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Bruce Wittman
Buy FCP 7 as backup?
on Jul 1, 2011 at 2:23:18 pm

Hello All,

I have been an FCP editor for several years. I am currently on FCP 6.06 because I have a G5 Desktop (Motorola chip) and a MacBookPro with the Intel chip. So I stay with FCP 6.06 in order to edit my shows on either the desktop or laptop. Eventually, I know that I will have to upgrade my desktop, but why spend the money when everything works and my clients don't have any problems with my work. (Still waiting for the recession to go "out for recess.")

Now that FCP X is out, should I purchase the FCP 7 upgrade as a future backup? Will I be missing opportunities if I upgrade to FCP X from FCP 6.06, like Motion 4? Just wondering?!?!?

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Noah Kadner
Re: Buy FCP 7 as backup?
on Jul 1, 2011 at 2:35:43 pm

7 does offer some subtle but nice upgrades to 6 and would serve you well when you upgraded your computer. But it's a completely different universe compared to X. So those are really two separate decisions to make.

FCP 7/FCS 3 is no longer directly available from Apple right now. So if you do decide to make that move you should do it as soon as possible before remaining retail stock disappears completely.

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John Chay
Re: Buy FCP 7 as backup?
on Jul 1, 2011 at 2:36:16 pm

I think it depends on what kind of work you do. If you have no need to import/export XML, EDL, or OMF, multicam, output to tape I would consider FCPX.

If you need any of these features I would switch to Premiere or Avid.




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James Mortner
Re: Buy FCP 7 as backup?
on Jul 1, 2011 at 2:42:43 pm

It seems like you may need those features at some stage. And when you need them, you're going to need them very desperately to deliver for client/further finishing.

Otherwise NO PAYOLA !


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John Chay
Re: Buy FCP 7 as backup?
on Jul 1, 2011 at 2:50:58 pm

Apparently, there will be third-party vendors to help the FCPX community achieve whatever it is they desire sometime in the future. I read that somewhere.




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Chris Kenny
Re: Buy FCP 7 as backup?
on Jul 1, 2011 at 4:05:26 pm

[John Chay] "I think it depends on what kind of work you do. If you have no need to import/export XML, EDL, or OMF, multicam, output to tape I would consider FCPX.

If you need any of these features I would switch to Premiere or Avid."


XML export is coming in a few weeks. Third-party OMF export is here now, and there will certainly be cheaper options later. Third-party EDL export is virtually guarantied to emerge shortly after XML export.

Apple hasn't explicitly mentioned XML importing, but there are hints of it already in the FCP X code, and it's hard to imagine it will take too much longer after they deliver exporting. XML import will allow third parties to implement EDL import. (Which, it's worth noting, is required by a small fraction of people who need EDL export.)

Output to tape is already trivial via apps that ship with most video interface hardware. The real place where NLE integration matters with respect to tape is if you want to be able to recapture/relink the media used by a specific sequence from tape. Conceivably third party tools could offer this once Apple's APIs are available, but in practice I hardly see anyone still doing this. The ratio of the cost of deck time to the cost of hard drive space has shifted so much that the workflows this feature supported don't make much sense anymore.

Telling someone who's still on FCP 6 and who seems reasonably happy there for the time being that they should jump to Adobe/Avid now because it might take Apple a little while to get up to speed with FCP X doesn't make a great deal of sense. Probably everything except multicam will be here in six months, and multicam will be in the next major release.

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John Chay
Re: Buy FCP 7 as backup?
on Jul 1, 2011 at 4:08:26 pm

What's the difference of moving to Premiere or FCPX? He's moving to a whole new platform either way. My guess is that Premiere may actually be more beneficial for him since he can open old FCP 6 legacy files which FCPX cannot. Plus, Premiere has all the other features of XML, OMF, and EDL support already working natively. And you can output to tape.

I'm trying to give him advice on the best scenario. I said he should buy FCPx if he doesn't need any of those things.




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Chris Kenny
Re: Buy FCP 7 as backup?
on Jul 1, 2011 at 4:15:44 pm

[John Chay] "What's the difference of moving to Premiere or FCPX? He's moving to a whole new platform either way."

Yes, but if people who wait a little while will be able to choose which new platform they like best, instead of being forced to pick Premiere because Apple is still working on filling in feature gaps.

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John Chay
Re: Buy FCP 7 as backup?
on Jul 1, 2011 at 4:19:11 pm

Well then your advice to him is wait a little while and see if Final Cut Pro X will deliver.

My advice to him is that Adobe Premiere already delivers everything you need and you can make the switch sooner than later to keep up with the changing times. Did I mention that there is a seamless workflow from After Effects and Photoshop and Premiere?




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Scott Sheriff
Re: Buy FCP 7 as backup?
on Jul 1, 2011 at 5:29:54 pm

[Chris Kenny] "Telling someone who's still on FCP 6 and who seems reasonably happy there for the time being that they should jump to Adobe/Avid now because it might take Apple a little while to get up to speed with FCP X doesn't make a great deal of sense. Probably everything except multicam will be here in six months, and multicam will be in the next major release."

Actually it makes perfect sense. It is foolhardy to count on the future with apple. To look at their past performance, and loyalty, and come to the conclusion they will follow through as promised, or even have the slightest interest in the professional market is delusional.
Avid has already extended the $995 MC offer through September, but has also announced a July 13th meeting in LA to give editors access to top executives.
http://community.avid.com/blogs/avid/archive/2011/06/30/making-great-produc...
And in the same space of time apple has done what?
An FAQ that was a joke, full of non promise and apple-speak.
Oh, and they put the updates back on the web site.

The difference in customer service and commitment to the professional market here is as clear as night and day.

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John Chay
Re: Buy FCP 7 as backup?
on Jul 1, 2011 at 5:32:09 pm

That link is not working.




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Scott Sheriff
Re: Buy FCP 7 as backup?
on Jul 1, 2011 at 6:02:26 pm

[John Chay] "That link is not working."

Sorry, not sure what happened. It worked on the preview.
Try this instead:
http://tinyurl.com/3v8ybml

Scott Sheriff
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http://www.sstdigitalmedia.com

I have a system, it has stuff in it, and stuff hooked to it. I have a camera, it can record stuff. I read the manuals, and know how to use this stuff and lots of other stuff too.
You should be suitably impressed...

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Scott Sheriff
Re: Buy FCP 7 as backup?
on Jul 1, 2011 at 4:02:31 pm

[Bruce Wittman] "Now that FCP X is out, should I purchase the FCP 7 upgrade as a future backup? Will I be missing opportunities if I upgrade to FCP X from FCP 6.06, like Motion 4? Just wondering?!?!?"

Bruce,
You missed the boat if you wanted a NOS copy of FCS3. Apple told all the resellers to send back all the unsold units a week before the release.

Ebay, black market, or gray market copies are your choices.

Scott Sheriff
Director
http://www.sstdigitalmedia.com

I have a system, it has stuff in it, and stuff hooked to it. I have a camera, it can record stuff. I read the manuals, and know how to use this stuff and lots of other stuff too.
You should be suitably impressed...

"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." ---Red Adair


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Tony Brittan
Re: Buy FCP 7 as backup?
on Jul 1, 2011 at 5:50:45 pm

I was still on FCP 6.06 and waiting for "the next version to come out". Couple days after X came out, I bought FCS 3 on eBay for $375. It's a sealed Academic version but the ONLY difference is that you can't update academic versions. Well, since you won't be able to buy any more upgrades, who cares right? I really like the old FCP and it's treated me well over the years so I'll keep working on it while I also learn Avid (bought the crossgrade for $995) and Premiere (already had it with Production Premiuim that got for After Effects and Photoshop), and...yes...FCP X. it can never hurt to know as many tools as you can. I'd like to become NLE agnostic so I could work anywhere on anyone's system or project.


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Paul Jay
Re: Buy FCP 7 as backup?
on Jul 1, 2011 at 7:10:50 pm

Fcp7 wil run on lion. And has prores444


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John Chay
Re: Buy FCP 7 as backup?
on Jul 1, 2011 at 7:22:13 pm

This has been discussed but you can't bank your business on FCP7 working on Lion right now.

There are no more updates on FCP7 and when Apple switches to Lion there will be problems with FCP7. There are always problems when converting OS systems. Normally updates fixed the issues but now instead of getting FCP 7.1.3 you're stuck with 7.0.3 and a FCP7 that could be unusable.




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Ben Holmes
Re: Buy FCP 7 as backup?
on Jul 1, 2011 at 11:16:49 pm

Apparently I read this different. Apple said 7 will continue to work under Lion. This means - and I would argue this is now a legal obligation - that any point updates of Lion that break 7 will have to result in Pro Apps updates to fix 7.

Not saying it will be as well supported - but it will happen.

Frankly, I still run 7 under Leopard. If it ain't broke, why fix it?

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David Isser
Re: Buy FCP 7 as backup?
on Jul 15, 2011 at 7:18:06 pm

Anyone know where I can buy a copy of FCP 7?? Like a few of you, I was running 6.0.6 and was waiting for the new version, just bypassing 7 altogether. Now that FCP X looks to be years away from being professional I'm thinking I should have 7 installed right away. No idea where to get it though, apple store doesn't have it anymore... ideas?


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Bruce Wittman
Re: Buy FCP 7 as backup?
on Jul 15, 2011 at 7:19:46 pm

I understand Promax in LA still is selling FCP 7.

Bruce Wittman
Executive Producer

Eagle Video Productions, Inc.
2201 Woodnell Drive
Raleigh, NC 27603-5240

Website: http://www.eaglevideo.com
Email: bruce@eaglevideo.com

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Tony Brittan
Re: Buy FCP 7 as backup?
on Jul 15, 2011 at 7:21:21 pm

eBay! You can even buy an academic version since the only difference is that you can't upgrade it. Since there are no more "upgrades", who cares!

Tony Brittan


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David Isser
Re: Buy FCP 7 as backup?
on Jul 15, 2011 at 7:26:06 pm

nice, good thinking. thanks guys.


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