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David Lawrence
DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 19, 2017 at 5:55:43 pm

Lost count of how many times she says "Just like in Final Cut Pro 7" but I found myself smiling quite a lot. πŸ˜‰ At $299 it's a no-brainer no matter what your current NLE of choice.







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Oliver Peters
Re: DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 19, 2017 at 6:17:32 pm

[David Lawrence] "At $299 it's a no-brainer no matter what your current NLE of choice."

And/or free. Plus both versions (with slight changes) are in the App Store, too.

- Oliver

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David Mathis
Re: DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 19, 2017 at 6:43:11 pm

I am not sure that Resolve would be my choice as an NLE as it still has some stability issues. As for cutting a feature it might be my first choice but Final Cut fits my needs for now.


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Oliver Peters
Re: DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 19, 2017 at 7:06:10 pm
Last Edited By Oliver Peters on Sep 19, 2017 at 7:17:21 pm

[David Mathis] "As for cutting a feature it might be my first choice"

There are actually some high-level feature film cutters who are evaluating it as the NLE to choose. Typically their cuts go on to Resolve for grading and finishing, so losing the roundtrip is attractive.

Of course, of the ones I've personally spoken with, it's only testing. Avid MC continues to be their axe of choose.

- Oliver

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Michael Gissing
Re: DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 20, 2017 at 12:10:03 am

[Oliver peters]"Typically their cuts go on to Resolve for grading and finishing, so losing the roundtrip is attractive."

That's a huge plus for people like me. Its the double roundtrip if the audio is finished in Fairlight.

I think a lot will depend on the collaborative workflow tools and just how well that works in real world applications. I think Avid is far more BM's target but as David L points out, hold out Legend editors are a prime target.


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andy patterson
Re: DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 19, 2017 at 7:27:55 pm

DR has come a long way over the past 3 years. DR 14 looks very impressive. I was told Adobe is aware of BMD's offerings. Adobe is going to have to bring there A-Game to NAB 2018. DR has some cool filters and the Fairlight integrations is awesome. Adobe needs to merge Audition into Premiere Pro as well as After Effects. The integration between programs is not bad but a merging of the programs would be even better. Adobe wasted a lot of time and effort creating a new titling systems that as of now is worse than what we had before. The Essential Graphics Panel is supposed to get better over time but I think it might have been better to release it at NAB 2018 when it was 100% ready.


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Brian Seegmiller
Re: DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 20, 2017 at 1:54:13 am

A lot of the features in PP seem to be half baked. Then it takes a while for them to get to full potential because they will focus on another new feature that is half baked again. That is why I like third party offerings that can focus on developing plugins that work.


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andy patterson
Re: DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 20, 2017 at 5:57:13 am

[Brian Seegmiller] "A lot of the features in PP seem to be half baked. Then it takes a while for them to get to full potential because they will focus on another new feature that is half baked again. That is why I like third party offerings that can focus on developing plugins that work."

What exactly is half baked in Premiere Pro? The Essential Graphics Panel was probably released 14 -15 months to soon but the same could be said about FCPX. Was FCPX half baked? Is Apple's Touchbar half baked? I would tend to think so since the awesome new keyboard for the iMac Pro does not have a touch bar. No one mentioned that : )

FCPX $299.99!

FCPX after plugins $799.99 : (

I may have bought a Mac Mini but I don't drink the Kool-Aid : )


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Andrew Kimery
Re: DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 20, 2017 at 4:02:36 pm

[andy patterson] "The Essential Graphics Panel was probably released 14 -15 months to soon..."

Releasing something too soon is the very definition of half baked.

Of course sometimes there is a fine line between half baked and feature-limited. For example, when Search Bins first appeared in PPro they were pretty limited, but more functionality was added in a later update. I don't think I would call their initial release half baked, just not fleshed out.


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andy patterson
Re: DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 20, 2017 at 8:25:17 pm

[Andrew Kimery] "Releasing something too soon is the very definition of half baked."

Half baked is just mediocre. Releasing a good idea to soon is releasing a good idea to soon. I am not saying The Essential Graphics Panel is a good idea. I do think it has potential but we will have to wait until NAB 2018 to know for sure.

[Andrew Kimery] "I don't think I would call their initial release half baked, just not fleshed out."

I agree but I am not the one who called it half baked. Brian stated it was half baked I stated it was released a year to soon. I think we agree.


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Brian Seegmiller
Re: DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 20, 2017 at 4:20:35 pm

Andy Patterson,

FCP X = $299.99
FCP X + plugins = $799.99


Premiere Pro CC for Teams= $69.99 per month
Premiere Pro CC = $828 per year
Premiere Pro CC for 5 years = $4,140
Premiere Pro CC for 10 years = $8,280
Shall I go on?

Paying once for FCP X, priceless.

What is your point?

Yes, FCP X was half baked when released, get over it. Is it solid now, yes and no. For the majority of users it works just fine. For those that need more, third party developers can fill that need.


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andy patterson
Re: DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 20, 2017 at 8:38:32 pm

[Brian Seegmiller] "Andy Patterson,

FCP X = $299.99
FCP X + plugins = $799.99

Premiere Pro CC for Teams= $69.99 per month
Premiere Pro CC = $828 per year
Premiere Pro CC for 5 years = $4,140
Premiere Pro CC for 10 years = $8,280
Shall I go on?

Paying once for FCP X, priceless.

What is your point?"


The plugins can add up to more than the FCPX software. Also the CC has some cool plugins like Photoshop, Illustrator, After Effects, Dreamweaver, InDesign and many other programs

Someone claimed Avid's MC is like a printing press and Premiere Pro was like a color printer while FCPX was like a web page. Let me see you print out a newspaper using Avid's MC or design a website using FCPX. I am not a fan of the CC but you have to admit the CC is a full multimedia solution. You don't just get Premiere Pro for $50.00.


[Brian Seegmiller] "Yes, FCP X was half baked when released, get over it. Is it solid now, yes and no. For the majority of users it works just fine. For those that need more, third party developers can fill that need."

Get over it?

My point is that I don't think FCPX was half baked. It was missing a lot of features because it was released about 14 months to soon. That is not the same as half baked. Apple knew they could not wait 14 more months becuase Premiere Pro was gaining traction.


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Bill Davis
Re: DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 20, 2017 at 1:19:39 am

If your value logic is sound, then every AVID, Premiere Pro, and DaVinci editor should also see owning a personal copy of the $299 FCP X as a "no brainer" as well.

Cool.

πŸ˜‰

Creator of XinTwo - http://www.xintwo.com
The shortest path to FCP X mastery.


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Shawn Miller
Re: DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 20, 2017 at 1:22:23 am

[Bill Davis] "If your value logic is sound, then every AVID, Premiere Pro, and DaVinci editor should also see owning a personal copy of the $299 FCP X as a "no brainer" as well.

Cool."


Not every Avid, Premiere Pro or Resolve editor is a Mac user. ☺

Shawn



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Michael Gissing
Re: DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 20, 2017 at 1:23:58 am

[Bill Davis] "If your value logic is sound, then every AVID, Premiere Pro, and DaVinci editor should also see owning a personal copy of the $299 FCP X as a "no brainer" as well."

Except that unlike every other NLE you listed, X is not cross platform. Uncool


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Bill Davis
Re: DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 20, 2017 at 1:31:42 am

Dang, you are correct. I forgot about all the editors that switch back and forth between the Macs and PCs sitting side by side on their desks.

(File under "owner/management class problems" maybe?)

Creator of XinTwo - http://www.xintwo.com
The shortest path to FCP X mastery.


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greg janza
Re: DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 20, 2017 at 1:47:15 am
Last Edited By greg janza on Sep 20, 2017 at 1:48:30 am

[Bill Davis] "Dang, you are correct. I forgot about all the editors that switch back and forth between the Macs and PCs sitting side by side on their desks.
"


I have a dual system but I'll confess that I spend 98% of my working time on the PC side.

I also think that if Resolve lives up to the hype it's been receiving that it might be a real player. The process of prepping projects in Premiere to send to a Resolve colorist gets old fast.

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Michael Gissing
Re: DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 20, 2017 at 1:56:10 am

[Bill Davis]"I forgot about all the editors that switch back and forth between the Macs and PCs sitting side by side on their desks. "

Actually you forgot about all the editors that no longer have a Mac and switched back to PC and all the editors that never had a Mac. Hard to imagine but that's life outside a bubble.


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Shawn Miller
Re: DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 20, 2017 at 4:41:28 am

[Michael Gissing] "[Bill Davis]"I forgot about all the editors that switch back and forth between the Macs and PCs sitting side by side on their desks. "

Actually you forgot about all the editors that no longer have a Mac and switched back to PC and all the editors that never had a Mac. Hard to imagine but that's life outside a bubble."


I was actually in the position to switch to Mac about three weeks ago. I was up for a hardware refresh and I could have asked for a Mac Pro, since all of my applications are cross platform... I really considered it, but in the end it came down to hardware and support, Apple just didn't have a strong enough offering to entice me into switching. This also happened to two friends of mine earlier this month, except they opted to switch from Apple to Windows PCs, again it was all about the hardware.

Shawn



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Andrew Kimery
Re: DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 20, 2017 at 6:46:25 am

I'm not yet convinced that Resolve's uber-app approach is going to pay off for BM.

Step one is to convince editors that Resolve is a better NLE than their current one. Step two is to convince editors that the benefits of learning the Color page and the Fairlight page far outweigh the time/energy it takes to learn both pages (assuming we are talking about generalists/solo practitioners). The trend to date w/NLEs has been to make them NLEs first and then add 'good enough' audio, GFX, coloring, etc., functions to them and if more powerful tools were needed then go out of the NLE to ProTools or AE or whatever tool was needed. We still see this today with things like the Essentials panels in PPro and Apple not cramming all the functionality of Color into FCP X.

If we are talking about teams of specialists then the hurdle is to get all the specialists to use Resolve, and that's has always been a big problem for suites of apps because odds are that not each app in the suite will be best in breed. How many rerecording mixers would choose to use Audition just because their editor is using PPro or how many GFX or VFX artists would choose to use Motion just because the editor is using FCP X? First thing first though is to get editors to choose Resolve to be their new NLE.

Maybe BM will be able to pull off a 'super app' that takes the industry by storm. Success in certain areas? Of course, but broader I think is going to be a much tougher row to hoe (especially since Apple, Adobe and Avid have had a lot of time to re-stake their territory in the last 5-6yrs). Time will tell though.


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Oliver Peters
Re: DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 20, 2017 at 12:57:06 pm

[Andrew Kimery] "I'm not yet convinced that Resolve's uber-app approach is going to pay off for BM."

To date, the "super-app" approach hasn't paid off in sheer numbers for anyone. Witness Avid DS, Smoke and to a lesser extent, even Avid Symphony. In theory, if rumors are to be believed, Apple was developing something like that as FCP8, which was killed by Jobs in favor of FCPX. So light+add-ons or the suite of apps, still seems like a winning strategy. BMD's solution to mitigating complexity is the modal/page approach. That might, in fact, crack the code, since you don't have to use everything in the toolkit. But, we'll see.

- Oliver

Oliver Peters - oliverpeters.com


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greg janza
Re: DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 20, 2017 at 6:18:29 pm

[Shawn Miller] "This also happened to two friends of mine earlier this month, except they opted to switch from Apple to Windows PCs, again it was all about the hardware."

I think that's the crux of the trend away from Apple. The versatility of options on the PC side simply can't be matched by the current Apple product line.

I Hate Television. I Hate It As Much As Peanuts. But I Can’t Stop Eating Peanuts.
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Bill Davis
Re: DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 23, 2017 at 11:05:05 pm

[Michael Gissing] "Actually you forgot about all the editors that no longer have a Mac and switched back to PC and all the editors that never had a Mac. Hard to imagine but that's life outside a bubble."

---FCP X - the Debate---

A forum supposedly about software that runs exclusively on Macs - needs the input of NLE jockeys on machines that can't actually RUN the software?

Of course, brilliant.

Please direct me to a nice scriptwriting site exclusively in French - so English monolingual me can learn more about scriptwriting!

It'll be fun.

πŸ˜‰

Creator of XinTwo - http://www.xintwo.com
The shortest path to FCP X mastery.


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Andrew Kimery
Re: DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 24, 2017 at 2:37:18 am

[Bill Davis] "A forum supposedly about software that runs exclusively on Macs ..."

Except it's not a forum supposedly about software that runs exclusively on Macs. It's a forum about debating Apple's new (relatively speaking) philosophical idea of what an NLE should be (FCP X) compared to some already existing philosophies about NLEs (and many of those already existing philosophies are shared between apps like MC, PPro, FCP Legend, Lightworks, Resolve, etc.,.).


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Michael Gissing
Re: DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 24, 2017 at 6:08:10 am

[Bill Davis]"A forum supposedly about software that runs exclusively on Macs - needs the input of NLE jockeys on machines that can't actually RUN the software?"


After all these years you can still say something that genuinely surprises me.


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Bill Davis
Re: DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 26, 2017 at 6:36:22 pm

[Michael Gissing] "After all these years you can still say something that genuinely surprises me."

Thank you!

Without stirring the pot occasionally, an ugly skin may form - and eventually, the contents dry out and start cracking.

πŸ˜‰

Creator of XinTwo - http://www.xintwo.com
The shortest path to FCP X mastery.


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Mark Suszko
Re: DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 26, 2017 at 9:54:18 pm

Question: does DR 14 accept and work with plug-ins from FX factory/ Noise Industries?


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Walter Soyka
Re: DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 26, 2017 at 10:14:58 pm

[Mark Suszko] "Question: does DR 14 accept and work with plug-ins from FX factory/ Noise Industries?"

Not really. Resolve uses OpenFX plugins for visuals (and apparently Audio Units on the Mac for audio). There are only three plugins from Noise Industries that work in Resolve:

https://fxfactory.com/davinciresolve/

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Michael Gissing
Re: DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 26, 2017 at 10:41:27 pm

[Mark Suszko] "Question: does DR 14 accept and work with plug-ins from FX factory/ Noise Industries?"

Resolve is cross platform so they use OFX to maintain cross platform compatibility. FX Factory as Mac only from memory. I used them with FCP7.


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Mark Suszko
Re: DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 27, 2017 at 2:04:04 am

Maybe I'm thinking about it from the wrong end.... does a nodal compositor like Fusion work with any of those Noise Industries/ FX factory plug-ins?


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Michael Gissing
Re: DaVinci Resolve 14 for Final Cut Pro 7 Users
on Sep 27, 2017 at 2:08:11 am

[Mark Suszko] "Maybe I'm thinking about it from the wrong end.... does a nodal compositor like Fusion work with any of those Noise Industries/ FX factory plug-ins?"

Fusion is also cross platform and uses OFX plugins, same as Resolve. They are both Blackmagic after all.


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