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Justin powell
How should I incorporate 60p & Speed Change clips into 24p multicam clips.
on Jul 28, 2013 at 7:39:03 am

I shot a music video recently on a 7D. I have three varieties of clips:

24p
24p shot to slow playback, which needs to be sped up to 132% for sync
60p that needs to be conformed

How should I incorporate these clips into 24p multicam clips. Do I do all the conforming/speed changes in the multicam timeline after making the clip or is there a way to do it prior in the event browser and be able to take advantage of FCPX's syncing?

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Mark Morache
Re: How should I incorporate 60p & Speed Change clips into 24p multicam clips.
on Jul 28, 2013 at 8:03:31 am

Why not just toss it all into the timeline as it is?

Just make sure your project is set for the format you want for output.

There's a "conform speed" item in the speed menu that I've never used, but may conform the footage like Cinema Tools used to do, but all in the timeline.

I'd try it all in the timeline and see if you like the results before jumping through all kinds of hoops.

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Justin powell
Re: How should I incorporate 60p & Speed Change clips into 24p multicam clips.
on Jul 28, 2013 at 8:21:43 am

Im trying to get my cutting speed up to push through a bottle neck of freelance. Figured I ought to take advantage of the time saving features within the applications Im using.

Just recently had my first dance with FCPX multicam editing and want to use it to cut the the different takes of shots with this music video to both expedite the cutting and create a more minimalist timeline/project and compound clips. As far as I cant tell, though, you can only create a multicam clip from event browser and not the timeline/project. I would love to be wrong on that.

The conform option does exactly that, works really well in my experience. I love all the retiming stuff in FCPX so far.

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Nicholas Zimmerman
Re: How should I incorporate 60p & Speed Change clips into 24p multicam clips.
on Jul 28, 2013 at 7:25:54 pm

Your clips wouldn't sync if they were already conformed. I'd recommend creating a test multicam, place sample cuts to each angle, then select it and hit conform speed in the timeline. I know multicam works with different framerates, and I think once you get the cuts you should be able to conform (Which would knock the one clip out of sync). Never tried this, but think it should work.

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Justin powell
Re: How should I incorporate 60p & Speed Change clips into 24p multicam clips.
on Jul 28, 2013 at 9:17:03 pm

In hindsight, the 60p footage isn't really a factor in my question. Apologies. But the clips that ARE would be the 24p shot to normal speed playback and the 24p clips shots to slow playback that will sync when sped up(the 60p stuff is just cutaway/narrative inserts). Are there speed changes that can be done within the event browser to these slow playback clips so the multicam function can use audio to sync as at that point the audio would be the same?

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Bill Davis
Re: How should I incorporate 60p & Speed Change clips into 24p multicam clips.
on Jul 29, 2013 at 2:16:47 am

Not sure I'm getting this.

X will map the frame rates to the timeline settings. Generally there's no need to pre-set or pre-conform frame rates. I mix 24, 23.97, 29.97 and 30 frame sources all the time and X seems to handle the pull ups ad pull downs without blinking. I don't do much work in 60. But I'd be surprised if it was much different. If it speeds it up or slows it down, just use the retime function to make it right.

Generally, with X you should always try the simplest things first and just establish the project settings you need for output - import whatever you've got - and see if X conforms stuff to your satisfaction. It's not particularly finicky about what you throw into it.

That's not saying X can't ever get the time base of clips wrong. But there are plenty of tools (as you've discovered" for retiming stuff once it's in the program.

X is generally really good at mixed format ingest., IME.

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Ronny Courtens
Re: How should I incorporate 60p & Speed Change clips into 24p multicam clips.
on Jul 29, 2013 at 7:46:23 am

Hi Justin,

You mention "24p shot to slow playback, which needs to be sped up to 132% for sync".

Select one of these clips in the Event Browser and check the Info tab in the Inspector. What is the frame rate of the clip? As the 7D only has frame rate settings for 24, 30 or 60fps my guess is this footage has been shot at 29,97 fps. Is that correct?



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Nathan Adam
Re: How should I incorporate 60p & Speed Change clips into 24p multicam clips.
on Jul 30, 2013 at 4:28:33 am

I believe what he's saying is the potentially problematic clips were shot at 24p, but against audio playback that was slowed down from the audio of the other clips (to get that "they're singing the song but somehow it feels like slow-mo" vibe).
As far as I know you'd have to pull those clips into their own timeline, speed them up 132%, export the file as a new clip, then import THAT clip to have it 1) join the multicam at the correct speed from the event browser


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