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David Mathis
Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 14, 2016 at 9:12:35 pm

It is now the middle of June with me waiting for another update to FCP X wondering what gives. I am getting worried that it might be the next item that will be on the EOL list. Guess it is time for Plan B to be put in place.

Tetris is my favorite video game unless tracks are involved.


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Darren Roark
Re: Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 14, 2016 at 9:25:24 pm

They did two standing room only presentations at NAB where everyone had to sign an NDA.

All I could get out of anyone who went is "You're gonna be very happy."

Patience!


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Douglas K. Dempsey
Re: Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 14, 2016 at 10:05:13 pm

Ha ha, that statement sounds like a flashback from 2011.

Doug D


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Oliver Peters
Re: Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 14, 2016 at 10:19:23 pm

The unknown is whether this has to wait until Sierra and whether or not that introduces yet another round of compatibility issues.

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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David Roth Weiss
Re: Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 14, 2016 at 10:24:39 pm

Come on Oliver, spill the beans... I know you're well aware that Apple has decided to EOL FCPX and bring back Legacy. Why are you torturing these guys?

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist & Workflow Consultant
David Weiss Productions
Los Angeles


David is a Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Apple Final Cut Pro forum.


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Oliver Peters
Re: Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 14, 2016 at 11:16:25 pm

[David Roth Weiss] "Come on Oliver, spill the beans..."

No, actually the next version will only work on Windows 10. :)

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Walter Soyka
Re: Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 14, 2016 at 10:27:28 pm

[Oliver Peters] "The unknown is whether this has to wait until Sierra and whether or not that introduces yet another round of compatibility issues."

Any word on whether old-school QuickTime will be supported in Sierra?

Walter Soyka
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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 14, 2016 at 10:40:33 pm

[Walter Soyka] "Any word on whether old-school QuickTime will be supported in Sierra?"

Marge will find it out there by the lake:







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Oliver Peters
Re: Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 14, 2016 at 10:59:51 pm

[Walter Soyka] "Any word on whether old-school QuickTime will be supported in Sierra?"

Alex Gollner commented on that in his blog. Go to the end.

http://alex4d.com/notes/item/apple-wwdc-2016-and-nles

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Darren Roark
Re: Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 14, 2016 at 11:03:30 pm

[Douglas K. Dempsey] "Ha ha, that statement sounds like a flashback from 2011."

It's true, the other tidbit I got was "They are trashing everything in FCP X and starting over from scratch again and rebranding it fcpOS."

It will require a VR headset and special gloves to operate.

OK, not true.


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Claude Lyneis
Re: Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 15, 2016 at 12:00:40 am

And changing its name to iMovie Pro.


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Craig Seeman
Re: Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 15, 2016 at 1:58:54 am
Last Edited By Craig Seeman on Jun 15, 2016 at 1:59:12 am

After Magix bought Vegas Pro they decided to offer to buy FCPX rather than make a Mac version. Apple said yes.
It was actually Magix that did the NAB presentation and that's why they had everyone sign the NDA.



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Charlie Austin
Re: Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 15, 2016 at 2:03:28 am

[Craig Seeman] "After Magix bought Vegas Pro they decided to offer to buy FCPX rather than make a Mac version. Apple said yes.
It was actually Magix that did the NAB presentation and that's why they had everyone sign the NDA.
"


You weren't supposed to tell!

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David Mathis
Re: Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 15, 2016 at 3:12:09 am

I will be migrating to Resolve now.


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Mitch Ives
Re: Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 16, 2016 at 7:35:20 pm

[Douglas K. Dempsey] "Ha ha, that statement sounds like a flashback from 2011."

LOL... my reaction as well...

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

"Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things." - Winston Churchill


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Charlie Austin
Re: Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 15, 2016 at 12:46:50 am

[David Mathis] "It is now the middle of June with me waiting for another update to FCP X wondering what gives. I am getting worried that it might be the next item that will be on the EOL list. Guess it is time for Plan B to be put in place.
"


The sky isn't falling.

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~"It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools."~
~I still need to play Track Tetris sometimes. An old game that you can never win~
~"The function you just attempted is not yet implemented"~


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Neil Sadwelkar
Re: Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 15, 2016 at 5:07:47 am

Just as many rumour sites 'read the tea leaves' on dwindling stocks or big discount on a particular item to predict an impending update, when I start seeing discounts on tutorials on a particular software, I think an update is around the corner. Maybe some tutorial makers are given an 'inside track' on features in the update a bit before time so they can get their updates ready on launch day. So they 'know' and then begin discounting their inventory. This is just conjecture, of course.

At Ripple Training, I saw discounts on Resolve 11 Tutorials just before 12 was announced. And, their FCP 10.2 tutorials were ready so soon after the launch of FCP 10.2 that it looked like they had it in advance. And, if I remember right 10.1 tutorials are discounted weeks before 10.2 was available.

Take a look at their FCP X tutorial page now...

http://www.rippletraining.com/categories/final-cut-pro/

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Neil Sadwelkar
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FCP Editor, Edit systems consultant
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David Mathis
Re: Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 15, 2016 at 4:10:00 pm

Just noticed that Ripple Training is having a "Sizzling Summer Sale" with FCP X training for 40% off, just got an e-mail yesterday. Could this indicate a new version?


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Craig Seeman
Re: Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 15, 2016 at 6:08:16 pm

Although with online tutorials it's not like they're dumping old stock. It may widen their contact list for upgrades to new training though.



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Scott Witthaus
Re: Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 15, 2016 at 10:10:59 am

[David Mathis] "Guess it is time for Plan B to be put in place.
"


And here I am trying to think of what one big thing the next release might include that I just have to have or else! ;-)

Can't think of it....

Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
1708 Inc./Editorial
Professor, VCU Brandcenter


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John Young
Re: Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 15, 2016 at 9:58:56 pm

Oh, Timecode overlays with source timecode (and other metadata), center timeline on zoom in/out, multiple browser windows, a simple way to use alpha channels in proxy mode, better keyframe gui. Just off the top of my head. There are lots of things that need polish. I gave them until the last underwhelming update to make a semi-final decision for our office. I still use FCPX a lot for smaller personal projects, but for our "professional" work, we've settled on Premiere. They are consistently making solid improvements while I twiddle my thumbs waiting blindly on updates to FCPX. Like I said, though, I use it a lot. I just wish improving it were a bigger priority.


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Charlie Austin
Re: Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 15, 2016 at 10:11:43 pm

[John Young] "Timecode overlays with source timecode (and other metadata),"

That would be useful

[John Young] "center timeline on zoom in/out, "

that could work better, but the fact I can focus the zoom with playhead or scrubber is great, really miss that when In Premiere

[John Young] "multiple browser windows,"

not a biggie for me, but sure, as an option. I've grown to hate browser panel clutter...

[John Young] "a simple way to use alpha channels in proxy mode"

yep

[John Young] "better keyframe gui."

Honestly, the fact that in Pr the key framing UI is so far removed from the clip is maddening. X could definitely be improved, but I prefer the UI on the clip method at this point. YMMV of course. :-)


[John Young] "I just wish improving it were a bigger priority."

Just a guess, but I think it is. Obviously not as quickly as some would like...

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~ My FCPX Babbling blog ~
~"It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools."~
~I still need to play Track Tetris sometimes. An old game that you can never win~
~"The function you just attempted is not yet implemented"~


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Andy Field
Re: Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 16, 2016 at 3:16:03 am

Key framing in Pr "too far removed from clip"

Doesn't have to be - you can expand the video or audio track in the time timeline - pick your parameter with a control or right click - and do the key framing right on the clip - and not in the effects window - if you'd like

Andy Field
FieldVision Productions
N. Bethesda, Maryland 20852


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Charlie Austin
Re: Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 16, 2016 at 6:53:04 am

[Andy Field] "- and do the key framing right on the clip - and not in the effects window - if you'd like"

Of course, and I do that with retiming etc. But for fine tuning ya kinda gotta head to the panel. It's like anything I guess, get used to doing it one way and doing it another way seems convoluted. Not saying KF's in X are perfect of course, could always be better. :-)

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~ My FCPX Babbling blog ~
~"It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools."~
~I still need to play Track Tetris sometimes. An old game that you can never win~
~"The function you just attempted is not yet implemented"~


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Oliver Peters
Re: Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 16, 2016 at 1:45:08 pm

[Charlie Austin] " It's like anything I guess, get used to doing it one way and doing it another way seems convoluted."

Then this layout would drive you crazy. :)

http://www.redsharknews.com/production/item/3560-going-ultrawide-with-devin...

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Scott Witthaus
Re: Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 16, 2016 at 10:25:42 am

[John Young] " I still use FCPX a lot for smaller personal projects, but for our "professional" work, we've settled on Premiere. "

Funny. I went exactly the opposite. Premiere only when a facility does not have X. Luckily, the shop where I have done most of my "out of office " editing carries all three of the A's and allows the editor to make his/her choice.

[John Young] "Timecode overlays with source timecode (and other metadata"

This would be nice, yes. But nothing on your list is a game-changer, IMHO. To each his/her own. For $600 bucks a year, I would sure as hell expect Premiere to be updated incrementally.

Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
1708 Inc./Editorial
Professor, VCU Brandcenter


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Bill Davis
Re: Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 16, 2016 at 5:54:01 pm

[John Young] "Oh, Timecode overlays with source timecode (and other metadata), center timeline on zoom in/out, multiple browser windows, a simple way to use alpha channels in proxy mode, better keyframe gui. Just off the top of my head. There are lots of things that need polish. I gave them until the last underwhelming update to make a semi-final decision for our office. I still use FCPX a lot for smaller personal projects, but for our "professional" work, we've settled on Premiere. They are consistently making solid improvements while I twiddle my thumbs waiting blindly on updates to FCPX. Like I said, though, I use it a lot. I just wish improving it were a bigger priority."

Tactics
Tactics
Tactics
Tactics...

I still yearn for refinements and updates in Strategy.

Those don't just win battles, they win whole wars.

FWIW.

Creator of XinTwo - http://www.xintwo.com
The shortest path to FCP X mastery.


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Oliver Peters
Re: Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 16, 2016 at 9:16:27 pm

[Bill Davis] "Tactics..."

I'm not sure any of the NLEs is offering anything other than slight differences in tactics.

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Mitch Ives
Re: Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 16, 2016 at 7:39:43 pm

Bet we still won't be able to keyframe the color corrector...

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

"Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things." - Winston Churchill


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Daniel Ludwig
Re: Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 17, 2016 at 1:08:05 pm

.. still waiting for audio-mixer and mixing-automiations for external devices! oops - roles-based mixer ;)


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Bill Davis
Re: Oh Update Where Art Thou?
on Jun 19, 2016 at 6:16:22 pm

From what we learned at the WWDC, Apple is on the path to a pretty fundamental revamp of its core file handling system, one that has serious, system wide implications for every Application that runs on any of the 4 Apple OSs. On just MacOS, we also have new Skylake processors landing in mass, HFS+ going away, Sierra rolling out - so development happening on multiple fronts in the Apple ecosystem.
Revising something like FCP X in such an environmental stew must be ... Interesting.

Time will reveal whether or not this stuff impacts how X developes for the future.

And away we go!

Creator of XinTwo - http://www.xintwo.com
The shortest path to FCP X mastery.


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