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Steve Connor
"Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 22, 2017 at 5:08:29 pm

Just noticed this article reposted on the FCPX Editors group on Facebook about switching to FCPX

http://www.vivalazoom.co.uk/switch-premiere-final-cut/


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Scott Witthaus
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 22, 2017 at 6:02:09 pm

Thanks for sharing. I did get a chuckle at the line that said the Premiere interface "It looked clean, elegant and it seemed to work really well"....that's one of my biggest complaints even today with the interface: cluttered jumble of edit-hieroglyphics.

My opinion only of course! ;-)

Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
1708 Inc./Editorial
Professor, VCU Brandcenter


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Steve Connor
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 22, 2017 at 6:25:56 pm

[Scott Witthaus] "that's one of my biggest complaints even today with the interface: cluttered jumble of edit-hieroglyphics."

To be fair, with a little customisation it is possible to make PPro's interface look a little cleaner.


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Oliver Peters
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 23, 2017 at 12:35:06 am

[Scott Witthaus] "that's one of my biggest complaints even today with the interface: cluttered jumble of edit-hieroglyphics."

Funny that FCPX 10.3 looks a whole lot more like Premiere Pro that it used to ☺

Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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Scott Witthaus
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 23, 2017 at 1:51:02 pm

[Oliver Peters] "Funny that FCPX 10.3 looks a whole lot more like Premiere Pro that it used to ☺"

I had a series of short videos for web delivery to edit last week. For fun, I did some on Premiere and some on FCPX. INMHO, FCPX is a way way more elegant interface and does not distract from the creative process. Plus Premiere (CC2017)is buggy as shit. My favorite new bug is when I use the tilde key to make the source side monitor full screen, it will not go back to it's normal spot. Rather the video stays centered behind the record monitor. Loads of time wasting fun that was not there in earlier versions.

Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
1708 Inc./Editorial
Professor, VCU Brandcenter


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Steve Connor
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 23, 2017 at 4:18:55 pm

[Scott Witthaus] "My favorite new bug is when I use the tilde key to make the source side monitor full screen, it will not go back to it's normal spot. Rather the video stays centered behind the record monitor. Loads of time wasting fun that was not there in earlier versions."

Haven't used it since the recent updates (Because of the FCPX Update ☺) but full screen on the tilde key is something I used a lot so might give it a miss for a bit longer!


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Chris Harlan
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Feb 6, 2017 at 9:34:59 pm

No, its not buggy as shit. At least when I'm using it.


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andy patterson
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 23, 2017 at 6:21:42 am

I think more videographers will start switching to FCPX because of the cost of renting with the CC paradigm. It is odd because Photoshop and Lightroom own the market for photography yet Adobe sells them together for $9.99 per month. Adobe really doesn't need to. People will pay for those programs. Adobe does not own the market for video production yet they don't bundle Premiere and AE for $9.99 per month. FCPX and Premiere both work well but why rent it when you can own it? I myself think the CC should be $14.95 a month for everything. Adobe would still make a lot of money if not more money. If they lowered the price I think they would increase the amount of subscriptions.


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Dominic Deacon
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 23, 2017 at 8:27:03 am

I remember once someone from Adobe saying that if they had $10 for everytime their programs were stolen they'd be the richest company in the world. I remember thinking then 'well, why not sell it for $10?' Nobody would steal it then. It would just come packaged with every single PC sold anywhere. Obviously there's a major flaw in my thinking somewhere...

I think the difference between making people pay a large amount for AE and premiere and Photoshop is that there's an awful lot of people using photoshop as a hobby or making very minimal amounts of money with it. I think someone else like Affinity would own the space pretty quickly if Adobe started demanding $50 a month for it. On the other hand pros using AE are almost always charging good money for their services. There's a lot of competition for those jobs but not like there is for photography.

Personally I'd love the full package but at the moment I'm getting by with the photography programs. But if Project Felix turns out to be as useful as I'm hoping it is that could certainly change fast.


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andy patterson
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 23, 2017 at 9:44:19 am

[Dominic Deacon] "I think the difference between making people pay a large amount for AE and premiere and Photoshop is that there's an awful lot of people using photoshop as a hobby or making very minimal amounts of money with it. I think someone else like Affinity would own the space pretty quickly if Adobe started demanding $50 a month for it. On the other hand pros using AE are almost always charging good money for their services. There's a lot of competition for those jobs but not like there is for photography."

That maybe true but you have to look at the competition (FCPX).


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Craig Seeman
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 24, 2017 at 4:12:41 am

[Dominic Deacon] "It would just come packaged with every single PC sold anywhere."

I think it was almost like that with the original Adobe Premiere. It came free with any video card and all sorts of other things that might be even remotely video related. It was amazing how many things that program would crash on regardless of hardware. I switched to EditDV and never looked back.

[Dominic Deacon] "I think the difference between making people pay a large amount for AE and premiere and Photoshop is that there's an awful lot of people using photoshop as a hobby or making very minimal amounts of money with it."

I think that might be the case with editing as well.

One possible reason for the price difference is that Photoshop is very mature and Adobe had to do lots of work to come up with at least one whiz bang feature to get people to pay for the upgrade. For many, they simply didn't bother to upgrade because they had no need for the new cheese whiz. So with the low budget subscription the pressure is of but the income is steady. It may be low per person but I'm sure it's steep in number of subscribers.

On the other hand Premiere Pro needed lots of development to mature as fast as possible to fill the FCP legacy hole and wanted (wants) to have a steady stream of income to cover that with no possibility of people ducking out of upgrades. Even with that I know people who are hanging on the PPro CS6 as badly as some hung on to FCP7.

Affinity does continue to make moves as both Photo and Designer are now cross platform and next up will be their competitor to Adobe InDesign. Affinity's prices are so low that even Adobe's $10/mo can start to look expensive.



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andy patterson
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 24, 2017 at 4:40:53 am

[Craig Seeman] "Affinity does continue to make moves as both Photo and Designer are now cross platform and next up will be their competitor to Adobe InDesign. Affinity's prices are so low that even Adobe's $10/mo can start to look expensive."

I will have to keep an eye out for these other programs. Having said that InDesing is awesome.


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Walter Soyka
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 24, 2017 at 11:11:57 am

[Craig Seeman] "One possible reason for the price difference is that Photoshop is very mature and Adobe had to do lots of work to come up with at least one whiz bang feature to get people to pay for the upgrade. For many, they simply didn't bother to upgrade because they had no need for the new cheese whiz. So with the low budget subscription the pressure is of but the income is steady. It may be low per person but I'm sure it's steep in number of subscribers."

I disagree. Nobody at Adobe acts like "the pressure is off." On the contrary, the Photoshop team has been pretty busy:

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/whats-new.html
https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/whats-new-cc-2015.html
https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/whats-new-cc-2014.html
https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/using/whats-new-cc.html

Walter Soyka
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Craig Seeman
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 24, 2017 at 2:39:41 pm
Last Edited By Craig Seeman on Jan 25, 2017 at 3:25:42 am

I guess it depends on where your coming from but for me, those features are precisely my point. There's always new features to add but fewer and fewer users need them.

There was a strong reason why Adobe was faced with people skipping upgrades. Those reasons still exist IMHO although that doesn't save one any money these days.

There's a point in an app's development where it matures and the additions are mostly refinements. Features come in areas where some specialists need them but generalists don't. At some point, some of the generalists begin to weigh other factors as they consider moving to the competition.



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Robin S. Kurz
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 25, 2017 at 12:58:21 pm

[Steve Connor] "but full screen on the tilde key is something I used a lot so might give it a miss for a bit longer!"

So why not simply open the Command Editor and map it?


[andy patterson] "I myself think the CC should be $14.95 a month for everything."

I personally wouldn't care if they even made it $5. Either way, I'm not interested in paying ransom money for my own work and data. Never mind the massive copy-protection mess that does nothing but punish the honest user. Even when I had a legitimate license for CS6 and before, I still only ever used a hacked version after being ****ed over by disappearing "activations" at the worst possible times and needing hours if not days of getting it figured out and back to work.

But then I personally don't see how anyone that's on a Mac would not want to use FCP X instead and prefer to pay exponentially more money for no relative functional or performance advantages whatsoever. Quite the opposite in fact. But hey… to each his own, right? 😉

Even Affinity Photo and Design have more features many times over than I could ever need for that kind of work. And for the 10% of stuff I can't do in Motion just as well if not better/faster, I still have AE CS6. So yeah, I'm good. ☺

- RK

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Steve Connor
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 25, 2017 at 1:08:38 pm

[Robin S. Kurz] "[Steve Connor] "but full screen on the tilde key is something I used a lot so might give it a miss for a bit longer!"

So why not simply open the Command Editor and map it?
"


I was talking about when I use Premiere Pro not FCPX


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andy patterson
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 25, 2017 at 10:26:23 pm

[Robin S. Kurz] "I personally wouldn't care if they even made it $5. Either way, I'm not interested in paying ransom money for my own work and data"

Your own work and data? You don't have to use the storage options of the CC service. I don't. Having said that even if they had the CS 12.5 Master Collection on DVD for $299.99 and only $49.99 for the upgrades (DVDs) you still wouldn't buy it because you hate Adobe and I can prove it.

[Robin S. Kurz] "Even when I had a legitimate license for CS6 and before, I still only ever used a hacked version after being ****ed over by disappearing "activations" at the worst possible times and needing hours if not days of getting it figured out and back to work."

What are you talking about? How would you have disappearing activations that took you hours if not days to get it figured out prior to CC? There was no activation prior to CC. I have both CS 4 and CS 5.5. You don't even need an internet connection. You only have a product code key/serial number to enter. That is all. There is no activation to dissapear.

I could talk out my arse and I say "I hate FCPX because I was getting ****ed over by disappearing "activations" at the worst possible times and needing hours if not days of getting it figured out and back to work".

It is not wise to complain about a problem that does not exists. Anyone who has CS 3.0 or even CS 5.5 knows what you stated is pure BS.

Even when we talk about the CC I have not had any activation issues since I joined in May of 2014. You claim you had dissapearing activations even prior to CS 6.0. I say you are talking out your arse because there was no activation to dissapear. Having said that if the CC was only $12.99 or even $14.99 a month I would be OK with it. Adobe offers a lot of good products for graphic design, web design, print production, audio and video and now even 3D.

I do agree with others that Adobe did start to realize they would not always be able to offer huge upgrades like CS 5.0 and CS 6.0 where people really needed the new features so they implemented the CC. I don't mind the CC paradigm. It is just to expensive at $49.99 a month. Adobe used to offer great products at a great price but not anymore. It would be great if at NAB 2017 they announced the price for the CC would be dropped to $19.99 a month.


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Robin S. Kurz
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 26, 2017 at 8:28:03 am
Last Edited By Robin S. Kurz on Jan 26, 2017 at 8:31:45 am

[andy patterson] "Your own work and data? You don't have to use the storage options of the CC service. "

Do tell: how many CC PPro and AE projects do you have access to once you opt out of the ol' subscription to maybe switch elsewhere or figure having already paid thou$and$ to date is enough? How about InDesign, or maybe Lightroom? Hmmmm…

I wasn't even thinking of the online storage options, but thanks for doubling down on my point. 😄


[andy patterson] "Having said that even if they had the CS 12.5 Master Collection on DVD for $299.99 and only $49.99 for the upgrades (DVDs) you still wouldn't buy it "

Right. Never mind that I bought every iteration of the CS there ever was. 🙄 You know me so well. Clearly.


[andy patterson] "because you hate Adobe and I can prove it. "

Huh?? What the… 😂
Oh, but please, do. Can't wait.


[andy patterson] "There was no activation prior to CC."

LOL… right. Silly me. I was just imagining things.
https://adobe.ly/2j7jq8A
https://adobe.ly/2j7l61T
Don't click those. They're clearly fake Adobe pages. You're of course right. I'm just making it up because I so totally hate Adobe. Damn. You got me. 😞


[andy patterson] "I could talk out my arse"

I'm sorry…could?

Thanks for the expert insight. Keep it up. 👍🏼

- RK


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andy patterson
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 26, 2017 at 12:25:52 pm

[Robin S. Kurz] "[andy patterson] "Your own work and data? You don't have to use the storage options of the CC service. "

Do tell: how many CC PPro and AE projects do you have access to once you opt out of the ol' subscription to maybe switch elsewhere or figure having already paid thou$and$ to date is enough? How about InDesign, or maybe Lightroom? Hmmmm…"


You are not loosing your work and data unless it is on the cloud. You would no longer have access to the software if you opt out of CC. That is different than loosing your work and data. Anyone still on the cloud can finish your work because your work and data are not lost as you claim.

[Robin S. Kurz] "
[andy patterson] "Having said that even if they had the CS 12.5 Master Collection on DVD for $299.99 and only $49.99 for the upgrades (DVDs) you still wouldn't buy it "

Right. Never mind that I bought every iteration of the CS there ever was. 🙄 You know me so well. Clearly."


Can you take a photo with all the CS versions? Even if you did have every version of CS it would not mean you like it today. I don't doubt you liked After Effects and Photoshop but you probably liked to take digs at Premiere even if you did have the CS Suite. See my point?

[Robin S. Kurz] "[andy patterson] "because you hate Adobe and I can prove it. "

Huh?? What the… 😂
Oh, but please, do. Can't wait.


[andy patterson] "There was no activation prior to CC."

LOL… right. Silly me. I was just imagining things.
https://adobe.ly/2j7jq8A
https://adobe.ly/2j7l61T
Don't click those. They're clearly fake Adobe pages. You're of course right. I'm just making it up because I so totally hate Adobe. Damn. You got me. 😞


[andy patterson] "I could talk out my arse"

I'm sorry…could?

Thanks for the expert insight. Keep it up. 👍🏼

- RK"


https://adobe.ly/2j7jq8A

I think you Googled that link. Am I correct? Perhaps you should have read it. The link above is talking about an invalid product code key glitch for Acrobat and Audition. Premiere Pro was not affected and Audition was not part of the Production Premium or Master Collection at that time. I did not know as a video editor you relied on Acrobat and Audition that much. Unless you bought Audition or Acrobat how would you have disappearing "activations" at the worst possible times as you claim? Having said that it was a one shot over the phone fix.

[Robin S. Kurz] "Even when I had a legitimate license for CS6 and before, I still only ever used a hacked version after being ****ed over by disappearing "activations" at the worst possible times and needing hours if not days of getting it figured out and back to work."


https://adobe.ly/2j7l61T

Think link above is for CC. Yes there have been problems with the CC activation. I never said otherwise but your claim about disappearing activations prior to CS 6 is pure BS. Having said that people who use the CC would say the activation works pretty damn good and would not be a valid reason for leaving the CC. You posting links trying to make things worse than than they are helps prove my point about you talking BS.

As I stated there is no activation for CS 4 and CS 5.5 only a product code key. I could do a video if you like : )

Having said that what you are doing with the first link is looking at a minor glitch then trying to claim it as the norm for Adobe users.

I actually watched a video a few months ago where a guy had problems installing FCPX. He stated people in the FCPX forums were mean to him. Perhaps they were. I wish I had saved the video. Are you going to start bad mouth FCPX because a few people are experiencing problems? Having said that look at all the problems with FCPX and the Mac Book Pro. I myself think it is a glitch and not the norm for FCPX.







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Guille Ibanez
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 24, 2017 at 1:20:49 pm

Thanks for sharing the article guys. We're the original creators of the post at Viva La Zoom.

We were originally firm believers that the Creative Cloud would work for us. After 3/4 years down the line, we felt Adobe broke its original promise: 'Pay a subscription and we'll keep on updating the software. We'll keep it clean, no bugs'

I was never a real user of the old Final Cut as I had always used Windows on our workstations however since we changed over to Apple, it came naturally to test FCPX. The only way I can put it really is that It works.
The real problem with Adobe is that they seem to focus on very silly flashy features like that new 'Social media publishing panel' https://blogs.adobe.com/creativeclou...-premiere-pro/
while the bugs that pushed us out of there are still there and as a result of that our productivity gets affected.
At the end of the day, we just want a solid piece of software that helps us get our work done, that's all we need.


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Andrew Kimery
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 24, 2017 at 3:32:14 pm

[Guille Ibanez] "Thanks for sharing the article guys. We're the original creators of the post at Viva La Zoom. "

It was interesting getting a glimpse at your situation as so many people in my neck of the woods are looking at leaving Macs for PCs.

One thing that jumped out at me though (and this is obviously water under the bridge now) is your #4 Pro for X "Keyword folders much better than Adobe bins for organizing" you mention how other NLEs should implement their own version of this, but Adobe already did. In 2013 or 2014 Adobe added the Search Bins feature to Premiere which allows you to create a bin based on a variety of criteria (from keywords to codec to frame rate) and it will auto-populate with all the media that meets the criteria you entered. It's not as slick as FCP X's implementation, but it's still very useful. I've run into a lot of long time Premiere users that don't know about this feature and it's unfortunate that Adobe didn't do a better job at marketing it.


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Chris Harlan
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Feb 6, 2017 at 9:39:18 pm

A very useful feature!


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Scott Witthaus
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 24, 2017 at 7:29:27 pm

[Guille Ibanez] "Adobe is that they seem to focus on very silly flashy features like that new 'Social media publishing panel' "

Oh god yes. The last thing I need is this bolted on to my export panel. I thought this when I saw this panel previewed at Adobe Max. The CC has gotten so huge (http://www.adobe.com/creativecloud/catalog/desktop.html) and diverse yet most of us here really need 3 or 4 of the softwares. If I were a die-hard CC fan, I would be concerned that Adobe is losing it's focus.

Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
1708 Inc./Editorial
Professor, VCU Brandcenter


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Andrew Kimery
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 24, 2017 at 8:50:22 pm

[Scott Witthaus] " If I were a die-hard CC fan, I would be concerned that Adobe is losing it's focus."

The CS Master Collections weren't exactly tiny. 😉

I didn't count, but at first blush it looks like most of that software has been in Adobe's arsenal for around a decade (and longer for things like PS, AE, Premiere, Ai, Acrobat, etc.,), and other than the than Gaming SDK and PhoneGap Build (which I know nothing about) everything seems pretty related to a facet of the creative industry that Adobe's traditionally been a part of (photography, post production, web design, etc.,).

Craig made a very good point of software maturing and revenue leveling off so what options do a software companies have at that point besides continuing to add things to their existing software and/or releasing new software?

While the Social Media Publishing feature isn't anything I would use, for people that publish a lot to social media this could be a boon for them. Seems like the next natural step to the share to YT/Vimeo functionality that X launched with. As we've talked about a lot in this forum, there is an ever growing number of people that need to edit video on a regular basis as part of their job, but not necessarily on an every day (or even every week) basis and this type of feature is most likely aimed at that market. Though over the past few years I've seen a growing number of job ads in LA that hiring editors to cut videos destined for social media.


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Scott Witthaus
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 25, 2017 at 1:49:48 pm

[Andrew Kimery] "While the Social Media Publishing feature isn't anything I would use, for people that publish a lot to social media this could be a boon for them."

So make it an option. Or a plug in. And it's not just a set of presets on the export panel, but also starts sending back data about your posts to your Premiere system. http://www.provideocoalition.com/new-social-publishing-panel-beta-premiere-...

No thank you. Focus on a new title tool please. Or the tilde bug.

Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
1708 Inc./Editorial
Professor, VCU Brandcenter


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andy patterson
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 25, 2017 at 10:39:23 pm

[Scott Witthaus] "No thank you. Focus on a new title tool please. Or the tilde bug."

You want FCPX to work on a new title tool or Premiere? If Premiere Pro what features are missing in Premiere Pro's titling tool from FCPX titling tool?

I also don't want plugins. The price of FCPX prior to plugins $299.99. After plugins $960.00.


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Tony West
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 26, 2017 at 1:53:48 pm

[andy patterson] " If Premiere Pro what features are missing in Premiere Pro's titling tool from FCPX titling tool? "

I don't know if I would say things are "missing", I just prefer working with titles within the canvas instead of the title tool opening up in a separate window. I also like how you can hover over a motion title and see how that will look directly in the canvas. This is all just personal taste. Pr is very capable of handling titles.



[andy patterson] "The price of FCPX prior to plugins $299.99. After plugins $960.00.
"


That of course is if a person wanted to spend that much. That's a personal choice. I have some plugins and I'm pretty sure I didn't spend that much money, and even if I did it would be a one-off.


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Robin S. Kurz
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 26, 2017 at 2:01:41 pm

[andy patterson] "I also don't want plugins."

Of course not. PPro is perfect as is.


[andy patterson] The price of FCPX prior to plugins $299.99. After plugins $960.00."

You of course wouldn't care to break that down, right? You know, the whole "arse" thing and all?

- RK


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andy patterson
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 26, 2017 at 6:06:18 pm

[Robin S. Kurz] "[andy patterson] "I also don't want plugins."

Of course not. PPro is perfect as is."


How do you equate not wanting plugins with me thinking Premiere is perfect? It makes no sense. In the Premiere Pro forum I point out the flaws of Premiere Pro CC all the time. I bet I have a bad mouthed Premiere Pro more than you have bad mouthed FCPX but I wouldn't claim you thought FCPX was perfect if you stated you didn't want plugins. Having said that I don't want plugins if I can avoid them.

[Robin S. Kurz] "[andy patterson] The price of FCPX prior to plugins $299.99. After plugins $960.00."

You of course wouldn't care to break that down, right? You know, the whole "arse" thing and all?

- RK"


Don't you need a plugin for VR?. Didn't Wes Plate make a plugin like Automatic Duck for FPX and Motion? Shouldn't Apple have that built in? I forget the name of the plugins to give FCPX all the color correction options of Premiere Pro. Having said that the color correction plugins have their own little mini GUI. It is like the plugins that Premiere had to use when using the Matrox RT 2000 or the Canopus DV Storm. I found that to be annoying. Premiere Pro is not perfect but at least I do not need a 3rd party plugin to link to Premiere Pro to After Effects.

https://fxfactory.com/info/xsendmotion/

Well there you have the break down. Having said that how much does the FCPX arse plugin cost : )


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Robin S. Kurz
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 26, 2017 at 6:34:40 pm
Last Edited By Robin S. Kurz on Jan 26, 2017 at 6:38:11 pm

[andy patterson] "How do you equate not wanting plugins with me thinking Premiere is perfect?"

Okay. So you're not clear on the whole point of plugins. Okay.



[andy patterson] "Don't you need a plugin for VR?"

Nope.


[andy patterson] "Didn't Wes Plate make a plugin like Automatic Duck for FPX and Motion?"

Yepp. 99 bucks. So? Still waiting for the missing $660,01… which you clearly can't quantify, but merely pulled out… oh never mind.


[andy patterson] "Shouldn't Apple have that built in?"

Should've? Why? Do you know your way around Motion? What is it you need from Motion? What is it you think everyone needs Motion for, therefore there should be additional integration above and beyond the highly intricate integration that already exists? Have you even the slightest clue what that integration entails? I'm guessing not the least bit. So I guess we're back to the "arse" part?


[andy patterson] "but at least I do not need a 3rd party plugin to link to Premiere Pro to After Effects."

Aha. I clearly guessed correctly. You obviously don't know what you're talking about and are therefore merely trolling. Ergo: this is a complete waste of my time. Cheers.

- RK

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andy patterson
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 27, 2017 at 12:48:17 am

[Robin S. Kurz] "[andy patterson] "How do you equate not wanting plugins with me thinking Premiere is perfect?"

Okay. So you're not clear on the whole point of plugins. Okay."


I am clear on plugins. They give extra features to any given program. Like when using the CC from Canopus for the DV Storm or the CC for the Matrox RT 2000. Only the plugin effects were real-time. They have their own little GUI window.

[Robin S. Kurz] "[andy patterson] "Didn't Wes Plate make a plugin like Automatic Duck for FPX and Motion?"

Yepp. 99 bucks. So? Still waiting for the missing $660,01… which you clearly can't quantify, but merely pulled out… oh never mind."


It would be up to you to decide what CC plugin you want or what VR plugin in you want. My point is Premiere has some features FCPX does not. Instead of paying for plugins you should want Apple to make FCPX better by adding them into the program. Is there a plugin like Adobe Anywhere? How much is it? Why not have it be part of FCPX? See my point?

[Robin S. Kurz] "[andy patterson] "Shouldn't Apple have that built in?"

Should've? Why? Do you know your way around Motion? What is it you need from Motion? What is it you think everyone needs Motion for, therefore there should be additional integration above and beyond the highly intricate integration that already exists? Have you even the slightest clue what that integration entails? I'm guessing not the least bit. So I guess we're back to the "arse" part?"


I pointed out a plugin. Having said that your comments are silly and meaningless? Obviously some people needed it or Wes Plate would not have created it. Having said that Wes seemed to figure it out. Why didn't Apple?

[Robin S. Kurz] "[andy patterson] "but at least I do not need a 3rd party plugin to link to Premiere Pro to After Effects."

Aha. I clearly guessed correctly. You obviously don't know what you're talking about and are therefore merely trolling. Ergo: this is a complete waste of my time. Cheers."


Trolling? You are upset because I called you out on your BS. You on the other hand do not want to discuss FCPX productively. You only want to praise it. What is the point?


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Robin S. Kurz
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 26, 2017 at 2:20:04 pm
Last Edited By Robin S. Kurz on Jan 26, 2017 at 2:21:43 pm

[andy patterson] The price of FCPX prior to plugins $299.99. After plugins $960.00."

We'll also conveniently ignore that PPro CC by itself would have cost you $880 (so in 5 months you'll have paid even more and with every additional month… you do the math) and for CC in general $2200 to date… again, only going UP.

Final Cut Pro X, Motion and Compressor together to date? Roughly $5.80 a month. Oh right… and going DOWN with each additional month.

Oops.

So what was your point again? I forget.

- RK


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andy patterson
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 26, 2017 at 6:32:53 pm

[Robin S. Kurz] "[andy patterson] The price of FCPX prior to plugins $299.99. After plugins $960.00."

We'll also conveniently ignore that PPro CC by itself would have cost you $880 (so in 5 months you'll have paid even more and with every additional month… you do the math) and for CC in general $2200 to date… again, only going UP."


For me it is not the price. Plugins can be annoying. Having said that you are attacking a strawman because I do not praise the CC paradigm. In fact I have stated I like the CS paradigm better than the CC paradigm but I cannot control that. I also never stated or implied Premiere was less expensive than FCPX. In another thread I stated many people will probably switch to FCPX because it works just fine and it is less expensive than renting PP. You have to learn to respond to comments I actually make. I am saying most people will have more invested in plugins than FCPX it's self. That is what you need to respond to. A good response would be "Andy you are right the plugins can end up costing more than FCPX. Having said that I will admit FCPX at $300.00 is a good price. Apple should ask $800.00 for it. People would still buy it for $800.00.

[Robin S. Kurz] "inal Cut Pro X, Motion and Compressor together to date? Roughly $5.80 a month. Oh right… and going DOWN with each additional month."

Don't forget to add $99.99 to the price : )

https://fxfactory.com/info/xsendmotion/


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Scott Smith
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 26, 2017 at 3:10:34 am

FCP has an export to YouTube option. So does Premiere. And it has been there for a while. So what? One thing that can be very handy for many professionals, is the ftp upload on export in Premiere. I believe they also have a box.com and/or Dropbox upload in there as well. It isn't some flashy, style over substance, pointless feature. You can send your final edit to a client after hours when the transcode is finished and you aren't even there. It is a great feature.



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Guille Ibanez
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 26, 2017 at 9:41:51 am

I don't mind Premiere having that social panel, i really don't.
However, I DO mind a bug that makes the multicam timeline play constantly even when you hit stop or a bug that constantly regenerates the thumbs in the bin. And there were many others or others...If these very obvious bugs live within the software for several versions and all you see is new social panels then I do mind it. That's my main critique


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Robin S. Kurz
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 26, 2017 at 10:11:17 am
Last Edited By Robin S. Kurz on Jan 26, 2017 at 10:12:06 am

[Guille Ibanez] "I don't mind Premiere having that social panel, i really don't. "

I for one love the social media integration in Final Cut Pro X, since I upload a lot of clips to both Youtube and Vimeo and the amount keeps growing. Without the direct access via the respective APIs you'd be left having to re-enter absolutely everything online after your upload in terms of various infos and metadata. Data that I have already long completed in FCP, mostly with automated custom metadata sets. This way I just enter it once, everything from description, genre, tags, episode etc. etc. and upload. Everything is retained. And if there's a correction, rinse and repeat. I've had to upload 50+ clips at once and if I had had to go in afterwards to re-enter all the information… wow. I'm assuming with PPro it's the same.


[Guille Ibanez] "If these very obvious bugs live within the software for several versions and all you see is new [enter random feature here] then I do mind it."

A reoccurring theme it would seem, yes. And here I thought I remember there being talk of the whole point being "Keep the revenue stream going month after month after month and we'll be able to constantly and more quickly update and improve the software!"… hm.

- RK

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Steve Connor
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 26, 2017 at 10:44:28 am

[Robin S. Kurz] " "Keep the revenue stream going month after month after month and we'll be able to constantly and more quickly update and improve the software!"… hm.
"


and release buggy updates because the devs are under pressure to add features regularly


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Robin S. Kurz
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 26, 2017 at 11:24:29 am

[Steve Connor] "and release buggy updates because the devs are under pressure to add features regularly"

Yupp. Apparently they have their priorities rather mixed up. The PR dept. probably doesn't think bug fixes are anywhere near as sexy. Or maybe they think "squashing a bug" means piling more and more stuff on top until it suffocates on its own? 😛

Say what you will about FCP's supposed "lacking" feature-set (whatever someone thinks that could be), but what it does it does well and at least in my case very solidly. Can't personally think of any bug worth mentioning that has survived more than maybe two updates.

- RK

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Steve Connor
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 26, 2017 at 11:31:02 am

[Robin S. Kurz] "and at least in my case very solidly"

Mine too, stability has been one of the many reasons it's my primary edit tool, it's let me down far less than any other NLE I've used in the past


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Scott Witthaus
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 26, 2017 at 11:44:41 am

[Robin S. Kurz] "Say what you will about FCP's supposed "lacking" feature-set (whatever someone thinks that could be), but what it does it does well and at least in my case very solidly. Can't personally think of any bug worth mentioning that has survived more than maybe two updates.
"


Exactly, Robin.

Here's a question to debate: If Premiere was a standalone product in the market (not attached to Adobe and the other products at all), where do you feel it would rank in the NLE world? I ask that because I hear so many people saying they use Premiere because of the (kinda good) links with AE and PS. What if it wasn't?

Have at it, folks! ;-)

Scott Witthaus
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Robin S. Kurz
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 26, 2017 at 1:10:59 pm

[Scott Witthaus] "If Premiere was a standalone product in the market (not attached to Adobe and the other products at all), where do you feel it would rank in the NLE world?"

I'd say, for me, right behind Final Cut Pro X. Most definitely way ahead of Avid. Resolve is pretty damn close though, but really only because of the whole FREE thing, it's biggest feature after being a superb color app, not NLE. The only other two I have ever had to deal with. But then I haven't had any in-production experience with Avid in about eight years. But the leap that it would have had to have made since then would have to be astronomical to move up the list at all, and I know it hasn't. My use of PPro has been sporadic the last few years, but enough that I'm confidant I'm more than able to judge how it does in comparison. Again, for me. But then ANY track-based NLE has become a complete no-go, so ultimately…


[Scott Witthaus] "I ask that because I hear so many people saying they use Premiere because of the (kinda good) links with AE and PS."

Guess how much those people actually know of any other alternatives?

Ironically, I miss the integration with Illustrator much more than the other two, seeing that it's practically non-existent for FCP and M5 at the moment. Also because the PS integration with FCP and Motion is perfectly sufficient for me and what I do. And Motion's integration with FCP X is factually much deeper and tighter than that between PPro and AE. Yes, factually. Unfortunately no one is ever able to see past the "send to/open from the timeline" thing (which of course you can do, too, with XSendMotion if need be), as if that were as relevant as they like to make it. Of course if that's in fact where the integration ends for you, that can be pretty damn important, yeah. Surprise. Then they'll tout "Dynamic Link!", which, as anyone that has actually ever used it knows perfectly well, rarely has anything "Dynamic" about it, sorry. Hence the addition of "Render and Replace"? Gee. Wonder why. Wait, what happened to "Dynamic"?? 😏

Want true "Dynamic"? Take a look at Motion files in a Final Cut Pro X timeline. How many colors can you change of your AE project from within PPro for example? Replace content? Exchange the entire layout, animation, individual layers etc. etc. without having to re-open it in AE? Create custom video transitions for PPro? Create custom effect filters? How bout generators? Have immediate access to your AE file or files in PPro by doing nothing but hitting ⌘S and don't have to go through some import dialog dance because you forgot where you put it? Have that file available for any and every project after that, neatly tucked away in its own category or even theme, without having to even think about it?

Exactly.

For me, that's integration. YMMV. 😉

- RK


p.s. And please, I am NOT saying Motion is better than AE, is a replacement or whatever yadda yadda yadda. That wasn't the question. And no, it isn't. For some things. 😬 And especially not if your NLE is PPro or motion graphics are your main source of income. Duh.

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Andrew Kimery
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 26, 2017 at 5:00:39 pm

[Guille Ibanez] "If these very obvious bugs live within the software for several versions and all you see is new social panels then I do mind it. That's my main critique
"


Understandable, though it's a bit of a hyperbolic statement. No piece of software will be bug free and, Adobe, like all software companies with more than one or two employees, works on multiple new features and bug fixes concurrently. For example, besides the new social panel (which is still in an invite only beta) the 2017 update had improved captioning/subtitling, team projects (also still beta AFAIK), improved support for Apple's Metal, new audio filters, better integration between PPro and AE, improvements to the Lumetri tool, etc.,. A few days ago they also dropped an update with a lot of bug fixes.

I haven't upgraded to 2017 yet (and I'm on Mac, not Windows) so I can't say if the problems you experienced still exist or not.

I've been using PPro as my primary NLE since 2013/2014 (a mix of Avid and FCP before that) and in my experience it hasn't been buggy. Are there bugs? Of course, but I obviously haven't hit the point where I've gone, "That's it, I hate this program. I'm out." I guess I've been lucky in that the really annoying bugs I've come across have always been fixed within an update or two.

[Scott Witthaus] "However, for Premiere users (albeit it very infrequently in my case) having a new social panel with two-way data flow show up while old bugs still exist and new bugs show up is very frustrating, to the point of the OP leaving the software to move to another platform.
"


So out of all the new features in CC 2017 it was definitely the work on the social media panel that meant not enough bugs could be addressed? 😉

Everyone complains when they feel like their specific needs aren't being met but off-the-shelf solutions are always going to have things that one person finds amazing and the next person in line finds useless (and of course that person will always comment about all the time 'wasted' on a feature just because it's not relevant to their specific workflow). Why not say Adobe should've spent less time on improving support for Apple's Metal (which obviously only benefits Mac users) instead of focusing on bugs that appear in both the Mac and PC versions? Or less time working on the Team Projects since (I assume) most people don't work in the collaborate, team-based environment that Team Projects is designed for?


[Scott Witthaus] "Here's a question to debate: If Premiere was a standalone product in the market (not attached to Adobe and the other products at all), where do you feel it would rank in the NLE world?"

Everyone's workflow is different but at least in my neck of the woods I don't think it would change a thing. If PPro wasn't a capable NLE to begin with then I don't think the integration would matter (outside of maybe some very specific workflows where you don't need a capable NLE).

To continue the thought process, how would you rank FCP X w/o Motion or Compressor? How about X, MC, PPro and Resolve as completely stand alone, isolated applications (no plugins, no linking with other piece of software, etc.)?


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Robin S. Kurz
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 26, 2017 at 5:39:37 pm
Last Edited By Robin S. Kurz on Jan 26, 2017 at 5:50:23 pm

[Andrew Kimery] "To continue the thought process, how would you rank FCP X w/o Motion or Compressor?"

That's an easy one. 😄

Even without Motion, any and every Final Cut Pro X user can partake in the massive (more often than not FREE) ecosystem of filters, titles, templates etc. etc. etc. that exist. All of which they can use and customize within FCP. Again, without Motion let alone Compressor. One of the top reasons that FCP X outranks PPro as an NLE for a much wider range of editors IMO, not to mention for me. 😋

What does PPro have to offer in that respect? Resolve or Avid? Honest question. I don't know of anything.

Sure, you might now argue that all that wouldn't be possible without Motion. But again: integration. I'm not the one that made it that way i.e. came up with the brilliant idea not to make Motion just a cheap, loosely bolted-on sidecar app, but a truly integral part of FCP. Without Motion you wouldn't have a single effect, title or transition in FCP, so yeah, that would suck to say the least. But that's hardly a legitimate argument.

But if you wanted to stick to that premise anyway, then even iMovie would kick FCP's backend many times over. Go figure. Competition over.

In other words, you CAN'T take Motion out of the equation entirely one way or the other. But you sure can take AE out of PPro's equation and next to NOTHING would change. So I'd say it's an impossible comparison.

- RK


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Jason Watson
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 27, 2017 at 2:11:54 am

[Robin S. Kurz] "Even without Motion, any and every Final Cut Pro X user can partake in the massive (more often than not FREE) ecosystem of filters, titles, templates etc. etc. etc. that exist."

[Robin S. Kurz] "What does PPro have to offer in that respect?"

There are lots of the same sorts of things available for Premiere; it's easy to find LUT's, color correction presets, templates, titles, effects, etc., all of which work directly in Premiere.

I'd also say that, for myself, the built-in Lumetri Color tool is a stand-out feature in regards to something built-in to the NLE, especially for the broader range of editors in that it allows for really great in-app color correction that's really easy to use, especially if one is familiar with working with images in Lightroom or Adobe RAW. I've largely stopped using Speedgrade because of it, and it definitely has saved me tons of time.


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Robin S. Kurz
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 27, 2017 at 6:41:10 pm

[Jason Watson] "There are lots of the same sorts of things available for Premiere; it's easy to find LUT's, color correction presets, templates, titles, effects, etc., all of which work directly in Premiere."

I'd say you missed the entire core of what I was describing. I'm not just talking simple templates and presets. This is a WHOLE other ball o' wax, sorry.


[Jason Watson] "Lumetri Color tool is a stand-out feature in regards to something built-in to the NLE"

There are a plethora of 3rd party CC tools for X that can certainly hold their own. Not just one. And that for just a tiny fraction of the cost. In other words for less than even a few months of the Adobe CC ransom… erm, subscription. So yeah, apples and oranges.

- RK

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Oliver Peters
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 26, 2017 at 5:59:57 pm

[Andrew Kimery] " improved support for Apple's Metal"

I agree with everything you posted, except that the using Metal currently doesn't work at all right now. It was broken with the latest OS and/or CC update. I have confirmed with Adobe that this is a driver issue, which is currently being worked on between Apple and Adobe.

- Oliver

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Shawn Miller
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 26, 2017 at 6:50:45 pm

[Oliver Peters] "[Andrew Kimery] " improved support for Apple's Metal"

I agree with everything you posted, except that the using Metal currently doesn't work at all right now. It was broken with the latest OS and/or CC update. I have confirmed with Adobe that this is a driver issue, which is currently being worked on between Apple and Adobe."


Doesn't this support Andrew's point though? A PC user could say that Adobe is wasting time and resources supporting Metal instead of fixing "important" cross platform bugs. ☺

Shawn



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Robin S. Kurz
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 26, 2017 at 6:52:46 pm

[Shawn Miller] "Doesn't this support Andrew's point though? A PC user could say that Adobe is wasting time and resources supporting Metal instead of fixing "important" cross platform bugs."

You beat me to it. 😝

- RK

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Andrew Kimery
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 26, 2017 at 6:52:41 pm

[Oliver Peters] "I agree with everything you posted, except that the using Metal currently doesn't work at all right now. It was broken with the latest OS and/or CC update. I have confirmed with Adobe that this is a driver issue, which is currently being worked on between Apple and Adobe."

Thanks for the clarification, Oliver. I was going off of Adobe's list from the Nov release and wasn't aware of a recent issue.


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Brian Seegmiller
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Feb 9, 2017 at 7:50:53 pm

The way I look at it is this. Third party developers can create and update there plugins faster than if the feature was in the software itself. It might not be a priority to fix a half baked in feature of the software, therefore it takes longer to fix.


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Shawn Miller
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Feb 9, 2017 at 8:13:56 pm
Last Edited By Shawn Miller on Feb 9, 2017 at 8:14:58 pm

[Brian Seegmiller] "The way I look at it is this. Third party developers can create and update there plugins faster than if the feature was in the software itself. It might not be a priority to fix a half baked in feature of the software, therefore it takes longer to fix."

I think that's true of all software, even plugins. ☺ Show stopping bugs can linger for long periods of time if they don't affect a large number of users, or if it's hard to invoke the offending behavior - these bugs can sometimes get less priority than minor UI tweaks. The other side of the coin is that, if the host application breaks the plugin and the provider doesn't consider a fix a major priority, then the plugin developer might be stuck.

Shawn



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Oliver Peters
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 26, 2017 at 2:28:41 pm

[Scott Smith] "You can send your final edit to a client after hours when the transcode is finished and you aren't even there. It is a great feature."

While a nice thought, it's pretty dangerous. Renders aren't always corruption-free.

- Oliver

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Andrew Kimery
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 26, 2017 at 5:35:01 am

[Scott Witthaus] "No thank you. Focus on a new title tool please. Or the tilde bug."

So... don't use it? I'm sure the PPro team is big enough that multiple things can be worked on at one time. 😉 I think I've used the existing publish to Vimeo/YT/FB feature exactly once in the last 3-ish years I've been using PPro, but just because it's a wasted feature on me doesn't mean it's a wasted feature in general.

Many times in this forum people have lamented the devs focusing on the relatively small, but high profile, TV/film part of the industry and this new Publishing Tool obviously caters to a much broader (and growing) audience but the complaints keep coming. ;)


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Scott Witthaus
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 26, 2017 at 10:37:14 am

[Andrew Kimery] "So... don't use it? "

I don't. Not saying having presets for social sites is a bad thing (at least that's what I thought I said). If that is your workflow, you can set that up in X as well. However, for Premiere users (albeit it very infrequently in my case) having a new social panel with two-way data flow show up while old bugs still exist and new bugs show up is very frustrating, to the point of the OP leaving the software to move to another platform.

Scott Witthaus
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Herb Sevush
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 27, 2017 at 3:08:14 am

[Scott Witthaus] "to the point of the OP leaving the software to move to another platform."

The OP chose, at this point in time, without specifying any need for ProRes deliverables, to re-build his editing business using Imacs as his hardware platform. Anything he has to say beyond that is of no interest to me whatsoever.

Herb Sevush
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Robin S. Kurz
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 27, 2017 at 9:46:47 am
Last Edited By Robin S. Kurz on Jan 27, 2017 at 10:58:26 am

[Herb Sevush] "Anything he has to say beyond that is of no interest to me whatsoever."

Of course not. Spoken as a true, 110% solipsist. No surprises there. 😄


[Herb Sevush] ""Deciding the spine is the process of editing""

Oh the irony!! 😂 Seeing that the FCP's primary storyline has often been described as the "spine" of one's edit. Which makes the "nothin' attached to nothin'" look even funnier.

- RK


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Herb Sevush
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 27, 2017 at 12:01:35 pm

[Robin S. Kurz] "Of course not. Spoken as a true, 110% solipsist. No surprises there."

I'm aware others exist, it's just that when their values are so skewed from mine their is little I can glean from their opinions. Similar to how I think anyone who posts on technical forums using emoticons, and isn't 14 years old, shouldn't be taken seriously.

[Robin S. Kurz] "Oh the irony!! 😂 Seeing that the FCP's primary storyline has often been described as the "spine" of one's edit. Which makes the "nothin' attached to nothin'" look even funnier."

There's nothing ironic about it, its causal.

6 years ago, when this forum started and X was but a seed, part of the explanation for how FCPX was supposed to work was that the "spine" of the edit should be placed on the primary storyline. Franz Bieberkopf, who was a major and influential contributor back then, thought that was backwards since "deciding the spine is the process of editing" and how could you chose what to make primary when that information only revealed itself over time. In fairness to Franz, after I started using that line in my posts, he asked if I would drop it because, on reflection, he thought that "deciding the spine" was only one of many processes of editing. I should probably take the attribution away, but I still think it's a brilliant line and I hesitate to take credit for it.

That line shouldn't be taken as a critique of the way FCPX actually works -- even I, ignorant as I am, understand that moving things in and out of the primary is simple and that X is as fully capable of "revealing the spine" as any other NLE, but it's my favorite description of the work I do, so sorry Franz, I'm keeping it.

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Robin S. Kurz
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 27, 2017 at 12:07:02 pm

[Herb Sevush] "when their values are so skewed from mine their is little I can glean from their opinions."

Thank you for admitting it so freely on your own. Brilliant. I think we all know what that's called. Good luck with that going forward! 👍🏼

- RK


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Bill Davis
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 27, 2017 at 3:19:40 pm

[Herb Sevush] "Similar to how I think anyone who posts on technical forums using emoticons, and isn't 14 years old, shouldn't be taken seriously.
"


Well.....

Stuff evolves. Emoticons begat emojis.
Now I use emojis to GREAT organizational effect in my FCP X database to visually depict the state of my work in progress.

This is how my Projects list now appears when I'm doing VO work on my developing XinTwo series. I have 100+ scripts/VOs to manage and knowing at a glance which is complete and at what state the rest currently are in is pretty MAJORLY useful when I need to exit my client work and pick up the baton again.

YMMV.



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Bill Davis
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 27, 2017 at 5:01:45 pm
Last Edited By Bill Davis on Jan 27, 2017 at 5:02:16 pm

Accidental double post.


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Steve Connor
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 27, 2017 at 12:51:59 pm

[Robin S. Kurz] "Of course not. Spoken as a true, 110% solipsist. No surprises there. 😄

"


Did I imagine it or did you have a line about "his karma clashing with your dogma"?

Really liked it, was going to steal it


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Bill Davis
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 27, 2017 at 4:09:18 pm
Last Edited By Bill Davis on Jan 27, 2017 at 4:11:59 pm

[Steve Connor] "Did I imagine it or did you have a line about "his karma clashing with your dogma"?

Really liked it, was going to steal it"



There is a great kernel of truth hidden somewhere in there.

Perhaps - "If Dogma catches Karma - what then?"

😊

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Robin S. Kurz
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 27, 2017 at 5:12:44 pm

No. My karma clearly ran over his dogma. 😉

- RK

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Steve Connor
Re: "Adobexit", switching from PPro to FCPX
on Jan 27, 2017 at 5:21:37 pm

[Robin S. Kurz] "No. My karma clearly ran over his dogma. "

Thanks I'll be stealing that one ☺







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