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Jack Niedenthal
up-converting 720 to 1080 for HDCAM transfer in FCPX
on Jul 13, 2013 at 7:11:25 am

I shot a short film at 1280x720/24 fps. I needed to up-convert the project to 1920x1080 to transfer the film to HDCAM. What I did was select the entire project on the timeline, copied it, then made a new timeline that was 1920x1080 and pasted the entire project in it, waited for it to render, then exported (also used the ProRes 422 HQ setting). It looks fine, but I am wondering if there is a better way to up-convert in FCPX or another software...?

Jack Niedenthal
Microwave Films of the Marshall Islands
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http://www.microwavefilms.org/Crickets.html
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Jeff Kirkland
Re: up-converting 720 to 1080 for HDCAM transfer in FCPX
on Jul 14, 2013 at 10:26:59 am

I've got no real reasonto say it but I think I'd use Resolve to do the upscaling. You get a lot more control over how the scaling is done.

Jeff Kirkland | Video Producer | Southern Creative Media | Melbourne Australia
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Nicholas Zimmerman
Re: up-converting 720 to 1080 for HDCAM transfer in FCPX
on Jul 14, 2013 at 4:39:49 pm

I second the use of Resolve. It's got a great algorithm for resampling your image.

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Jack Niedenthal
Re: up-converting 720 to 1080 for HDCAM transfer in FCPX
on Jul 15, 2013 at 12:49:44 am

I know this may be asking a lot, but I am just lost here. I downloaded Resolve Lite. Could you give me a workflow for up-converting my video? It is currently sitting in FCPX in a 1280x720 timeline and I need it in 1920x1080 in as best quality as possible.

Jack Niedenthal
Microwave Films of the Marshall Islands
http://www.microwavefilms.org
http://www.microwavefilms.org/Crickets.html
iMac i7 using Mountain Lion 10.8.x, HPX 170 using only one 64GB card
I live on an island in the middle of the Pacific, YOU are my only resource.


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Nicholas Zimmerman
Re: up-converting 720 to 1080 for HDCAM transfer in FCPX
on Jul 15, 2013 at 1:08:16 am

Export an fcpxml out of FCPX. Open up Resolve, double click on "Admin" (you can always set up a proper DB with users later) and go to the conform tab on the bottom. Right click in the box in the upper right it's something like "Timelines" I think, and select "Import XML" (should have other options like EDL). Select your FCPXML and change the sequence size to 1080P. I'm doing this off of memory, so things might be a little off. Select the color tab at the bottom and go to the icons above the lower middle box, about six or seven icons in you should get to the PTZR settings. Adjust the zoom if it's off, hit the delivery tab, and choose FCP Round trip. If you've got funky names (:;/ etc) choose to change names, otherwise leave them be. Make sure the resolution is set properly, and choose and location for it to render out. Add the job, then start the queue. Afterwards there should be an FCPXML in the render folder that you can import into FCPX.

This is a LOT more trouble than just doing it in FCPX. X renders everything in 32 bit floating points with a damn good renderer, just not as great at resizing as Resolve. If you wanted to do this in X just duplicate the project (don't include renders), change the resolution settings in the inspector to 1080P, and make sure Spatial Conform is set to fill for all of your clips. Much easier.

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Jeff Kirkland
Re: up-converting 720 to 1080 for HDCAM transfer in FCPX
on Jul 15, 2013 at 1:18:36 am

Or because you're not doing anything other than an up-res, you could export the 720p version from FCPX, add it to the resolve media pool, conform it and export at 1080p. No need for any messing around with XML, etc.

Jeff Kirkland | Video Producer | Southern Creative Media | Melbourne Australia
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Nicholas Zimmerman
Re: up-converting 720 to 1080 for HDCAM transfer in FCPX
on Jul 15, 2013 at 1:20:06 am

Can't believe I didn't think of that. Just wasted like ten minutes typing that on my iPad.

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Jack Niedenthal
Re: up-converting 720 to 1080 for HDCAM transfer in FCPX
on Jul 15, 2013 at 1:34:17 am

I really appreciate the responses. When you say "conform it" in Resolve, what should I be doing there? I've looked around in Conform and I am not sure what I am supposed to do. I see when I get to "Delivery" it asks me to set all kinds of options, etc., I think I understand that part...

Jack Niedenthal
Microwave Films of the Marshall Islands
http://www.microwavefilms.org
http://www.microwavefilms.org/Crickets.html
iMac i7 using Mountain Lion 10.8.x, HPX 170 using only one 64GB card
I live on an island in the middle of the Pacific, YOU are my only resource.


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Nicholas Zimmerman
Re: up-converting 720 to 1080 for HDCAM transfer in FCPX
on Jul 15, 2013 at 1:36:27 am

Conforming is your editorial area. It's where you can make edit decisions within Resolve. Think of it as a mini FCP in Resolve.

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Jack Niedenthal
Re: up-converting 720 to 1080 for HDCAM transfer in FCPX
on Jul 15, 2013 at 1:41:52 am

Ok, I thought so. But if I have no more need of editing (I did all that in FCPX), then should I just move on to the Delivery tab?

Thank you so much for helping me.

Jack Niedenthal
Microwave Films of the Marshall Islands
http://www.microwavefilms.org
http://www.microwavefilms.org/Crickets.html
iMac i7 using Mountain Lion 10.8.x, HPX 170 using only one 64GB card
I live on an island in the middle of the Pacific, YOU are my only resource.


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Nicholas Zimmerman
Re: up-converting 720 to 1080 for HDCAM transfer in FCPX
on Jul 15, 2013 at 1:43:15 am

Yeah, just drop your flat clip on the timeline in conform, double check that it's zoomed properly and head to Delivery.

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Dave Gage
Re: up-converting 720 to 1080 for HDCAM transfer in FCPX
on Jul 15, 2013 at 3:03:34 am

[Jeff Kirkland] "Or because you're not doing anything other than an up-res, you could export the 720p version from FCPX, add it to the resolve media pool, conform it and export at 1080p. No need for any messing around with XML, etc."

Jeff,

Along those lines... if you took the 720p Pro Res export from FCPX and then brought it back into FCPX and put it in a 1080p project and then exported it, would it be much worse than doing basically the same thing in Resolve? Is Resolve that much better than FCPX for up-res?

I have zero experience with Resolve, but am considering downloading the Lite version, if for nothing else, this aspect.

Thanks,
Dave


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Nicholas Zimmerman
Re: up-converting 720 to 1080 for HDCAM transfer in FCPX
on Jul 15, 2013 at 3:05:46 am

http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/software

They talk about it in the Optical Reframing section.

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Dave Gage
Re: up-converting 720 to 1080 for HDCAM transfer in FCPX
on Jul 18, 2013 at 9:17:09 pm

[Dave Gage] "
Along those lines... if you took the 720p Pro Res export from FCPX and then brought it back into FCPX and put it in a 1080p project and then exported it, would it be much worse than doing basically the same thing in Resolve? Is Resolve that much better than FCPX for up-res?"


Well, Jack just answered my question here:
http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/344/22011#22015

"I up-converted our entire 80 minute feature length production (shot in 720/24p) to 1920x1080 by doing the following:

duplicate your project but define the resolution as 1920x1080 (as opposed to having it set by the first clip of the project) and do not duplicate by copying over rendered files. This will cause your project to be re-rendered at 1920x1080 in FCPX. I then exported the file using Apple ProRes 422 HQ.

I then took this file and had it transferred to HDCAM. The film showed at the Hawaii International FIlm Festival and at the Los Angeles Asian Pacific Film Festival in theaters, and while there was a bit of resolution loss, it looked fine to me (of course, it was mu child, why wouldn't it). I continue to search for better methods. You can download Davinci Resolve Lite for free, that can also do this, but I noticed no difference and indeed thought FCPX did a slightly better job."


Has anyone else done this test before and had similar or dis-similar conclusions?

Thanks,
Dave


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Keith Slavin
Re: up-converting 720 to 1080 for HDCAM transfer in FCPX
on Jul 15, 2013 at 4:56:42 am

Hi Jack,

"but I am wondering if there is a better way to up-convert in FCPX or another software...?"

Are you not quite happy with your results? if so, you may want to try isovideo's rescape (a fast, highest-quality GPU-based video scaler available, with natural-looking edge enhancement, absolutely no ringing, etc). If you like, you can contact isovideo, with a short clip for free testing. Rescape is part of our Viarte standarcs-conversion/transcoding server to be released soon.


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Bernhard Grininger
Re: up-converting 720 to 1080 for HDCAM transfer in FCPX
on Jul 16, 2013 at 5:10:12 pm

Hi!

Really interesting. But why does it have to be once again a server-solution,
for probably at least $ 20.000 I'd guess?

How are the chances for a simple&affordable drag&drop app for OSX?
with a reasonable price in the range of FCP-X?

Best regards,
Bernhard


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Keith Slavin
Re: up-converting 720 to 1080 for HDCAM transfer in FCPX
on Jul 17, 2013 at 7:50:25 pm

Hi Bernhard,

"why does it have to be once again a server-solution, for probably at least $ 20.000 I'd guess?"

Since all isovideo's products run only on linux machines, for the Mac and Windows users we provide a mountable, drag-and drop server.

Viarte is a GPU accelerated, highly configurable and flexible file-based standards-conversion/transcoding server with unique adjustable motion blur. It enables one to cost effectively streamline their multi-purpose media standards conversions needs, with video quality that can rival or exceed the best in the class, whether in hardware or software.

To our best knowledge, there is no other drag-and drop standards conversion/transcoding product on the market yet.

To see our Rescape scaler quality, please check out our "rotating-scaled video" on Youtube:

"crowd_run 1080p50 converted to 1080p30 with 180 degree simulated motion blur added"






If you can, download the 1080p version from there.

Rescape can be bough separately from Viarte as a Linux tool.

Best regards,
Keith


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