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Jim Wiseman
Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 3, 2015 at 5:39:43 am
Last Edited By Jim Wiseman on Jun 3, 2015 at 8:30:38 am

Media 100 is back! Check out media100.com. Media 100 is now being actively marketed with Yosemite compatability for $99! This is excellent news. Yosemite compatability, Red and 4K support for $99. Some may snicker, but I have been using this version for several weeks and will be cutting my next doc on it. Supports latest AJA drivers. One more in the arsenal.

Jim Wiseman
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Andrew Kimery
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 3, 2015 at 5:44:03 am

$99 also gets your Boris Red for Media 100 and PPro for Mac!


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Bret Williams
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 3, 2015 at 8:36:29 pm

The same $695 product they usually sell?


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Andrew Kimery
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 3, 2015 at 8:42:11 pm

[Bret Williams] "The same $695 product they usually sell?"

That's what it says. From their FAQ (emphasis mine):

Are any Boris plug-ins included with Media 100?
Media 100 includes Boris RED for professional transitions, titling, and compositing. As a bonus, when you purchase Media 100 for $99, you receive Boris RED for both Media 100 as well as Adobe Premiere Pro for Mac (CC, CS6, CS5.x). RED is a $695 value on its own!


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David Lawrence
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 5, 2015 at 2:18:06 am

[Andrew Kimery] "Media 100 includes Boris RED for professional transitions, titling, and compositing. As a bonus, when you purchase Media 100 for $99, you receive Boris RED for both Media 100 as well as Adobe Premiere Pro for Mac (CC, CS6, CS5.x). RED is a $695 value on its own!"

I'm sold. Totally worth $99 just for that!

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Robin S. Kurz
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 3, 2015 at 2:47:17 pm

I hardly think a mere price drop qualifies as "a comeback".

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Jim Wiseman
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 3, 2015 at 5:05:16 pm

Yosemite compatibility certainly does. Real promotion (finally) of a great, easy to use system with professional capabilities does as well. Should have happened long ago. Red included, works with M100 and other major NLE's. Media 100 is one of the NLE's I use. And I don't rent any of them! Adobe has gotten my last dime until they offer perpetual licenses.CS6? Hardly use it now. FCPX and M100. Media 100's Yosemite support gives me confidence to do more projects with it. Check out media100.com for the new approach.

Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.1, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1 TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz 24Gb RAM GTX-285 120GB SSD, Macbook Pro 17" 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD


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Robin S. Kurz
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 3, 2015 at 5:29:34 pm

[Jim Wiseman] "Check out media100.com for the new approach."

Oh, I have. And sorry, but a company that is on the very tail-end of adapting the newest in tech, codecs and OS, AND does their demos with an SD/DV timeline, doesn't exactly strike me as anywhere near the cutting edge or make me go "Wow!". I'll stick with FCP X myself, thanks. Any NLE that I have to TELL which res and/or codec I'm using in advance, is no NLE for me.

A former M100vx owner and user (and loved it at the time),
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Jim Wiseman
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 3, 2015 at 6:34:55 pm
Last Edited By Jim Wiseman on Jun 3, 2015 at 6:40:23 pm

It works with most any codec you have installed. I have been editing HD with it for the last three years. Is there an OS beyond Yosemite? I'm using FCPX myself, but Media 100 is so direct and easy to use, I often find myself booting it up first. I have a feeling you've never used version 2.1.5 or the Yosemite compatible 2.1.6. Probably not even version 2.x. I'm happy to have another choice of a track based editor other than Adobe or Avid.

From their site:
Media 100 supports dozens of video standards in 4K, 2K, HD, and SD resolutions at frame rates from 23.98 to 60 frames per second. In addition, acquisition interfaces for AVCHD, AVC-Intra, FireWire, Panasonic P2, and Sony XDCAM are provided - as well as support for video I/O interfaces from AJA.

Jim Wiseman
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Mark Suszko
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 3, 2015 at 6:51:37 pm

"Media 100. Now, that's a name I hadn't heard in a long time."

The images it conjures are of Zima, Bon Jovi, Mister T., Turbo Cube.


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Charlie Austin
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 3, 2015 at 6:54:17 pm

Seems to work OK, but It really needs a major UI overhaul. Aqua buttons? yikes...

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Andrew Kimery
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 3, 2015 at 7:09:16 pm

[Charlie Austin] "Seems to work OK, but It really needs a major UI overhaul. Aqua buttons? yikes..."

It's neo-retro. The hipsters will love it. ;)


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Jim Wiseman
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 3, 2015 at 7:32:18 pm

Wait 'til Jony Ive gets to it. Icons will be flat and boring and the text so thin you can't read it. :)

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Robin S. Kurz
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 3, 2015 at 7:28:38 pm

[Charlie Austin] "Aqua buttons? yikes..."

No kidding. You'd think for "a comeback" they'd actually TRY to look like something from at least this century. Features or not, if I can't stand looking at it, I'm not happy working with it. Just the way I am. And that interface has literally not seen a single update since I last used it in the late 90's! That's just scary.

And simply check the "Getting Started" video for example and you'll quickly see how "modern" this is beyond that (they drive that point home by using SD/DV of all things... seriously?? :-D). It can't even figure out the codec you're using and set up your project accordingly without your help in advance. Overall "Getting Started" is most certainly a far less convoluted and less time consuming task then with pretty much any an every other NLE I know of today than with this. Don't think I need to know the rest. I'd go completely nuts if I had to go through that procedure with every single new project. Wow. Somehow I'm just partial to entering a name, enter, done. I'm weird I guess. ;)

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Jim Wiseman
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 3, 2015 at 7:40:48 pm
Last Edited By Jim Wiseman on Jun 3, 2015 at 7:46:18 pm

Maybe "Come Back" was somewhat hyperbolic. Just glad it is still current OS. At least it is up to date on current video standards including HD, 2K, 4K, and RED. Not dumped in the trash bin like us Aperture users. Apple still worries me with their ProApps. Sorry for your delicate design sensibilities, I'm just glad to still be able to use it. Who cares what they demo it with, it works with all current standards. Hey, I like and use FCPX as well! My Jony Ive comments still stand. Glad to get him away from the OSX interface. Don't need iOS on my computer. Love my Tube, though. Should have kept him on device/industrial design.

Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.1, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1 TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz 24Gb RAM GTX-680 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro 17" 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD


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Robin S. Kurz
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 3, 2015 at 7:57:50 pm

[Jim Wiseman] "At least it is up to date on current video standards including HD, 2K, 4K, and RED."

Yeah. So does iMovie. So why not use that if that's (bizarrely) apparently your all-deciding criteria? In which case you can even add 5 and 6K to that list (actually... resolution independent, but hey).


[Jim Wiseman] "Apple still worries me with their ProApps."

Sure. As opposed to this, which is no doubt exponentially more future-proof, right?! Gotcha. Solid argument!


[Jim Wiseman] "My Jony Ive comments still stand."

Yeah, I'm sure. He's a complete hack, no question about it.

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Jim Wiseman
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 3, 2015 at 8:11:18 pm

You just can't take it when someone gets some good news, can you Robin? Anything else positive to add?

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Jim Wiseman
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 3, 2015 at 8:26:11 pm

To be clear, Jony Ive is a genius of design. But not with User Interfaces. Flat, boring, and hard to read, too thin fonts. Glad he is moving back to physical objects. Apple Stores and the new Spaceship Campus will be his main projects. He is certainly no hack. Best computer/smartphone designer on earth.

Jim Wiseman
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David Mathis
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 4, 2015 at 12:24:51 am
Last Edited By David Mathis on Jun 4, 2015 at 12:34:21 am

That interface totally like screams the 90s, and the fact that it has tracks, oh my. Tracks are like so totally last century. A loony mushroom be those tracks. They bark clutter. Much prefer disorganized keyframe graph, something to look at.


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James Culbertson
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 3, 2015 at 9:29:21 pm

Does it still have tracks?


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Jim Wiseman
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 3, 2015 at 11:31:25 pm

Yes. I find there are some projects I prefer tracks for and others I don't. Cut a lot of documentaries, and I find it very easy to keep things organized. Especially good easy to control audio tools with effects. Another tool in the tool chest without a major learning curve. Boris has an outside partner in this who thought M100 should not be relegated to the dustbin, just as Boris rescued it years back. I for one am glad. FCPX is definitely my other tool, though. Both have their strengths. Even better, one price and no rental for either.

Jim Wiseman
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Bret Williams
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 4, 2015 at 12:04:02 am

Last time I used Media100 it had tracks. Or should I say track. It had only 1. But, that was 1998.


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Oliver Peters
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 4, 2015 at 12:20:49 am

[Bret Williams] "Or should I say track. It had only 1. But, that was 1998."

Maybe they called it a primary storyline behind closed doors. ;-)

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Bret Williams
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 4, 2015 at 12:25:55 am

Maybe solitary storyline.

I tell you, Adobe After Effects owes much of it's early success to Media100 editors who had no choice but to use After Effects if they wanted to do anything but a cut, dissolve or a wipe. Oh, wait, there was a second graphic track where you could fade still titles in and out.

But man was it organized!


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James Culbertson
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 4, 2015 at 12:33:08 am

[Bret Williams] "I tell you, Adobe After Effects owes much of it's early success to Media100 editors who had no choice but to use After Effects if they wanted to do anything but a cut, dissolve or a wipe. Oh, wait, there was a second graphic track where you could fade still titles in and out."

Who cares. As long as the nomenclature is correct. ;-)


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 4, 2015 at 2:27:14 am

Looking at that interface brings back so many memories:



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Jim Wiseman
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 4, 2015 at 2:23:20 am
Last Edited By Jim Wiseman on Jun 4, 2015 at 2:26:04 am

Media 100 has multiple video and audio tracks (up to 100 audio, I believe, the tutorial shows 20 being used) that can be bussed. Effects and filters are available for easy application to the audio to remove noise, and other types of processing you would expect in a professional system such as full EQ, Dynamics including compression, gating,de-essing,hum removal at various frequencies and reverb effects. Live voice-over recording is supported. Transitions happen between the A and B Video tracks, the primaries. Their is also a graphics track overlay for titles. It has a simple DVE built in, and multiple wipes. Media 100 also supports multi cam editing. It exports and imports easily to After Effects and supports FC7 XML.

See the new Media 100 website for details. Be aware that Media 100 has been in development for as long as Avid practically speaking. Some of the tutorials you see are from when that particular feature was introduced. Audio is from Version 13, a while back. But I would love to see those audio capabilities in FCPX. This is a labor of love by people who know what this system can do. Don't judge it by what you might expect from a rollout by a billion dollar company. But there are many of us who are happy to see it still moving into the future with OS and AJA updates. At this point it will still be running as long as Premiere CS6 even if development stopped now!

Jim Wiseman
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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 4, 2015 at 2:52:16 am

[Jim Wiseman] "Effects and filters are available for easy application to the audio to remove noise, and other types of processing you would expect in a professional system such as full EQ, Dynamics including compression, gating,de-essing,hum removal at various frequencies and reverb effects"

Media100 has had kickass real time audio effects back around 99. I forget which release it was, but it was a revolution.

Media100i where the i stood for Internet and it came with Cleaner where you could make Soresnen 3 videos at a blistering 320x240 for dial up web reviews from a self hosted Rumpus based ftp server.

They also had some kick ass hardware that did real time up down cross convert before anyone knew what the hell that was. Then DV came and soon after DVCPro HD and fcp 4.5 and things got crazy quickly.

Have a walk down memory lane when the Internet was still friendly:

https://forums.creativecow.net/directory/media100media100hd/2001-04-01_to_2...


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Jim Wiseman
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 4, 2015 at 3:29:13 am
Last Edited By Jim Wiseman on Jun 4, 2015 at 3:31:08 am

Thanks for that, Jeremy. I do believe that Media 100 is older than the COW. There is still a Media 100 Forum, BTW. Much happiness there right now. Also a Facebook group. I remember meeting Ron and Kathlyn Lindeboom at NAB in the '90's when I was the Avid dealer for Hawaii and one of two Media 100 dealers. Guess which system I still use? And which one I preferred then? Online quality in the mid '90's from an NLE.

Jim Wiseman
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Walter Soyka
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 4, 2015 at 4:24:21 am

[Jeremy Garchow] "They also had some kick ass hardware that did real time up down cross convert before anyone knew what the hell that was. Then DV came and soon after DVCPro HD and fcp 4.5 and things got crazy quickly. "

Yeah, I wanted an 844/x. Real-time blur! Think of the possibilities!

Media 100 were about 15 years ahead of their time with the ICE boards, too. Now we call such co-processors "GPUs."

I have to confess I don't understand the current positioning of Media 100. What niche in the market do you think they hope to occupy?

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Andrew Kimery
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 4, 2015 at 4:35:52 am

[Walter Soyka] "I have to confess I don't understand the current positioning of Media 100. What niche in the market do you think they hope to occupy?"

One that wants Boris Red for $99? ;)


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Scott Thomas
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 4, 2015 at 5:32:49 am

When the station I was working at was looking at Non-Linear back in the mid 1990's, we were considering Immix, Avid and Media100.

The three demos we had went like this:

1) The Immix dealer sent an engineer that wasn't an editor, but I had a great time playing with the Turbo Cube, and appreciated it's real-timeness and hardware.
2) The Avid demo where I was only allowed to actually touch the box for a few minutes before the demo guys headed back to Tewksbury.
3) The Media100 demo by a computer reseller that didn't know video. They showed us pretty pictures, but didn't know anything about editing or video production.

I admired the Media100 Data Translations prowess for making the best picture, but I didn't like the interface. Another part of the company did buy one and I had to troubleshoot it. I wasn't happy about that. My department bought a Media Composer 1000 with the NuBus ABVB.

I picked the Avid, because in that short time I was able to demo it, it just felt like an editor's tool. The video quality eventually caught up, just like Moore's Law tells us, but by then I was on to greener pastures.

I'm happy that Media100 is still around, but to me it was that Vincent card that made great pictures that put it on the map, not the editing interface.


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Jim Wiseman
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 4, 2015 at 5:24:47 am

My niche?

Jim Wiseman
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Tim Wilson
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 4, 2015 at 7:15:44 am

Okay, now THIS is a thread. LOL

As my business evolved in the 90s, I built it around Media 100, taking out a second mortgage on my house to do so.

And my first job after my life as a Media 100 editor was working for Boris as his Director of Marketing, and the product manager for Boris FX and Boris RED. Some of the most fun I've ever had.

So while I've been out of the game long enough that I'm not longer qualified to respond to the "come back" part of the thread, I think Jim's enthusiasm is entirely rightly placed.

And I'm excited in some typically tangential ways to spin some old-guy yarns.

If you'll indulge me, multiple replies at once....


[Jim Wiseman] "I do believe that Media 100 is older than the COW."

Yes! The COW was founded in 2001...BUT NOTE....as some of the old-timers will recall, the COW's immediate predecessor community was The WWUG, short for The Media 100 Worldwide Users Group. It wasn't the first web-based community for media professionals (the second I think), but it was the one that stuck.

And I'm just remembering as I write this, the WWUG started in JUNE 1995 -- 20 years ago this month!!! I think I'll write some more about this, but here's a super-speedy summary as close to on-topic as I can make it.

I wasn't there for year one. I was still using Adobe Premiere, my first NLE, and one reason that I will always feel spiritually attached to Adobe in ways that have exactly zero to do with my life with them today as one of the COW's strongest supporters from the COW's first day. I owe my life in this industry to them.

But at least as much as Premiere: After Effects, which I started using in 1993, the year before Adobe bought it. Among my peeps, I was by no means an early adopter. I was a late adopter.

But, After Effects in hand, I did merrily show up to the WWUG in 1996. The WWUG too was my life, and I owe more than my career to the WWUG. I owe what little sanity I've maintained, and the most enduring friendship of my life, with Ron Lindeboom, built over many cross-continent conversations well into the wee hours of the morning, about rock and roll long after we exhausted "work" topics, feet up on my desk in the edit suite.

So yes, Media 100 is older than the COW, but the WWUG was right there at the very beginning.

I could even argue that the success of Media 100 was even more predicated on the success of the WWUG than After Effects, and I think I'll do so at length in an article. The WWUG was there before Media 100's own website was, iirc.

It is DEFINITELY worth noting that Netscape Navigator had only been released in December 1994. Six months later in those days was a very long time indeed, and the Lindebooms were publicly pilloried for the lunacy of building a community ON THE INTERNET, which was filled with nothing but poser nobodies.

Well, nobodies, yes. Posers, no. Those of us in small towns (mine had 8000 people in it) were deadly serious, because we weren't playing with house money...except in the sense of the guys like me who literally put our houses on the line.

Needless to say, regardless, internet-based communities, including the WWUG, won in the end.



[Bret Williams] "Adobe After Effects owes much of it's early success to Media100 editors who had no choice but to use After Effects if they wanted to do anything but a cut, dissolve or a wipe. "

I somewhat disagree. BORIS FX owes its early success to Media 100's limitations. Media 100 was the second host -- the first was Premiere -- but Media 100 is the one that set it on firmer footing among the first wave of nonlinear broadcast deliver-ers.

More broadly, I think Media 100 owes its EARLIEST adoption to After Effects.

Don't forget that Media 100 HARDWARE included the option to use Premiere SOFTWARE, aka Media 100 qx.

But Media 100's FIRST primary use was not editing at all. Virtually the entire first wave of Media 100 boards were sold for frame-accurate, real-time output of After Effects animations to BetaSP tape. We could then walk over to any TV station with a tape whose picture quality rivaled anything else, at any price....but whose animations vastly exceeded anything else possible at any price.

Avid, Quantel, Discreet, pfeh. All limited to a finite set of effects. After Effects was limited by nothing but your imagination.

If we're being honest, though, it's not any NLE or even After Effects that turned desktop video into an actual revolution. It was the Sony UVW 1800 BetaSP deck. THAT's what affordably (only $10,000!!!) enabled ANYONE to compete with ANYONE.

But no doubt, the heart of it was the combination of Media 100 and After Effects. The running joke was that even the top of the line Media 100 with its own (limited) real time NLE environment still offered its greatest value as a $30,000 real-time, frame-accurate output of After Effects animations to BetaSP tape.

It wasn't until after the dust settled from a very nearly fatally botched transition to Power PC in 1997 that Media 100 could really, truly elevate itself as the unchallenged heavyweight champion of the Mac-based desktop REVOLUTION.

(Mac partisans, including myself, largely missed the equivalent revolution happening on Windows, but that's a story for another thread.)


(The spectacular, nuclear-grade self-immolation of Media 100's botched transition from 2.6.2 - 3.0, and the Gaudi board soon after, is part of what made me roll my eyes a bit when people squawked about FCPX. Yes, I felt your pain...but back in MY DAY, WE KNEW PAIN. LOL Old guys suck. LOL We really do.)


(Also of note: Media 100's 1998 bidding war with Apple for Macromedia Final Cut, well beyond the scope of even this tangent.

Ironically, Media 100's rumored plan --which could be verified or shot down by any number of you who might have been in the know; I was just a schlub customer -- was to use it as the front end for a WINDOWS-based system, since no Mac system had the real-time juice to really make Final Cut fly in REAL real time.

Indeed, the demos of Macromedia Final Cut at NAB 1998 were on Windows for that very reason. I still have my Windows disk for Final Cut, as well as my Macromedia Final Cut t-shirt, linked elsewhere here in the COW.

Also of note: the purpose of Final Cut wasn't to compete with Avid or Media 100. It was to create a consumer-grade application for the new iMac when Adobe declined to sell Premiere to Apple for this purpose. John Buck wrote about this at length in part 2 of his marvelous book Timelines. So I think of the later accusations of FCPX as iMovie Pro as boldly ironic.)

BTW, one adopter of Media 100 for virtually the sole purpose of outputting real-time frame accurate After Effects animations to BetaSP tape: one Ronald T. Lindeboom, and the business he ran with his wife Kathlyn, who was the one who founded the COW.)

(No matter what he has tried to tell me over the years, I insist that the "T" stands for "Tiberius.")

Regardless of which was chicken and egg -- and do note that an early code name for After Effects was "Egg," and the egg always comes first, always -- there is certainly no doubt that the roots of After Effects and Media 100 (both hardware and software) are inextricably entwined.

Also yet another way in which Adobe made all the difference in my early business.


[Scott Thomas] "to me it was that Vincent card that made great pictures that put it on the map, not the editing interface."

Agreed, obviously. That and real-time frame-accurate output. I can't overstate the importance of that. If you couldn't deliver air-ready Beta SP, followed by DigiBeta, you weren't in the game.

Avid was equally obviously playing a different game until Media 100 forced their hand with Media Composer Express around the turn of the century...but yeah, the image quality from Vincent was unlike anything else when it was introduced.



[Jeremy Garchow] "Media100i where the i stood for Internet"

And I was the first one to write about it!

Actually, the second, but I was the first to get it right. LOL A couple of hours after the first guy whiffed.

What happened is that M100 had briefed...somebody, I forget who...who was given the official pre-release screen caps and all that....and he simply fell short of the mark.

So I did what any viciously ambitious a-hole would have done in my position. Read his article, make my best guesses, swipe the screenshots (which were clearly provided by Media 100 and were therefore fair game), and write the article he should have written. LOL Mine's still online -- barely -- thanks to the Wayback Machine.

Part 1 was Media 100 i: Delivering The Future, Ahead of Schedule.

Including the fact that the "i" was standalone. Not "Media 100i," but Media 100 i." A gross miscalculation on their part, and a sign the company's days were numbered. LOL Kidding...but still, c'mon. Media 100i, dammit.

Part 2 is after I got to actually speak to someone at Media 100. LOL I had wanted to get Part 1 up ASAP, so the LAST thing I had time for was to get the thing vetted. Thankfully, I discovered I'd been mostly on the right track.

That article was a 2-parter itself, but the Wayback Machine has alas only preserved part 1 of Part 2. Media 100 i, Hands On

I stand by my evaluation that Media 100 i was far ahead of its time. Too far. With no real way to serve online video -- years before YouTube -- and no real way for most people to view it, many of the "i" features were useless. If they'd been directed to DVD, they'd have stuck the landing (things like interactive keyframes and chapter marks on the timeline), but there was no reason to bet on that just yet...

....and in fact, it turns out that the web has largely beaten DVD, yes? With no meaningful interactivity in video streams. It wasn't until Blu-ray with the pop-up menus that actual interactivity was a thing, long after Media 100 i had passed away.



[Walter Soyka] "I have to confess I don't understand the current positioning of Media 100. What niche in the market do you think they hope to occupy?"

I think Jim is right. Guys like him. The heart of the niche they're aiming for is former Media 100 guys, and I think its sweet spot is guys like Jim, who are also using other NLEs such as FCPX.

Note that Boris himself is a former Media 100 guy. He came into this industry to build Media 100's effects engine.

(He wanted to become a rocket scientist in his native Russia, but he told me he soon realized "there was no such thing as a Jewish rocket scientist in Russia." He found his fortunes working across Europe before landing at Boston University to teach graduate-level mathematics. Part of why he prefers that his engineers hold PhDs. He wants guys who would have passed the classes he taught.)

He's a very entrepreneurial guy, and like many entrepreneurs, is always looking for projects.

The first of them was of course Boris FX, within which he has aggressively developed an array of products well outside what most of us typically deal with..but there also have been some very interesting acquisitions along the way. Among the first, Final Effects Complete, which was once the most prestigious name in AE plug-ins. There was actually a time when many people bought After Effects PRIMARILY, if not SOLELY, to run Final Effects. More recently of course, Boris acquired Imagineer.

In between, Boris had a chance to buy Media 100, and I can't imagine any scenario in which he'd pass on that. Coming full circle at all.

When I worked there, I experienced first hand the delicate balancing act he has to live with. The fact is that Boris mostly makes plug-ins. Host applications allow him to plug in at their pleasure. They have ZERO interest in providing Boris the resources to develop a meaningful competitor to them, whereas the "niche product for Media 100 guys working with other NLEs" model makes a lot of sense.

And so, Boris isn't primarily in the business of competing with other NLEs.

That's why I'll be surprised to ever see him ride his mount into the gates of hell, six guns blazing from each hand, with his sword and reins between his teeth. As much as we former Media 100 guys fondly remember when that company was all about cracking heads, Boris cant afford to undermine the heart of his revenue stream, nor is he inclined to.

(In re: cracking heads, my first week at Avid, Media 100 was saddling up on Media 844/x, and had emblazoned across their front page, "Avid Sucks." Nobody had EVER been so aggressive in this industry toward a competitor. I doubt many competitors ANYWHERE are that aggressive on their front pages. Believe me, this was taken with the utmost seriousness inside Avid. Media 100 drew blood in ways that Final Cut never did, and still hasn't. Also fun: Avid and Media 100 were basically crosstown rivals in Boston.)

Anyway, as far as Boris's strategy for Media 100 software, I'm guessing. I haven't asked this time, and he knows better than to tell me. LOL I've certainly never spoken to anyone at another company about the NLE aspect of Boris's business. It's just a guess, but I'm pretty sure I'm at least pointed in the right direction.

In the meantime, I do think that Jim is rightly excited, and think that Media 100 really does have some good things to offer, especially to its former fans. For the price, it's genuine insanity for them to pass up, imo, even if just for kicks.


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Robin S. Kurz
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 4, 2015 at 11:15:04 am
Last Edited By Robin S. Kurz on Jun 4, 2015 at 11:18:51 am

[Tim Wilson] "and think that Media 100 really does have some good things to offer"

What? is the part I'm trying to figure out. Seriously.


[Tim Wilson] "especially to its former fans"

Shouldn't that at best be "only"? Really. What possible aspect, feature or whatever else could actually sway anyone into spending that amount of money in this day and age instead of going with any of the other established NLEs for much less?

And by the way... I'm not only a former fan, but even a CURRENT OWNER, since my last board never even made it out the door and has found its peace in a drawer here somewhere. Hellaciously expensive DVBK-1/A and all! (want to wallow in even more nostalgia... I can take a picture... or send me the postage and you can have it for free for your wall) But oddly, I find what I see cringeworthy at best, sorry. They truly should have stopped when they were ahead, so at least I could lament about those "good ol' days" without (now) being embarrassed by associating myself with the name.

And I also can't understand the "great deal" for the Boris plugs either. I have them for FCP et al, and as well meant and overall nicely done some are, the handling and especially THE SPEED make them unusable. Especially in comparison to the various alternatives there are. At least as far as 3D titling for FCP is concerned, I have options in mObject for 50 bucks and FCP's own for free... and all in realtime. And they even offer (far) more functionality and are super simple to use in comparison. Add Motion to the mix for another 40 and the sky's the limit.


[Jim Wiseman] "You just can't take it when someone gets some good news, can you Robin?"

The whole reoccurring "If you don't just agree with me and smile, then you're just a big, fat poopy-head!" attitude is so painfully jejune and has gotten so tiring. Every opinion is allowed... as long as it's yours. No questions. I get it.

Apparently my definition of "Discussion board" (or should I say Debate?) is a completely different one. Oh well.

- RK


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Oliver Peters
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 4, 2015 at 1:07:52 pm

Great post, Tim. I'm amazed to see the negative comments about this.

We are actually in a very interesting time. There are quite a large number of users - students, casual editors, people who do pro bono work - for whom even $299 for FCP X can't be justified. Within a few months, when everything has been released, we'll have a number of low-cost or free NLEs that offer tremendous power, including, Media 100, Media Composer|First, Lightworks and Resolve 12.

One of the strengths Media 100 offers is as a lightweight QuickTime-based editor. As Apple walks away from QuickTime, this might actually be useful. In addition it's also a very good editor for working with native RED files.

So why not? The more, the merrier.

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Jim Wiseman
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 4, 2015 at 7:00:45 pm
Last Edited By Jim Wiseman on Jun 4, 2015 at 7:12:35 pm

Great post, Tim. You and I share some history, but with different viewpoints, which is certainly one of the best reasons to write it down. I moved to Hawaii in 1985, freelanced in Honolulu doing production, but lived on Kauai. In San Francisco over ten years I had been with One Pass Video (first one inch in the US) and Chronicle Productions (KRON, NBC at the time) in their production units. Upon moving to Hawaii I started the visitor channel with two partners here on Kauai. Hurricane Iniki in 1992 ended that for me, and I ran into an opportunity to sell an Avid Media Suite Pro to a wiped out production company with insurance money. In short order, I became the exclusive Avid dealer in Hawaii. NAB 1994, enter a Media 100 rep who took me to lunch and offered me the dealership for Media 100. I knew what I was getting into, but I always liked to take a chance or two, so I took it.

I had seen Media 100 at a demo in SF, I believe it was their introductory tour. A guy named Tobin was doing the demos, maybe you can remember his last name, we stayed in touch for a bit. In short, I was amazed at the image quality. That stuck with me. Flash forward a couple of years, and now I was selling the products of the two cross town Boston rivals.

A place like Hawaii was actually a perfect place for Media 100. Although a greater part of my income was from Avid, who can argue with 25% margins when you have an exclusive and retail, which I got, was $50 to $125k. Anyone "serious" about production, the local post houses, needed Media Composer to be taken seriously. But there was the rest of the market who could only afford the low end Avid Media Suite Pro at about $25-30K. Compared to Media 100, which was close to the same price, a bit higher tricked out with storage, it suffered badly. It actually line doubled because of bandwidth constrictions. Media 100 was in a different league in quality, and was actually perfect for this market.

You're correct, After Effects, originally from COSA, (still have my copy from when it was introduced at Macworld) was a huge reason people flocked to Media 100. They had the same image quality as the one inch houses on their desks at home or boutique, and they could do effects that the big places took a while to catch up with. But unlike in the bigger markets, most of my customers were doing straight production. Guys making surf videos for broadcast, people doing event video at the hotels for big corporations who demanded Betacam quality, boutiques doing commercials, in short people moving to digital who wanted high end quality, but couldn't afford a linear tape suite. The Sony 1800 was the only VTR in the room. So the effects business wasn't the driver it probably was on the mainland. It was the boutique and niche market one or two man production companies. I did sell a M100 to the Honolulu CBS station once they saw the light, but that was rare.

You've run down the history from there. What is missing is the improvements made after this period, when AJA became the supplier of boards and Boris took over. They made major changes such as excellent HD, better audio handling, many new features. Certainly enough to keep the average small production boutique happy. But then came Final Cut for $995. You could get in with an AJA board a Mac and software for less than $20K, depending on storage. It even appealed to the Avid houses. In 1998 I got out of sales for the most part, and went back to production. And I cut everything on the Media 100. Boris and company were making improvements in the software until a little over a year ago when they just issued updates for new versions of OSX and AJA drivers. It was looking bleak when Yosemite came out, as it wouldn't launch without a hack. I have no solid information, but the main evangelist for M100 over the last decade has been Florian Peters who runs a respected M100 based production company in Germany. I believe he has a lot to do with the 2.1.6 version of Media 100 that provides Yosemite compatibility. That and cooperation from BorisFX. Floh, as he is known on the boards, has been doing the lion's share of the Tutorials, many of which are on the new website, over the last decade or so. That is why so many versions of Media 100 are represented in the tutorials. They occurred over the multiple versions of the software that was released over that period. Media 100 continued to be developed. It is not the same as it was in the mid-nineties as some here have said. Many new capabilities and video formats, up to 4k and RED, for instance.

But the main thing that has current users excited is the marketing push that has been currently embarked upon. The media100.com website actually has a mission to push the product which it hasn't had for years. There is some new blood in the equation. I honestly believe if this had occurred during the early days of the switch to FCPX, M100 could have been one of the top four along with Apple, Adobe, and Avid. For Boris, for whatever reason, it was not a decision he was willing to make. His business is obviously effects. But I am glad he and his company are involved, and welcome the new energy we are seeing from this current venture. I think it has a great chance of winning some converts. And who can argue with the pricing?

As they say, stay tuned!

Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.1, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1 TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz 24Gb RAM GTX-680 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro 17" 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD


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Tim Wilson
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 4, 2015 at 7:12:03 pm

[Jim Wiseman] "What is missing is the improvements made after this period"

Quite so! I was speaking about my personal experience, and I'm very glad to hear yours! I've been out of the direct editing game this century, so I didn't have much to add about M100 since Boris took it over.

Like you, I'm very glad to see this once-proud brand unambiguously present itself as a viable part of the toolkit for any dinosaurs willing to tolerate tracks and other arcane, long-discredited concepts. LOL



[Oliver Peters] "One of the strengths Media 100 offers is as a lightweight QuickTime-based editor. As Apple walks away from QuickTime, this might actually be useful. In addition it's also a very good editor for working with native RED files."

Exactly. Perfect examples. My impression is that Boris FX has not been promoting Media 100 as a reason to leave one's current NLE, but rather as a capable utility. Adding a couple of very capable tools to the kit for only $99 seems pretty cool.

Certainly not something to get upset about. Fast, cheap, and familiar may be just the ticket.





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Jim Wiseman
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 4, 2015 at 7:26:31 pm

Here is the Press Release from Boris:
http://www.borisfx.com/press/media-100-announces-yosemite-support-new-99-pr...

Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.1, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1 TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz 24Gb RAM GTX-680 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro 17" 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD


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Oliver Peters
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 4, 2015 at 10:06:41 pm

[Jim Wiseman] "You've run down the history from there. What is missing is the improvements made after this period, when AJA became the supplier of boards and Boris took over. "

I'll fill in some of the history here.

At the point that 844x was floundering, M100 was also developing an i/o card that could handle mixed SD and HD in real-time. This was a card that came out of the 844x development effort. M100 was sold to an Israeli company that wanted the hardware more than anything else. This match was not a good fit, so the opportunity came for BorisFX to buy M100.

The Israeli parent company would only sell BorisFX the software and existing support contracts. They assumed that BorisFX would be locked into that hardware, guaranteeing themselves an ongoing revenue stream. BorisFX was smart enough to structure the deal so that the company was only committed to the first run of cards - 125 IIRC. With the software in hand, he quickly worked with AJA to develop drivers for the Kona card. Therefore no more obligation to an outside vendor.

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Jim Wiseman
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 5, 2015 at 3:21:29 am
Last Edited By Jim Wiseman on Jun 5, 2015 at 3:28:47 am

Oliver, thanks for the very interesting information about the hardware research and the Optibase (Israeli company) period in Media 100 history. It was difficult to get information about what was happening with the product then. Also people should know how advanced the hardware and research was at that time. Most people came to Media 100 for the hardware. Even at 80KB/sec it was for most purposes broadcast quality. Up to 300KB MJPEG B was supported. Now the codec choices are broad.

It is interesting the things you had to say about Optibase, the Israeli company that acquired Media 100. They only wanted the hardware, that is obvious. Media 100 was a new division of Data Translation, one of the best analog to digital to analog, etc. companies of the period. Media 100 was John Molinari's baby. His father's company was DT, and he or someone there must have been a D/A genius. I really thank you for filling that period in, as I only knew what was happening from the digital and video industry media then. Of course I was interested. Great information.

(Regarding editing history, people should check out Buck's "Timeline" book(s). They are available as ebooks and are a truly valuable resource on editing history from early film through the present day. The only thoroughly researched history of motion image editing that truly gives you the history of electronic editing up to the present day. Much info about Avid, Media 100, Final Cut, up to the present (a moving target). Thanks for mentioning it Tim, thought this might be a place to plug it!)

But one last point. Although the interface is quite simple to use, it is also very easy to understand and make creative, high quality decisions with. That is the biggest reason I have stuck with it. I can edit quickly and easily without thinking about the interface. Almost all of the dedicated users say this. Anyone who has edited with it in the past knows that for straight cutting and real decision making it is extremely fast and easy to use. My application is mainly for documentaries, and for that it is ideal. A highly developed interface to AE has been part of it since the beginning for effects, Boris Red is directly integrated, and FCP7 XML can take it from there. Audio is excellent and more, dare I say it, tracks (bussable) than you would ever need. Realtime audio effects and dynamics.

Between it and FCPX I'm covered for the foreseeable future. And they are inexpensive (now) and paid for.

Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.1, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1 TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz 24Gb RAM GTX-680 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro 17" 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD


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Oliver Peters
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 5, 2015 at 7:55:26 pm

[Jim Wiseman] "Also people should know how advanced the hardware and research was at that time."

What was amazing was the 844x hardware - their Genesis engine, I believe. The hardware could handle 4 real-time streams of video with up to 6 processes applied. That's true real-time, none of this GPU-accelerated draft video we consider "real-time" today. A video stream was SD 601, uncompressed, 10-bit, 4444 (RGB+alpha), progressive and 60fps. All interlaced video was internally broken into 60 progressive frames and handled in the ultra-clean pipeline. The 6 processes that could be applied included transforms, color correction, keying, convolutions and a few other things. This was all done in hardware and the chipset placed these processes into the regular video path of each stream.

Unfortunately 844x was introduced at the tail end of SD and beginning of HD. To bridge the gap until HD was dominant (the engineers hoped), they were working on an internal blow-up to HD as a way to meet the need. Since their process was very clean, this blow-up was very acceptable for that time. At this time I believe the other competing hardware i/o cards were still only SD.

The development of this technology was the basis for the HD/SD board that was part of the Optibase deal. That was M100's first true HD board.

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Robert Smith
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 18, 2015 at 4:42:16 pm

hah - I just read a thread of mine from 13+ years ago ...and the pain came back!
I had a truly AWFUL time with media 100, it eventually turned out that the PSU supplied in our mac was too small for the number of cards in the machine but the company reputation had been damaged over that bad bad year...


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 4, 2015 at 3:05:23 pm

[Walter Soyka] "Yeah, I wanted an 844/x. Real-time blur! Think of the possibilities!"

I remember going to an 844/x demo. It was a news promo with three separate news anchors shot on green, folding their arms, and giving their best smile. The 844/x did all the composite of all three with background and text, in near real time, eons faster than After Effects could do. It was very impressive.

The 844/x was pushed off the cliff about a year later.


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Herb Sevush
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 4, 2015 at 3:58:15 pm

[Jeremy Garchow] "The 844/x was pushed off the cliff about a year later."

I saw the 844/x demo at NAB and was wowed by it as well. I believe it was their investment in the 844/x that pushed the whole company off the cliff. From what I understood they made a huge research investment in it and came up empty as newer computers kept getting faster and the need for specialized rendering platforms disappeared.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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"Deciding the spine is the process of editing" F. Bieberkopf


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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 4, 2015 at 9:22:27 pm

our station bought one as a main online for promos. We went mad working up realtime grading and masking for promo setups and endboard templates. felt like such a beast. And this was just after they'd got burnt on discreet edit. bad run of luck really.

http://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics


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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 4, 2015 at 9:18:17 pm

We got an ice board into our blue and white G3 for AE - watching it get slotted in felt like the Ark opening scene in Raiders. That machine is still a massive soft spot in my heart. Such a hot rod for the time - and the ICE four point gradient was a god of a plug in.

http://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics


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Robin S. Kurz
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 4, 2015 at 10:05:12 am

[James Culbertson] "Does it still have tracks?"

Oh yeah. In fact, as far as I can see, nothing has changed about it since the 90's (other than maybe supported formats and hardware independence). Which is the really frightening part.


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Jim Wiseman
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 4, 2015 at 5:36:37 pm

You have no clue, Robin.

Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.1, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1 TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz 24Gb RAM GTX-680 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro 17" 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD


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Marcus Warren
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 5, 2015 at 3:40:27 am

Media 100 is not making a comeback.
And I am glad that Jim W. backed off of using that phrase.

What is happening now is an experiment or test that could lead to a comeback. It all depends on the success of this $99 deal. The greater the success, the greater the possibility of seeing a new 64 bit version of M100 with new features and interface.

For those of you with varying thoughts on the matter, your posts are welcome because they may help drive what M100 becomes. Of course, your $99 investment helps, too.

Who should take advantage of the $99 deal?
-Media 100 owners using a version prior to Media 100 Suite 2.1
-Premiere owners who would like to add the versatile and powerful Boris RED to their arsenal and gain additional titling, compositing and effects capabilities from a program that normally costs $695 (and not to long ago sold for $995).
-Anyone interested in Boris RED for the above reasons because the program can be launched in standalone mode.
-Folks who are just curious about Media 100.

Let's be honest. M100 Suite is a capable, professional NLE that has been stymied by lack of real development for the last four years. But make no mistake, it's a nice tool to have no matter what your primary editor; just try the 60 day trial (60 days!). And as mentioned, it does work with the latest version of the Mac OS.

Tracks - I want to clarify something about the number of tracks available. The Media 100 interface supports 100 video tracks and 24 audio tracks. But with RED, the number of tracks is actually unlimited. In fact, you could "nest" an unlimited amount of clips (and effects) on every one of Media 100's one hundred tracks.

Many of you will remember the limited video tracks of earlier M100 versions. The A/B transition and fx option is still there (using tracks V and V1). But I've used M100 for close to 6 years and more than 99% of my editing does not involve using the A/B scheme. You don't have to. Really, you don't.

If you don't like the A/B option, don't use it. Just stack (or butt) clips and go.Remember, you have 100 video tracks, plus unlimited clips and effects through RED. Use dissolves or cuts for transitions, or use some third party effects to cover the cuts or build never-before seen transitions using RED. And of course you can still take advantage of the tons of transitions and effects available using the fx track, if you so desire.

You can get a lot done using Media 100 Suite, but even if you don't care for Media 100, $99 for RED is an outstanding value.


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Jim Wiseman
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 5, 2015 at 4:19:07 am
Last Edited By Jim Wiseman on Jun 5, 2015 at 6:26:18 am

Thanks for clarifying the number of tracks video vs. audio. More than I ever needed, at any rate. I should have said Media 100 is finally promoting a great product. This, in itself is a comeback. It is quite a jump from never getting anything but the occasional OS and AJA update with no fanfare,to having a dedicated gung-ho website devoted to Media 100, the editor. It has lain fallow for a couple of years now, although new features have certainly been added since 2.0 came out. I see this as an opportunity for BorisFX and someone with enough vision to evangelize this product and get it to the people who can certainly use it. I have been in touch with the company and I know what the situation is. What we don't know is what dynamic pushed things this far and who might be involved. I think there will be a real response to this, and if the Media 100 community and the potential users out there see what a value this product is, it will happen. Then we will have the "Comeback" or at least the next step. If you can't tell, I believe in this product. For $99 it is an absolute steal, even without Boris Red.

Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.1, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1 TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz 24Gb RAM GTX-680 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro 17" 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD


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Morten Ranmar
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 5, 2015 at 7:46:29 am

I used Media100 from one of the first versions, until a few years after the company went bankrupt. At that time the only alternative was Final Cut, and from there I have carried on to Premiere CC.

Premiere has become a very powerfull editor, that can also be used for basic compositing. With the promised color correction tools for the next release, I believe they will place themselves as the leading choice for many editors like myself. That is - if you can live with the rental model.

if Media100 was to compete with this, and other offerings like Avid Free, Resolve, FCPX, they will of course need to beef up the interface and functions. But there are a few things that M100 should keep:

- the simplistic approach
- easy to overview layout with colouring of clips
- audio mixer with easy to use real time equaliser and fx
- the mini timeline, that eases up navigation
- A/B roll (make it a preferences option)

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Lance Bachelder
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 8, 2015 at 3:09:33 pm

My favorite feature of the new Media 100 was the uninstall button....

It was at a Vegas premiere that I resolved to become an avid FCPX user.

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Writer, Editor, Director
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Jim Wiseman
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 8, 2015 at 9:59:19 pm

I preferred the "Buy" button for $99, no rental. After that the "Install" in Yosemite.

Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.1, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1 TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz 24Gb RAM GTX-680 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro 17" 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD


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Greg Jones
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 10, 2015 at 2:02:05 am
Last Edited By Greg Jones on Jun 10, 2015 at 2:04:10 am

This is very interesting. Definitely worth $99 to give BorisFX Red a go with Premiere.

I started editing on the Media 100 around 1998, I believe. Got to be pretty efficient and fast with it. I remember around 2000 or 2001 starting to play around with Final Cut pro and going to NAB that year. At NAB I went to the Media 100 booth and talked with someone there about Final Cut Pro. I remember telling them the interface was much more intuitive than the Media100 interface and that they should try working on tweaking the interface. Their response was 'Final Cut Pro is a toy.' After that I edited on Final Cut Pro for about 10 years and made a lot of money using it, before switching to Premiere.

I could see a college student or someone starting out paying the $99 to start editing. I can't see myself using it, except for maybe checking it out for nostalgia sake and using BorisFX with Premiere. I wish Media100 luck. Maybe if enough people download and buy it, they'll actually put some time into the interface and they could make a comeback. Regardless it's nice to think back to when Media100 was at the top of the game.

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Jim Wiseman
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 12, 2015 at 3:35:53 am
Last Edited By Jim Wiseman on Jun 12, 2015 at 3:45:54 am

To tell you the truth, it is the simplicity of the interface that I really like. Don't need it to change. I can cut faster with it than anything else I have used, Avid, FCP7 and X. I can come back to it after months away, and it all comes back in a day or two. Easy audio control no matter how many tracks with real time effects and bussing. Maybe when I am proficient with FCPX I will use it more, but for cutting the documentaries I will probably be working on for the next few years, I'm in no rush. Cuts, dissolves and titles. Voiceover and music. Pro Res, all flavors in and out. H264 export. Mavericks, Yosemite and my 2013 and 2012 Mac Pros will be around much longer than these projects. Many hours of archival tape and HD files that need to be formed into coherent programs.

Will ease into FCPX in that time, perhaps. Have the software and the Ripple Training, but want to get to work now. Yosemite support is a major M100 development. One thing for sure, there is NO rental in my future. I already own two licenses to the 2.1.6 Yosemite version for 4 computers from free upgrades. I own the licenses outright to everything I need including FCPX. I'm at the point where I am doing my own work. Long term access is more important than effects flash or competing for clients. Rental is the opposite of my needs. At $99, others should be looking at M100 with Boris Red. I have limited use plugins for which I have paid more.

Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.1, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1 TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz 24Gb RAM GTX-680 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro 17" 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD


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Tim Wilson
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 12, 2015 at 4:01:33 am

[Jim Wiseman] "To tell you the truth, it is the simplicity of the interface that I really like."

The phrase that many of us used at the time was "Media 100's greatest feature is its lack of features," and it wasn't at all facetious. That approach obviously works better for some jobs than others, but it was entirely intentional on Media 100's part, and heartily embraced by customers (including me). The happy contrast with more "powerful" ie, more complicated, cluttered applications was made every day in forums like this one.

This actually connects to another thread just started here, where Stu Maschowitz pokes at the irony of the freedom that comes from fewer features vs. the burden of having more features. I almost didn't add that summary, because I'd much rather have folks talking about on that actual thread...

...but my point for this discussion is to emphasize that Media 100's -- let's call it -- streamlined approach was invigorating. Software that doesn't force you to bend to its will. A rarity then, perhaps rarer now.


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Jim Wiseman
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 13, 2015 at 12:51:18 am
Last Edited By Jim Wiseman on Jun 13, 2015 at 1:03:19 am

+1 !

Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.1, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500, Helios 2 w 2-960GB SSDs: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz 24Gb RAM GTX-680 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro 17" 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD


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James Culbertson
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 13, 2015 at 1:18:54 am

SheepShaver would allow you to run older versions of Media100 on OS8 or OS9!

http://sheepshaver.cebix.net/

One night I installed it and was able to play with HyperCard. again.


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James Ewart
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 13, 2015 at 12:05:46 pm

Thanks for this. I downloaded out of curiosity having worked with it a little many years ago.

Bit of a shock getting used to the interface and that would take some acclimatisation for sure. But it does the job.

However my first 1 minute clip I imported into my bin took over a minute to 'render' in. I would have a tough time getting used to that I think.


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Jim Wiseman
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 14, 2015 at 8:32:59 pm

ProRes comes in quickly. What was your codec?

Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.1, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500, Helios 2 w 2-960GB SSDs: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz, 24Gb RAM, GTX-680, 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro 17" 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD


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James Ewart
Re: Media 100 is making a Come back!
on Jun 14, 2015 at 9:05:06 pm

[Jim Wiseman] "ProRes comes in quickly. What was your codec?"

H264 was slow. Compressed QuickTime movie was slow.

I do a lot of web content. Mixed codecs. Never know what I'm going to get.

I know in FCPX the same stuff is going on in the background. I've just become impatient.


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