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Steve Connor
El Capitan and FCPX
on Sep 30, 2015 at 1:46:23 pm

So todays the day El Capitan is released, obviously you shouldn't upgrade without making a full system backup first, but what do we now about how FCPX works with it?


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David Mathis
Re: El Capitan and FCPX
on Sep 30, 2015 at 4:30:15 pm

I am going to do a fresh install from the ground up but thinking of having a Yosemite partition to just to play it safe. The only reason I am a bit hesitant to upgrade now is because I also run Resolve and Fusion along with Photoshop. Until it is known what issues there are, going to hold off updating. When that time comes, a clean install from the ground up is in order. I never like the idea of putting a new version of OS X on top of an existing one. Too many weird things can happen and I don't want to play "Slay The Glitch Gremlins" game.


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John Davidson
Re: El Capitan and FCPX
on Sep 30, 2015 at 8:08:05 pm

I've been using it for a few weeks on my home system and two weeks on my work retina iMac. Some issues initially with Mail not wanting to play nice, but that's worked itself out and I've been working with AE and FCPX without a hitch.

That's not to say I'm upgrading all our systems to it just yet - but it's not a terrible upgrade. Run time machine first, etc. And maybe wait a week.

John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.


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Oliver Peters
Re: El Capitan and FCPX
on Sep 30, 2015 at 8:12:41 pm

I think the issues boil down to plug-ins that rely on Mac OS X frameworks, notably core image and core audio. If you use Logic Pro X, it seems that it should be avoided, because of the plug-ins there, like native instruments. Red Giant has announced compatibility and I've heard that Color Finale is also good to go.

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Mathieu Ghekiere
Re: El Capitan and FCPX
on Sep 30, 2015 at 8:20:28 pm

Coremelt and Digital Rebellion should also be fine.
And plug-ins based on Motion should also be pretty safe to go.


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Steve Connor
Re: El Capitan and FCPX
on Sep 30, 2015 at 8:23:40 pm

Adobe have said that PPro has some issues at the moment, so I'm holding off until they have official support


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John Davidson
Re: El Capitan and FCPX
on Sep 30, 2015 at 8:37:39 pm

I should add that Native Instruments has some issues loading applications, but I don't really use that much so it's not a big deal for me.

John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.


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Oliver Peters
Re: El Capitan and FCPX
on Sep 30, 2015 at 10:12:36 pm

As a general rule, Apple has historically changed little things between test versions and actual release versions. Therefore, few developers are going to trust their results done during the development stage without retesting on the release build. That's why Avid, for example, is always a bit later, as they take the safest route.

I certainly wouldn't advise anyone to update right away. Give it a few weeks at least until the dust settles. Maybe even a few months. Cautious types will wait until at least 10.11.1. There's not going to be anything in there right now that will significantly improve any software that you are running.

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Oliver Peters
Re: El Capitan and FCPX
on Sep 30, 2015 at 11:43:53 pm

Presonus hardware and software issues:

http://support.presonus.com/entries/105171633-Mac-OS-X-10-11-El-Capitan-Com...

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Oliver Peters
Re: El Capitan and FCPX
on Oct 1, 2015 at 12:11:20 am

From the Ars Technica article:

The minimum system requirements, which haven’t changed since the Mountain Lion release in 2012, runs thusly:

iMac (Mid-2007 or later)
MacBook (13-inch Aluminum, Late 2008), (13-inch, Early 2009 or later), (12-inch, Early 2015)
MacBook Pro (13-inch, Mid-2009 or later), (15-inch, Mid/Late 2007 or later), (17-inch, Late 2007 or later)
MacBook Air (Late 2008 or later)
Mac Mini (Early 2009 or later)
Mac Pro (Early 2008 or later)
Xserve (Early 2009)

Not all of those Macs support all of OS X’s features. The cutoff for the fanciest features—AirDrop between Macs and iDevices, Handoff and Instant Hotspot, the Metal graphics API—require a Mac introduced in 2012 or later. Here’s the specific support list for all of those:

MacBook (Early 2015)
MacBook Pro (2012 or newer)
MacBook Air (2012 or newer)
Mac Mini (2012 or newer)
iMac (2012 or newer)
Mac Pro (Late 2013)


- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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David Mathis
Re: El Capitan and FCPX
on Oct 1, 2015 at 8:12:38 am

For anyone running the most recent version of Resolve, particularly after doing a clean, fresh install of El Capitain, something to be aware of. I got a message during setup to check system requirements due to the OS X version. The software did install and was able to start a new project. Did no further testing. Fusion, however, installed without issue.

I have noticed a significant improvement in boot up time with El Capitain and most software does have faster load time. One issue was installing Garage Band, perhaps this is a temporary issue. I was not able to install that.

Oliver has sound advice. Anytime there is a new kid on the block it is best to proceed with caution. My safety plan is an external USB drive with Yosemite, most recent version, as plan B, not taking any risk.

Holding off installing Photoshop until I know it is supported.


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Georg P. Mueller
Re: El Capitan and FCPX
on Oct 1, 2015 at 10:35:28 am
Last Edited By Georg P. Mueller on Oct 1, 2015 at 10:37:23 am

Did you see any improvements in FCPX (render times, responsiveness) that make it worth the upgrade?


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Oliver Peters
Re: El Capitan and FCPX
on Oct 1, 2015 at 1:33:49 pm

Is software RAID creation still supported in Disk Utility? Are software RAIDs previously created still recognized in EC?

Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Simon Ubsdell
Re: El Capitan and FCPX
on Oct 1, 2015 at 8:10:20 pm

Hi Steve

Adobe users should be aware of this message from Al Mooney regarding Premiere Pro:

https://blogs.adobe.com/premierepro/2015/10/premiere-pro-cc-and-mac-os-x-10...

"We are aware of some issues users of Premiere Pro may experience after upgrading to the latest version of Mac OS X, (‘El Capitan’), OS X 10.11. We are working hard to resolve these issues in an forthcoming release but currently recommend users remain on OS X 10.10.x."

From our point of view at Hawaiki, we have checked all our plug-ins for El Capitan compatibility and have recently released updates to Hawaiki Keyer, AutoSplit, AutoMatch and Analyzer which incorporate new code to accommodate the update. However, due to changes in the Apple Core Image framework, performance may be degraded in certain configurations. In particular, you may see a very significant performance slowdown if you are running a late 2013 Mac Pro. As a precaution, we recommend you hold off updating to El Capitan for now.

Simon Ubsdell
tokyo-uk.com


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Oliver Peters
Re: El Capitan and FCPX
on Oct 2, 2015 at 1:38:17 am

More on audio software compatibility:

http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2015/10/1/mac-osx-1011-el-capitan...

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Oliver Peters
Re: El Capitan and FCPX
on Oct 3, 2015 at 1:53:52 pm

Based on the system requirements for Metal, it would appear that even if Apple releases a Metal-enabled update of FCPX, it won't benefit any of us still running Mac Pro towers.

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Jim Wiseman
Re: El Capitan and FCPX
on Oct 3, 2015 at 9:12:50 pm

Here is the list of Metal supported computers on the Apple site: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205073

Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.2, Final Cut Studio 2 & 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC: 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500: Helios 2 w 2-960GB SSDs: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz, 24Gb RAM, GTX-680, 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro Retina 2015, i7, 500GB, M370X 2GB: Macbook Pro 17" 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD, Multiple OWC Thunderbay 4 TB2 and eSATA QX2 RAID 5 HD systems


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Oliver Peters
Re: El Capitan and FCPX
on Oct 3, 2015 at 9:16:32 pm

[Jim Wiseman] "Here is the list of Metal supported computers"

Correct. I posted that earlier. Mac Pro towers are not supported.

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Andrew Kimery
Re: El Capitan and FCPX
on Oct 3, 2015 at 11:18:05 pm

[Oliver Peters] "Correct. I posted that earlier. Mac Pro towers are not supported."

Do you think an old MP with a new video card would work unofficially or do you think Apple has coded Metal to exclude the old MP even if they have a video card superior to the ones listed?

On one hand Apple opened the doors to a wider variety of 3rd party GPUs with Mavericks (though they aren't fully supported), but on the other hand Apple has code OS X to prevent any Mac that shipped with an optical drive to be able to use the Apple USB SuperDrive.


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Jim Wiseman
Re: El Capitan and FCPX
on Oct 4, 2015 at 12:50:29 am
Last Edited By Jim Wiseman on Oct 4, 2015 at 12:55:54 am

There is a thread on MacRumors that has speculation and some testing on the subject of Tower Mac Pros with various graphics cards and Metal. Also a test app you can run (at your own risk, but looks OK) to test for Metal capability. Requires El Capitan to run. General consensus seems to be it depends on the GPU. Apple stated anything after 2012 would work and the 2012 5,1 Mac Pro is essentially the same as the 2010. That being said, the 2012 5,1 is not on the official list. I'm sure we will hear of more experiments shortly.

http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mac-pro-5-1-and-metal-gpu-compatibility...

Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.2, Final Cut Studio 2 & 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC: 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500: Helios 2 w 2-960GB SSDs: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz, 24Gb RAM, GTX-680, 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro Retina 2015, i7, 500GB, M370X 2GB: Macbook Pro 17" 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD, Multiple OWC Thunderbay 4 TB2 and eSATA QX2 RAID 5 HD systems


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Jim Wiseman
Re: El Capitan and FCPX
on Oct 4, 2015 at 1:11:52 am

Here is a link that reports success with the proper graphics card in a 2012 Tower.

Quote: "It now seems that earlier models of the Mac Pro also support Metal, provided they're upgraded to a supported GPU. For example, my 2012 MP running a non-flashed AMD Radeon 7970 supports Metal, and there have been reports that earlier (pre-2012) models of Mac Pro running 7xxx series GPUs also support the Metal API. So here's a simple app I've put together that can let you know whether your Mac can take advantage of Apple's new graphics technology:" (app follows)

Here is the URL: http://macminer.fabulouspanda.com/blog/index.php?post/2015/10/02/Does-your-...

Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.2, Final Cut Studio 2 & 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC: 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500: Helios 2 w 2-960GB SSDs: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz, 24Gb RAM, GTX-680, 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro Retina 2015, i7, 500GB, M370X 2GB: Macbook Pro 17" 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD, Multiple OWC Thunderbay 4 TB2 and eSATA QX2 RAID 5 HD systems


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Oliver Peters
Re: El Capitan and FCPX
on Oct 4, 2015 at 1:31:12 am

[Jim Wiseman] "For example, my 2012 MP running a non-flashed AMD Radeon 7970 supports Metal, and there have been reports that earlier (pre-2012) models of Mac Pro running 7xxx series GPUs also support the Metal API."

Presumably Apple's lists would be based on the stock GPU included with that machine as supplied by Apple. So if it's GPU-based, a newer card might have success. We'll see when there are some apps optimized for Metal.

Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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John Davidson
Re: El Capitan and FCPX
on Oct 4, 2015 at 1:20:53 am

Realistically, so much has been improved upon since mid-2012 that aside from using it as a server or a basic use mac, you'd be better off investing in a new iMac with RAID vs putting any more money into an old tower.

John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.


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Oliver Peters
Re: El Capitan and FCPX
on Oct 9, 2015 at 3:55:47 pm

Sheesh! What is it with Apple and gamma?

http://www.mackungfu.org/el-capitan-s-crazy-gamma-adjustments-photographers...

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Walter Soyka
Re: El Capitan and FCPX
on Oct 9, 2015 at 5:41:46 pm

[Oliver Peters] "Sheesh! What is it with Apple and gamma?"

Display gamma *should* be adjusted for different viewing conditions.

Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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Simon Ubsdell
Re: El Capitan and FCPX - Izotope Warning
on Oct 9, 2015 at 7:42:41 pm
Last Edited By Simon Ubsdell on Oct 9, 2015 at 7:44:55 pm

This just in from Izotope which I know a lot of you are using in some form or other:

"As many Mac users are aware, Apple recently released OS X 10.11, El Capitan. At this time, we strongly recommend that customers using iZotope products postpone their upgrades to 10.11.

Our engineering teams are actively testing and qualifying the final release version of El Capitan, and are working to address known issues."

PS. RX5 looks and sounds amazing!

Simon Ubsdell
tokyo-uk.com


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