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Lucas Barros
FCP X Media Management Nightmare!
on Jun 13, 2013 at 1:26:09 pm

So, I am editing a videoclip I shot with a 5DMII and a 7D.
I made different takes with the band playing in various speeds using a reference timecode on an ipad.
Put the clips on a timeline each at a time, conformed them to the realtime speed and exported into individual clips. After that what I got is a 12 clips multicam.
I am editing on a Macbook Pro Retina 15" with an external USB3 drive, so of course FCPX can't give me realtime. What I did was creating a proxy for the multiclip which I used to edit, grade, use plugins and effects etc and etc...
Well, it worked like a charm. The clip was finished, I was happy, the band was happy, all was good!
Until....
I set FCPX to change from the proxys to the original media - and as it takes a while to that I went out for a cuppa - but forgot to turn off the automatic sleep for the external drive - HUGE MISTAKE.
When I came back the drive was off line and the media was "gone" (red). I turned off FCPX, reconnected the drive, and turned FCPX on again only to find that it couldn't reconnect the media. So I checked both the "Original Media" and "Proxy Media" FCPX folders and both were empty and ALL my media was in the trashbin.
Ok I thought, turned off FCPX again, dragged the media to their folders, which took me a long time as I had to check which was which (original x proxy) and after that done, turned on FCPX again, only to find that it wouldn't reconnect the media.
Then I used the "relink media" option only to find out that "the clips were modified blah blah blah" and they wouldn't relink.
So now I was stuck.
It was devastating to see a 10 days work lost without and chance of getting it back.
I eventually found a work around which was to import the 12 clips again, make a new multicam clip, put it on the project, on top of where the old "blacked out media multicam" was and go cut by cut recutting my new multicam. As I didn't want to create new proxys, it took me a while to finish that.
Now I will do the new grading and effects and hopefully will finish the clip this weekend.

What I want to talk about is: anyone ever had this problem or a similar one?
What did you guys do?
Is the relink media really that cr@ppy where I can't relink a different clip if that's what I want?
(I did it all the time in FCP legacy).

I am a multi-plataform editor, I use Premiere, FCPX, FCP Legacy and Avid. Whatever I think suits better for the job, but this kind of media management problem will really really put me off FCPX. I can't have that kind of problem in a bigger job right? Hopefully the videoclip was for some friends band and not a paid job so I could have the time for fixing it.

If anyone wants to have a look on the first cut of the video, waaaaay before these problems and with only a test for color correction, here's a link:
https://vimeo.com/67597694
PW: bajuda

Thanks for any thoughts and words, I just needed to "unburden" myself as it was a looooong night...lol
:D
Take care!

Lucas de Barros
http://www.novelofilmes.com.br


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Ryan Holmes
Re: FCP X Media Management Nightmare!
on Jun 13, 2013 at 2:56:42 pm

Your problem seems to be more tied to FCPX than to a DSLR. You'll probably get a better response or feedback if you post this in the FCPX forums:
http://forums.creativecow.net/finalcutprox
or
http://forums.creativecow.net/fcpxtechnique

Ryan Holmes
http://www.ryanholmes.me
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Lucas Barros
Re: FCP X Media Management Nightmare!
on Jun 13, 2013 at 2:59:56 pm

Isn't this the FCPX forum?
Man...this sleepless night really got to me.

Txs a lot :D

Lucas de Barros
http://www.novelofilmes.com.br


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Ryan Holmes
Re: FCP X Media Management Nightmare!
on Jun 13, 2013 at 3:01:53 pm

No problem.

When in doubt just start clicking and typing till something happens! :-)

Ryan Holmes
http://www.ryanholmes.me
@CutColorPost


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Bret Williams
Re: FCP X Media Management Nightmare!
on Jun 13, 2013 at 5:13:13 pm

Yes. This is the FCP X techniques forum. Not sure what Ryan is smoking. ;)


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Lucas Barros
Re: FCP X Media Management Nightmare!
on Jun 13, 2013 at 5:54:30 pm

Txs Bret, I was starting to think that I was the one that had smoked something in my - outta - sleep!
:D

Lucas de Barros
http://www.novelofilmes.com.br


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James Cude
Re: FCP X Media Management Nightmare!
on Jun 13, 2013 at 6:31:00 pm

"Put the clips on a timeline each at a time, conformed them to the realtime speed and exported into individual clips."

Why not just edit at the shooting speed and use the Retime tool to conform instead of creating all new media and losing a generation? Also are you sure you reconnected back to the exports and not the original camera clips?


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Ryan Holmes
Re: FCP X Media Management Nightmare!
on Jun 13, 2013 at 7:03:18 pm

[Bret Williams] "Not sure what Ryan is smoking. ;)"

Only the good stuff!

This thread first appeared on the Canon DSLR forum (and still lives there):

http://forums.creativecow.net/canonmarkii
Original thread: http://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/344/21006?wfid=325

I'm guessing the admins saw it and moved it over to the appropriate forum. No harm. No foul. I just knew the DSLR people were probably not the best people to address a FCPX media management issue.

Ryan Holmes
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Bret Williams
Re: FCP X Media Management Nightmare!
on Jun 13, 2013 at 7:14:04 pm

I figured as much.


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Bill Davis
Re: FCP X Media Management Nightmare!
on Jun 13, 2013 at 7:39:19 pm

So let me try to break this down and see if I understand what you did.

You had a whole bunch of clips that needed all sorts of different processing as to speed and timing.

So you did some kind of "clip conform" (which, BTW, might have been largely unnecessary in X) to output them as NEW clips. What type of clips were those? Still H264 100mbps DSLR encodes? Did you transcode to ProRes? WHAT did you save them out as?

It's important because then you detached them from the originals by exporting then as new clips X will have no linkage to the original files it's expecting. SO you've CUT a link there.

And then it sounds like you've re-imported the same footage a second time.

Fine, now you have all new clips. But linked to which Event? The original one? A new one? It's important to know.

In whatever Event you appear to have made a multi-clip from these new clips. So whatever reference pointers there were to the original camera masters are now cut? And do we presume you have NEW links to footage of an unknown type?

But unless you created a whole new Event when you re-imported, your Event is now populated with BOTH references to the New imports - as well as the OLD imports.

You did a bunch of work. And X was happy, because all the pointers were to two batches of clips that it UNDERSTOOD the locations and links to.

Then you did the OOPs - and ALL the links got trashed.

And one among a lot of issues is that to bring back that original edit, you've kinda got to re-create ALL the links since the database in X wants to be ready and able to reference all the stuff you've told it you want to reference - even tho by exporting your "pre-comps" you ACTUALLY had a decision point as to whether to also cut off your initial EVENT and do a fresh one, or keep working in the original one that had all the links to the original DSLR files.

Or did I get this wrong? I'm haviing a bit of trouble following your workflow. So please let us know what you imported, when, how many or how few events you linked things to, and what types of transcoding you did along the way.

Without that, it's gonna be pretty hard to help you try to get to where you're going. At least for me. Because I'm not at all clear on how you actually got from point A to point B.

I'm not following your metadata flow very well at all. And since that's how X does everything - it's a bit tough to analyze where the problems might be.

I'll keep watching and hopefully can help when I understand better what happened.

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Lucas Barros
Re: FCP X Media Management Nightmare!
on Jun 13, 2013 at 8:12:37 pm

Here it goes:

[Bill Davis] "So you did some kind of "clip conform" (which, BTW, might have been largely unnecessary in X) to output them as NEW clips. What type of clips were those? Still H264 100mbps DSLR encodes? Did you transcode to ProRes? WHAT did you save them out as?"
Yeah, I did the conforming and exporting because I wanted to have clips all synced to the music and we shot in diferent speeds on camera. As I wanted to do the multicam clip to edit easier I figured out that exporting ProRes clips and creating proxys would be the only/best way of editing the multicam without lagging.
I didn't try to do a multicam with the original conformed clips tho.

[Bill Davis] "And then it sounds like you've re-imported the same footage a second time.
Fine, now you have all new clips. But linked to which Event? The original one? A new one? It's important to know."

Right again, reimported them into the same event - they are new clips so I figured it wouldn't make a difference. Created a Multicam clip with the 12 of them and did a proxy of the MC clip to edit.

So, editing with the proxys was great, I did the first cut I posted in the link etc... all good.
Then came the "oops" part.
But what I can't understand is why would FCPX put all the clips in the trashbin. Thats a NO/NO for me.

What happened was that all my clips were offline and the MC clip was still on the Event, but blacked out.
I could see the cuts and the take names I used tho, so what I did was reimport the ProRes clips, make a new MC clip, put on top of the first one on the Event and go cut by cut checking which take I had used and clicking on it on the new MC clip (did it make sense now?).

Now it's all fine, I am kinda back where I was before all this started on the editing/finishing, but I got really scared because it was a simple problem (an offline drive - can happen pretty easily) and FCPX couldn't handle it.
On FCP Legacy or even Premiere Pro this would be a no brainer to solve (I reckon).

Thanks for your attention!
:D

Lucas de Barros
http://www.novelofilmes.com.br


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Bill Davis
Re: FCP X Media Management Nightmare!
on Jun 14, 2013 at 3:08:58 am

OK that helps.

The most helpful thing I can tell you is that X simply does NOT work like Legacy or Premier Pro.

Sure, it would be a "no brainer" to solve in those two programs. Because they're kinda "dumb" when it comes to how they link to and handle the relationship between the clips you import and everything else you do to them. They're flat file lookups. So it's incredibly easy to re-connect stuff.

X isn't like that. It's a true relational database. So each clip can be connected via metadata to everything and anything else. Which results in a virtual spiderweb of interconnections. The downside is that you have to learn how to both create and maintain those connections if you want to work properly in X.

The HUGE upside is that as you build your database relationships both in the Event Browser and in your Storylines, X can allow you to leverage decisions you make in one part of the software into many OTHER parts of the software.

At best, that means you can do things ONCE - and leverage that work over and over and over again.

Just as with any database, the more time you spend building it out - the more powerful it becomes. So in X as you construct things - from color corrections to custom transitions to opens and closes and full fledged project "looks" - those typically can be stored in the live database and therefore become available to apply to new projects.

In one sense, X is not an editing program so much as a video construction and basic video distribution system. Much of it's power lies outside the storyline (timeline) and that often takes new editors some time to grasp.

It sounds like you ran into an unusual problem. We don't hear a lot of stories here about things crashing and losing data in X - quite the opposite, actually. Since it works entirely on metadata references, and writes those to disk as you work - the typical process is that if X does crash - it nearly always opens back up with everything intact right up to your most recent work.

Lost clips and messed up timelines are a major exception and not the rule.

Hopefully, this was just a one time thing.

And I'm glad you were able to recover easily.

Good luck in the future.

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Lucas Barros
Re: FCP X Media Management Nightmare!
on Jun 14, 2013 at 1:37:21 pm

I guess you're right Bill,
I really like X and have been using it since it's launch,
but this really got me scared.
The clips were right there and it should be easy for FCPX to see them and reconnect.
Anyways...all is good now and the video is almost done.
Hope u guys had a chance to see the first cut I posted.

Thanks a lot for ur inputs and thoughts.
:D

Lucas de Barros
http://www.novelofilmes.com.br


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