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Jeremy Garchow
Hawaiki Keyer 2
on Jul 9, 2015 at 4:03:17 pm

If you do any green/blue screen compositing, I have to recommend Hawaiki Keyer.

It has roots in a color difference keyer, but has many more controls, and options.

I recently used Keyer v1 on a (rather difficult) gig, and was blown away with the quality and especially with the performance in X and Motion. I'm looking forward to v2.

It works differently then other keyers that you may be used to, so it's worth checking out the tutorials and reading the user guide, but the results are spectacular. It's published by Noise Industries, and it works in X, Motion, Pr CC, Ae CC.

https://fxfactory.com/info/hawaikikeyer/


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Charlie Austin
Re: Hawaiki Keyer 2
on Jul 9, 2015 at 4:23:07 pm

[Jeremy Garchow] " I'm looking forward to v2."

It's great. As good or better than keyers that are many multiples of it's price. Works in Adobe apps (better than the built-ins) too for those that need it...

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Shawn Miller
Re: Hawaiki Keyer 2
on Jul 9, 2015 at 7:10:17 pm

[Charlie Austin] "[Jeremy Garchow] " I'm looking forward to v2."

It's great. As good or better than keyers that are many multiples of it's price. Works in Adobe apps (better than the built-ins) too for those that need it..."


Better than keylight? Not being combative or anything, genuinely asking.

Shawn



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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Hawaiki Keyer 2
on Jul 9, 2015 at 7:32:43 pm

As I'm sure you know, there is no one size fits all for keying. Every single key is different,

But yes, I find that on the same footage, I do find it better especially in performance and usability (the v2 matte buttons and dual view are killer). This is not to say that Keylight is bad or worse.

HKv2 now has a color picker (like keylight) but I find that I don't use it. Also HK has some really cool edge tools, in blend, transparency, and gradient qualified edge color, as well as light wrap, matte cleaner, edge denoising, and other tools. It's quite powerful.

Jeremy


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Shawn Miller
Re: Hawaiki Keyer 2
on Jul 9, 2015 at 9:28:04 pm

[Jeremy Garchow] "As I'm sure you know, there is no one size fits all for keying. Every single key is different,

But yes, I find that on the same footage, I do find it better especially in performance and usability (the v2 matte buttons and dual view are killer). This is not to say that Keylight is bad or worse.

HKv2 now has a color picker (like keylight) but I find that I don't use it. Also HK has some really cool edge tools, in blend, transparency, and gradient qualified edge color, as well as light wrap, matte cleaner, edge denoising, and other tools. It's quite powerful."


I just checked out a demo on YouTube. HK2 does look nice. I wish I could use it. :-)

Shawn



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Walter Soyka
Re: Hawaiki Keyer 2
on Jul 9, 2015 at 9:46:02 pm

[Shawn Miller] "I just checked out a demo on YouTube. HK2 does look nice. I wish I could use it. :-)"

I have suggested to Simon that a native Ae version would be most welcome. Maybe you'd join me in pestering him?

Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
@keenlive [twitter]   |   RenderBreak [blog]   |   Profile [LinkedIn]


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Shawn Miller
Re: Hawaiki Keyer 2
on Jul 9, 2015 at 10:39:23 pm

[Walter Soyka] "[Shawn Miller] "I just checked out a demo on YouTube. HK2 does look nice. I wish I could use it. :-)"

I have suggested to Simon that a native Ae version would be most welcome. Maybe you'd join me in pestering him?"


Absolutely! I'm willing to stalk him on YouTube if needed. :-)

Shawn



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Tim Wilson
Re: Hawaiki Keyer 2
on Jul 9, 2015 at 11:54:19 pm

[Shawn Miller] "I'm willing to stalk him on YouTube if needed. :-)"

No need! He's a prolific poster here. Not so much right now because he cuts trailers, and this is peak trailer season. He also posts more often in the FCPX Techniques and Motion forums these days. You'll as likely find him here as anywhere.


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Shawn Miller
Re: Hawaiki Keyer 2
on Jul 10, 2015 at 12:57:21 am
Last Edited By Shawn Miller on Jul 13, 2015 at 7:49:46 pm

Thanks Tim, I appreciate the intel. :-)

Shawn



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Charlie Austin
Re: Hawaiki Keyer 2
on Jul 10, 2015 at 1:36:10 am

[Walter Soyka] "I have suggested to Simon that a native Ae version would be most welcome"

It works great in AE, but does require FxFactory.

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Walter Soyka
Re: Hawaiki Keyer 2
on Jul 10, 2015 at 1:43:01 am

[Charlie Austin] "It works great in AE, but does require FxFactory."

Yes, indeed, but that's not well-suited to a cross-platform workflow.

Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
@keenlive [twitter]   |   RenderBreak [blog]   |   Profile [LinkedIn]


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Michael Gissing
Re: Hawaiki Keyer 2
on Jul 10, 2015 at 3:18:35 am

Love to see a lot of the FXFactory family ported to OFX or at the very least made Windows friendly. I miss their plugins. One of the only minor reasons to consider Mac OS for me.


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Simon Ubsdell
Re: Hawaiki Keyer 2
on Jul 13, 2015 at 6:21:27 pm

[Walter Soyka] "I have suggested to Simon that a native Ae version would be most welcome. Maybe you'd join me in pestering him?"

Hi Walter,

No pestering required. Your suggestion is, as always, a very good one that we are looking into very seriously!

If you could lend us some time on your more-hours-in-the-day machine, we can get that finished pretty soon ;-)

Seriously, though, it's thanks to discussions/disagreements/differences of opinion that we had on this very forum with you and Shawn (and indeed Jeremy) a few summers back, that I started down the long and winding road of developing Hawaiki Keyer, so a big thanks to you all and to the COW as a whole.

The crazy arguments we have here can sometimes be surprisingly inspirational.

Simon Ubsdell
tokyo-uk.com


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Shawn Miller
Re: Hawaiki Keyer 2
on Jul 13, 2015 at 8:16:25 pm

Very nice work on the keyer BTW, Simon. I especially like the despill and edge tools. Would love to try it in AE on the PC some day... or even as an OFX plugin in Fusion :-)

Shawn



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Michael Gissing
Re: Hawaiki Keyer 2
on Jul 13, 2015 at 10:22:13 pm

+1 for OFX in Resolve


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David Veeneman
Re: Hawaiki Keyer 2
on Jul 29, 2015 at 12:29:38 am

I've been testing Hawaiki Keyer in FCPX on some marginal green-screen footage, and I'm pretty impressed with the results. Up till now, I've done most of my keying in PP CC, using its UltraKey. Hawaiki Keyer is at least as good, and in some respects I like it a lot better. It really does do a nice job with edge detail, such as hair. The results shown in the HK video on CC are in line with what I'm seeing, without a whole lot of adjustment.

I'm a particular fan of the analysis view, which I think does a significantly better job than a simple matte view.


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