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Alan Smith
Multitple Users on SAN
on Mar 12, 2013 at 9:14:07 pm

Our production house is preparing to move from FCP7 to FCX. We have worked through several issues and questions, but we have a lingering one that we cannot find an acceptable answer. This is always the best time to turn to the COW. . .

Can we have multiple users using the same footage in different projects? How is media managed in X that is different in 7 with multiple machines and multiple editors?

Our initial review seems to indicate that if Edit1 creates Event1 on the SAN, that event will show in all other editors workstations when they launch X. Then Edit 2 can create a new project and pull footage from Event1 and/or create Event2 with new media. Edit3 can use Event1 or Event2 media in their new project.

Any insight here is appreciated.

Alan Smith
Media317
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Loren Risker
Re: Multitple Users on SAN
on Mar 12, 2013 at 9:18:25 pm

The way we work is everyone has their own events and projects folder on san, so there's no chance of 2 people opening the same event or project at the same time.

If 2 people wanted to work off of the same media, the way I would do that as create events that reference the media in a shared storage, so that each user has unique events but you only need one copy of the media. Would that work in your situation?

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Alan Smith
Re: Multitple Users on SAN
on Mar 12, 2013 at 9:31:49 pm

[Loren Risker] "If 2 people wanted to work off of the same media, the way I would do that as create events that reference the media in a shared storage, so that each user has unique events but you only need one copy of the media. "

Because I haven't used X very much, I'm not sure what this really means.

I get the idea of each editor having their own space on the SAN for their Events and Projects. That makes sense.

So there would be another directory for "shared" events?

Would each editor be able to see the other editors events or are they "hidden" from the other editors/workstations?

Alan Smith
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Charlie Austin
Re: Multitple Users on SAN
on Mar 12, 2013 at 10:44:05 pm

[Alan Smith] "I get the idea of each editor having their own space on the SAN for their Events and Projects. That makes sense.

So there would be another directory for "shared" events?

Would each editor be able to see the other editors events or are they "hidden" from the other editors/workstations?"


Not exactly sure, as we use NAS not a SAN but... If you simply put all your shared media on a drive (without FCP event/project directories on it, just media) which all users can mount on their desktop, you can all import the same media (do not copy it to the users event folder) and work from that.

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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Multitple Users on SAN
on Mar 12, 2013 at 10:49:48 pm

What SAN do you have?


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Oliver Peters
Re: Multitple Users on SAN
on Mar 13, 2013 at 12:48:30 am

Look through this thread:

http://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/48286

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Alan Smith
Re: Multitple Users on SAN
on Mar 14, 2013 at 1:07:39 pm

We are using XSAN and were on version 2.0.

Alan Smith
Media317
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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Multitple Users on SAN
on Mar 14, 2013 at 4:01:35 pm

Working with most any file based SAN in FCPX, does not allow you to share one Event or Project across multiple users at this time.

Events/Projects, typically, are per user or depending on your SAN type, per machine. With XSan, you would lock people out of each other's Events and Projects so that they are only accessed by one user at a time.

So, you'd need to have media that everyone can access, and then each user has an area to store their Events and Projects which are unique to that user.

FCPX has completely different file structures from other NLEs.

Sharing Events and Projects can be done within the application itself or through the Finder. It would depend on your workflow needs.

I, personally, use a metaSAN system which has a feature that creates virtual volumes, and those are controlled through a permissions interface and can be mounted by any machine. Only one machine can have read/write access, and any machine can have read only access. FCPX will not mount a read only SAN Location.

SAN Locations are simply a folder, and you can earmark that folder in FCPX as a SAN Location. The Events and Projects then get stored in the San Location. You can have as many SAN Locations open as you want at one time in FCPX. You can also close SAN Locations from within FCPX which allows an easy way to manage multiple Events/Projects.

It takes a bit of getting used to as the format is different from FCP7, but it is much better than working with local drives.

Jeremy


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Oliver Peters
Re: Multitple Users on SAN
on Mar 14, 2013 at 4:46:41 pm

I've run into additional issues with SANs and Event Manager X. If you have a volume-based SAN, with control over partition write permissions, then some are read-only. If you have any folder on these that are labelled Final Cut Events or Final Cut Projects - including some that just happened to have been named the same - it messes up EMX. That's because EMX can't deal with these on read-only drives, so everything in its menu is red and can't be enabled, disabled or moved. Therefore, in the one shared storage house that I normally freelance at, we keep all Events/Projects folders on local drives with linked media on the SAN.

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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Alan Smith
Re: Multitple Users on SAN
on Mar 15, 2013 at 3:57:02 pm

So if I'm understanding what I'm reading, is the following correct?

When Editor 1 launches FCPX, he will only see his events and projects that he has created. In order to view the events or projects of Editor 3, he would have to "mount the SAN" of that editor?

I was hoping and under the impression that any editor, when launching FCPX would be able to see all of the events on the XSAN.

In essence, if an editor is looking for a piece of media, they are going to have to search for it via finder to locate which event it is associated with to know where to pull the clips from, correct? No real/significant difference from FCP7.

Alan Smith
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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Multitple Users on SAN
on Mar 15, 2013 at 4:09:33 pm

[Alan Smith] "When Editor 1 launches FCPX, he will only see his events and projects that he has created. In order to view the events or projects of Editor 3, he would have to "mount the SAN" of that editor? "

Or have Editor 3 send pieces to a SAN Location, dismount that Location, and then have Editor 1 mount that new SAN Location.

[Alan Smith] "I was hoping and under the impression that any editor, when launching FCPX would be able to see all of the events on the XSAN."

It doesn't work that way. That would be like opening every FCP7 project on the XSAN at once.

[Alan Smith] "In essence, if an editor is looking for a piece of media, they are going to have to search for it via finder to locate which event it is associated with to know where to pull the clips from, correct? No real/significant difference from FCP7."

Pretty much. You don't necessarily need to know which Event the media is attached to, you just need to know where the clip is.

If another editor sends a Project over (or XML for that matter) to another Editor and nothing has left the SAN, the files will automatically be linked.

It really depends on how and what you need to do.

Jeremy


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Alan Smith
Re: Multitple Users on SAN
on Mar 15, 2013 at 4:22:12 pm

Not what I was hoping for.

One of our issues we keep trying to resolve is ways to locate specific files/media when we have a need. We tried Final Cut Server and that was not a good experience for our house. As we've looked at X, it seemed to be ideal because of the media management, smart searches, keyword bins that it uses. But essentially, it does not do what we had understood/hoped it would do. . .

Alan Smith
Media317
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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Multitple Users on SAN
on Mar 15, 2013 at 5:06:59 pm

Final Cut X is still an NLE and not a media asset manager. Perhaps, some day, multiple users will be able to draw from a central Event, but I wouldn't count on it.

Perhaps take a look at Cantemo Portal as a media asset manager. Or CatDV.







Jeremy


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Oliver Peters
Re: Multitple Users on SAN
on Mar 15, 2013 at 5:26:32 pm

[Alan Smith] "As we've looked at X, it seemed to be ideal because of the media management, smart searches, keyword bins that it uses. But essentially, it does not do what we had understood/hoped it would do. . ."

FCP X is NOT an asset management tool. The collections, searches, etc. are only specific to the events loaded by a single editor.

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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