it isn't working I can hit the "undo" key a bunch of time and get back to a place I like better. DP 's don't have "undo" keys like editors, if they undo, its all real time undo, - move the key light 5 feet left and 3 feet back. This is why DP's get paid the big bucks "

Unfortunately if you didnt get the image right in camera the first time, no plug in will save your focus issue. I can pretty much guarantee you the first person that creates a plug in that does refocusing in post in post will make a fortune or two.


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Simon Luchini Duca
Re: [FCP X 10.0.8] Best plugin (or techs) to fix Out of focus video
on Aug 12, 2013 at 12:53:16 pm

˜Right Mark, but I-m just saying that I-ve only a little out of focus. Therefore, I tried to ask if a plugin could help. Anywhare, I0m ready some interesting articles in internet about techs can help to fix (just a little) this problem.


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Mark Smith
Re: [FCP X 10.0.8] Best plugin (or techs) to fix Out of focus video
on Aug 12, 2013 at 1:07:16 pm

Right but .... the effects of solutions you try may can vary widely depending on the composition of the image... and by that i mean the contents of the frame. What might sort of work for one frame will be totally wrong for another frame


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Simon Luchini Duca
Re: [FCP X 10.0.8] Best plugin (or techs) to fix Out of focus video
on Aug 12, 2013 at 1:33:04 pm

of course, but I'm going to try if I find an acceptable solution.


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David Battistella
Re: [FCP X 10.0.8] Best plugin (or techs) to fix Out of focus video
on Aug 13, 2013 at 9:48:06 am

Enough people have lectured you in this thread about re-shooting which you have stated you can not.

This might be the best way to deal with the problem.

Perhaps you can try to put a soft mask on the image and sharpen only the face to the point where it is acceptable and then leave the background where it is.

You can do this easily in Resolve and adjust the softening sharpening parameters. Sharpen the inside a little (the face) and soften the outside more (the background) to create more of a separation.

Use a couple of nodes to achieve this effect.

David

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Simon Luchini Duca
Re: [FCP X 10.0.8] Best plugin (or techs) to fix Out of focus video
on Aug 13, 2013 at 10:00:43 am

Thanks David,
I (unfortunately...) have no experience with Resolve.
I'm going to try something in Neat Video.


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Brett Sherman
Re: [FCP X 10.0.8] Best plugin (or techs) to fix Out of focus video
on Aug 13, 2013 at 9:41:11 pm

If you haven't missed the focus on occasion, you haven't been in this business very long. The fact is, it has happened to everyone. Especially when you're interviewer, camera person, audio person, and producer all at the same time.

Unsharp Mask is a good method for sharpening. It doesn't come with FCP X, but Alex Goliner has a free one here.

http://blog.alex4d.com/2012/02/12/blurs-7-free-fcpx-effects/



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Simon Luchini Duca
Re: [FCP X 10.0.8] Best plugin (or techs) to fix Out of focus video
on Aug 14, 2013 at 5:20:55 am

The fact is, it has happened to everyone. <b>Especially when you're interviewer, camera person, audio person, and producer all at the same time</b>.

Thanks Brett!
After this fact I bought a 7" control monitor and a View finder for my SDRL. Focus is too much important...!


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Simon Luchini Duca
Re: [FCP X 10.0.8] Best plugin (or techs) to fix Out of focus video
on Aug 14, 2013 at 5:41:28 am

http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/unsharp-mask.htm


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Simon Luchini Duca
Re: [FCP X 10.0.8] Best plugin (or techs) to fix Out of focus video
on Aug 14, 2013 at 8:16:34 am

Hallo everybody,
I applied "Sharpen" (by NewblueFX Essential I) and was really impressive. But... it generated many noise... but...
after I applied Neat video and the result is AWESOME!



Of course, clip was not drastically out of focus...


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Walter Soyka
Re: [FCP X 10.0.8] Best plugin (or techs) to fix Out of focus video
on Aug 14, 2013 at 2:56:29 pm

I see that you've already got a solution in place -- glad to hear it. I'll add a technique that's useful with any sharpening tool.

The most important thing to sharpen is the subject's eyes, because that is where most viewers will focus their attention.

If overall sharpening is adding too many artifacts, you can back that off a bit. In other words, sharpen clothing very little, sharpen the face just a little bit more, sharpen the eyes the most. This may require masking and tracking for moving subjects, but if done well, it can help salvage the shot.

Walter Soyka
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Simon Luchini Duca
Re: [FCP X 10.0.8] Best plugin (or techs) to fix Out of focus video
on Aug 15, 2013 at 11:57:17 am

Right Walter, great idea!
My case was not so complicated but in case of critic out of focus... I think your idea could be great.

Thx!


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Drew Lahat
Re: [FCP X 10.0.8] Best plugin (or techs) to fix Out of focus video
on Jun 23, 2014 at 1:36:26 am

For posterity, and to second Walter Soyka: indeed, focus on sharpening the eyes (pun intended). This is relatively easy in e.g. Resolve, where you'd draw a mask around the eyes, track it, and sharpen. You get a minimal amount of noise because you're avoiding all the uniform areas like cheeks and backgrounds. I've found it to be the best trade-off between improved sharpness, artifacts, and ease of use.
NewblueFX Sharpen + Neat DeNoiser, as well as Photoshop's Smart Sharpen, are also great to try if you have the time.


I've had several years of distinct experience in each of those 3 roles (editor, DP, and focus puller), so I'm very well aware of the implications of focus pulling. There's a reason why in cinematography focus-pulling is its own position, and why the 1st AC is the first person who gets fired on set when such things go wrong :)


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Frank Stäudtner
"smart sharpen" filter - Photoshop
on Aug 15, 2013 at 9:45:57 am

Another Idea:
You could also experiment with the astonishing capabilties of the "smart sharpen" filter in Photoshop. It has special mode for removing lens blur.
best wishes, frank


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Simon Luchini Duca
Re: "smart sharpen" filter - Photoshop
on Aug 15, 2013 at 11:59:00 am

Hi Frank,
uhm.. but I can't image to use that great) filter in a video...


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matt pence
Re: "smart sharpen" filter - Photoshop
on Aug 17, 2013 at 10:59:33 pm

You can definitely process video files with Photoshop.

import your video
convert it to a smart object (Layer/Smart Objects/Convert to Smart Object)
apply your filters
export it (Export/Render to Video)

If you need to export as prores422, you will need to install the adobe prores presets,
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/thankyou.jsp?ftpID=5411&fileID=5030

here is a discussion on installing the prores presets.
http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/3/926026#938344

thanks for the tip on the smart sharpen in photoshop, Frank. I'm excited to experiment with it.


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Simon Luchini Duca
Re: "smart sharpen" filter - Photoshop
on Aug 18, 2013 at 5:00:51 am

Wow, i didn-t know that... many thanks!


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