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Daniel Frome
Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 5, 2015 at 10:09:01 am

Oh, you also need to be a post supervisor.

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/tfr/4998859355.html


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Gary Huff
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 5, 2015 at 1:33:07 pm

I'd be really interested to know how much the editor of the original series back in the 80s was making, especially adjusted for inflation.


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Mark Suszko
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 5, 2015 at 2:49:39 pm

They say a range between 25 and 30k, commensurate with experience level. It does seem a little low, considering what they're asking for and who they are, and where you'd have to live, but it does have a full benefits package. Comparisons to the PBS original may or may not be fair; we don't know where all the kickstarter money is allotted, and a nationally distributed show requires a lot of "stuff" to operate.

Considering it's Burbank, and considering the glut of qualified applicants, it's likely they'll only have about, oh... 300 resumes to choose from, even at that wage. It's a supply and demand issue.

Current U.S. median income is something like 35K, if I'm not mistaken. Seems I read that somewhere recently. So, as a starter wage for some single person early in their career, not bad. If you're a 20-year veteran, it's not for you.


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Andrew Kimery
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 5, 2015 at 4:05:19 pm

Lowball rates know no NLE bounds. Look on Mandy, craigslist, or even typically better sites like StaffMeUp, and you'll see people offering crap rates for Avid, FCP 7, Resolve, X, PPro, etc,. Some of my personal favorites are no-budget filmmakers that demand their epic, indie masterpiece be finished in 4k... ugh.


[Mark Suszko] "They say a range between 25 and 30k, commensurate with experience level. It does seem a little low,"

For LA that's super lower. That's PA position low. That's working at McDonalds low. My first job in LA in 2004 was as a vault manager at a post house and I made 23 or 25k a year. That was tough to live on 10 years ago and expenses have only gone up since then. IMO it's one thing to offer a gig at a low rate because it's short term, but to offer a non-entry level staff position at such a low rate is a much tougher sell, IMO, since the assumption is that you are in it for the long haul.

I'm sure they will find someone that fits into their budget, but whether the person will have all the experience RR is looking for is another question. I wouldn't be surprised to see this turn into a revolving door job where qualified people that have hit a rough patch take it out of desperation and then bail as soon as they find a gig that pays their going rate. Or RR is going to have to adjust their sought after level of experience and find someone more green who can grow into the roll.


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John Davidson
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 5, 2015 at 5:25:02 pm

I was going to respond with something similar Mark but didn't. 30k with those benefits actually costs them about 50k after taxes since it's a full time job. 5.4 million seems like they should be on easy street but with 30+ employees in Burbank it's anything but. I estimate they're burning through about 250 to 300k (if not more) in expenses per month once you factor taxes, legal, insurance, rents, etc. That's not even factoring in infrastructure costs for building it up from pretty much scratch. I wonder how much of that 5.4 million they actually get to use and how much goes to taxes.

No it's not a great job if you're a freelancer who just edited a series for broadcast television with 20 years of experience. If you're 23 and have a few roommates, you could do worse. By my estimation it pays about 30k more than most craigslist jobs.

Creating full time jobs is not easy (especially in California!). While some of their expectations are unreasonable, there are absolutely worse jobs out there. If money really is that important to you though, you could always go for this job. http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/tfr/5010154835.html Don't forget to save up for that 50% freelancer tax rate.

Looks like they didn't want to be mocked. The original craigslist ad has been removed.

John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.


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Michael Phillips
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 5, 2015 at 5:41:37 pm

I was commenting in another forum regarding this that it would be interesting to see how the $5.4M is being spent and what it the lifespan of he business plan 1, 2, 3 years?

Michael


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John Davidson
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 5, 2015 at 5:45:20 pm

That 5.4 million is taxed as income, so I would say their burn rate right now is about 10 months. They'll need to turn a profit quickly and I don't see them generating sellable content for another 3 months at least. Perhaps they have rights to their old stuff but I know very little about RRKIDZ.

John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.


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Michael Phillips
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 5, 2015 at 5:49:41 pm

The job description did mention maintenance of the library which included the original series, so there may be some rights sharing, revenue share there as well.

Michael


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Andrew Kimery
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 5, 2015 at 6:03:00 pm

[John Davidson] "Don't forget to save up for that 50% freelancer tax rate."

Apologies in advance, but this is a pet peeve of mine. Freelancer is not synonymous with independent contractor. A freelancer can be a (temp) employee or an independent contractor, and I'd better dollars to donuts that if a freelance editor is hopping from one gig to the next they are doing so as an employee (assuming they haven't incorporated) and not as an IC in the eyes of the IRS .


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John Davidson
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 5, 2015 at 6:48:01 pm

Taxes are a pet peeve of mine too. :)

Something tells me that porn company isn't terribly concerned about withholding taxes for their freelancers.

John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.


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Andrew Kimery
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 5, 2015 at 6:50:52 pm

[John Davidson] "Taxes are a pet peeve of mine too. :)
"


lol, touché!


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Bret Williams
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 6, 2015 at 1:53:36 am

Round here freelance is definitely synonymous with independent contractor. I've never heard of taxes being withheld for a freelancer and honestly it'd tick me off. You have to be an employee to have taxes withheld. If you're freelance you don't know where your next gig is coming from and being liquid is more important than withholding taxes. I see no reason to give the U.S. government an interest free loan of MY money before there has been any determination that I owe them a dime.

I have seen a few companies require that their freelancers work through an agency. Usually these are companies that got in legal trouble for treating contractors as employees. They'd give them a desk, and have them come in at 9 for whatever work they had for them. The only difference between them and employees is they would track their hours for different projects and invoicing. Now they make them go through an agency of which they are a temp employee. They can opt in to crappy benefits through the agency. But this sort of thing isn't the norm at all. And we call freelancers that are pretty much showing up every day perma-lancers. Still contractors.


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Andrew Kimery
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 6, 2015 at 5:51:37 am

[Bret Williams] " I've never heard of taxes being withheld for a freelancer and honestly it'd tick me off. You have to be an employee to have taxes withheld. If you're freelance you don't know where your next gig is coming from and being liquid is more important than withholding taxes."

Freelancer is a casual term though, not something official used by the IRS for tax purposes. To the IRS someone is either an employee or an independent contractor. If you have a boss/supervisor, use their gear, their office space, work their hours, and/or get paid on a recurring basis (as opposed to lump sums per project), etc., then you are an employee. You might be a temp employee as opposed to a staff employee but you are an employee.

If you use your own gear, at your own place, set your own hours, have no boss/supervisor, and/or get paid in lump sums (ex. 1/2 up front, 1/4 at the halfway point and final 1/4 upon delivery), etc., then you are most likely an IC.

A downside to being misclassified as an IC is it puts you on the hook for more taxes since the employer is not kicking in their part of SS and medicare. You also aren't eligible for things like workman's comp, disability or unemployment insurance (though the state might offer something comparable that ICs can buy into).

CA has really been cracking down on this recently and it's a huge problem in the VFX community. I can't remember seeing any recently, but a couple of years ago there were billboards up in Los Angeles w/a hotline to call if you thought your employer was misclassifying you as an IC.

I mainly cut or AE on doc/unscripted movies and TV shows and there's no way I'd qualify as an IC on anything I've worked on (save for some small side projects). When I get brought onto a show I'm using their NLE, their shared storage, getting paid on a recurring basis and answering to producers, post supervisors, maybe even a lead editor too. IC I ain't and I'm not too keen on paying the taxes the company I'm working for is supposed to be paying. ;)


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Mark Suszko
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 6, 2015 at 12:31:05 pm

Another problem for independent contractors is that Uncle Sugar wants his cut of what you make given to him in estimated quarterly payments, not necessarily one lump sum in April. You could make a nice haul on a job and not be able to spend any of it. Makes for a lot of financial uncertainty.


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Bret Williams
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 6, 2015 at 3:09:48 pm
Last Edited By Bret Williams on May 6, 2015 at 3:12:26 pm

I'd rather be liquid. Seriously. Have you looked at the penalties and even the interest rates for NOT paying your quarterlies? It took me a few years of freelance before I realized that if you don't pay your quarterlies the penalties and interest, etc. depending on how much you made and all that are hundreds of dollars,(perhaps $350 or so) not thousands. My wife and I are both freelance, and come tax day, sometimes we have a bill of 20k. But we know it's coming and WE stash that money away. And if we need it, we dip into it. And WE can make interest off it all year which would equate to more than the government charges in interest and penalties. They are the cheapest loan you'll ever find. Well, lately rates have been low, but historically cheaper than a loan and certainly you're better off than if you had an emergency and had to put something on your Credit Card! So if we were to send $4k or $5k to uncle sam every quarter that's like operating without a contingency. We pay our bills on time. We pay our contractors on time. We don't give the Federal government a free loan.


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Bret Williams
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 6, 2015 at 2:43:34 pm

[Andrew Kimery] "I mainly cut or AE on doc/unscripted movies and TV shows and there's no way I'd qualify as an IC on anything I've worked on (save for some small side projects). When I get brought onto a show I'm using their NLE, their shared storage, getting paid on a recurring basis and answering to producers, post supervisors, maybe even a lead editor too. IC I ain't and I'm not too keen on paying the taxes the company I'm working for is supposed to be paying. ;)"

I agree with everything you said. Except this last one. You certainly don't think you'll make more money from a company just because you'd be an employee and now the company is paying the taxes? Companies basically don't pay taxes. I mean they do, but it HAS to get rolled into the cost of doing business. You get paid $50, $75, $100/hr as an IC or whatever for many calculated reasons. Essentially it's what the market has deemed it will bear. If you decide you'd rather be an employee, the company isn't going to be paying that same rate PLUS SS, medicare and health benefits. You'd likely be getting half your IC rate or less. It's all the same to the company. When they determine a salary they're adding up everything you're going to cost. When they determine IC rates it's the same thing. They'll pay more because they don't have to pay the taxes and benefits. And after 18 years as a 1099 contractor working out of my house and at facilities on their systems, I wouldn't change a thing. I know what the tax rates are. I know I how to buy disability insurance, etc. I've had salary jobs. They were great jobs, but twice the work for half the pay. Of course I had health insurance benefits and they paid the extra hidden 7.5% of SS/fica and that amounted to something so lets say twice the work at 3/4 the pay.

I also enjoy the job security of being an IC. When the economy slows down work for an IC slows down. But when the economy slows for an employee, they often just get laid off!

There have been some issues around here as I mentioned where companies have been forced to make sure their ICs go through an agency, especially if they want to treat them more like temp employees and just have them come in. The agency actually who the company is hiring. They provide optional benefits and do any withholding, etc. But that's rare. Generally because someone was unhappy and wanted to be an employee and brought something to the attention of the IRS. But even then its a very grey area still. It was my understanding that the IRS has realized their definition, specifically about using others equipment, is a bit extreme / outdated. A company can certainly have employees and have them come in and work on the companies equipment. It's really when they meet all the criteria of an employee that the companies get in trouble. Having them keep regular hours with no project assigned is the big flag. The whole "just come in we'll find something for you to do" kinda situation. But as long as you have a billable project with a reasonable start and end, I'd say you're a contractor even if you're working on someone else's NLE. If not, there are a huge number of fortune 500 companies in this town that are up the creek!


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Andrew Kimery
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 8, 2015 at 7:54:47 am

[Bret Williams] "If you decide you'd rather be an employee, the company isn't going to be paying that same rate PLUS SS, medicare and health benefits. "

That actually happened at Viacom 8 or 9 years ago (exception that proves the rule?). They had legions of perma-lance employees (some people worked there 5 or 6 years as 'temp' employees) filling staff positions but not getting staff benefits and eventually there was an uprising. IIRC anyone that had been a temp employee working at least 9 out of the past 12 months could go choose to go staff at their current pay rate. Of course Viacom has since started laying staff off and replacing them with 'temp' employees again so it looks like the cycle is repeating itself.


But, back on topic, benefits aren't a requirement. For example, temp employees don't qualify for full time benefits which is one reason companies keep trying to plug temp employees or ICs to into full time, staff positions. Or companies only work people part time. I know a few people working for some large companies but only part time. They'll basically either work 3 days a week and are eligible to work 12 months a year or they 5 days a week but only for 9 months out of the year to keep (this keeps total hours worked annually below the full time threshold). From what I hear the pay is good and the work is fun so some people stick around for years hoping one of the highly sought after full time slots becomes available.


[Bret Williams] "There have been some issues around here as I mentioned where companies have been forced to make sure their ICs go through an agency, especially if they want to treat them more like temp employees and just have them come in"

If they have to get their ICs through an employment agency it doesn't sound like they are ICs. ;)

[Bret Williams] " I'd say you're a contractor even if you're working on someone else's NLE. If not, there are a huge number of fortune 500 companies in this town that are up the creek!"

What you or I think about the definition doesn't ultimately matter though as the definitions are set by the IRS for tax purposes. I'm sure there are a lot companies, big and small, that are misclassifying people. FedEx, for example, has been taken to court over this but it's a tough row to hoe against a company with deep pockets like that. Lyft and Uber originally tried to classify their drivers as contractors but got taken to court and lost (they obviously aren't the size of FedEx but I remember reading about it recently). Not an employee/IC thing, but recently a number wage fixing incidents have come to light involving companies like Google, Apple, HP, Adobe, Lucas Film, eBay, Dreamworks, Disney, Pixar, etc.,. I don't think we really hear much about it because the people affected either don't realize what's going on and/or they are afraid of speaking out because they might lose their job/get blackballed. Not to drag this out, but it seems like many of the companies that try and play with the rules are either so small they don't think they can survive otherwise or so big they don't think anyone is going to call them on it.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programing.

[Bret Williams] "I'm glad you did your diligence and decided which company was the better deal. But comparing what one company will pay vs. what another will pay just determined that FOX paid better than ESPN. Not that getting paid via 1099 vs. W-2 is worse. I worked at 3 salaried jobs before I went freelance. I get paid twice as much, have a ton more free time, can write off my computers, phone, a portion of my utilities, etc. Insurance cost money sure. As does self employment tax."

I think a lot of the differences in perspective is based on the markets we work in and the types of work we usually take.

For example, full time staff gigs are pretty rare out here (Los Angeles) and if I do see one it's usually a corporate gig working in-house some place. I've never been a salaried employee before though I have worked as a full time, hourly staff employee, as a temp/project based employee and as an IC. On the staff job the hourly rate was low, but that was indicative of the company and the budgets they worked with. The rate for freelancers (project based employees) was about the same as it was for the staff editors (sometimes a little higher, sometimes a little lower).

I left that staff gig a while ago and went back to freelancing. Being freelance certainly affords me the flexibility to find hire paying work than my staff gig, but for the type of work I normally do (documentaries and unscripted/reality TV) it certainly falls under the employee umbrella. I know my rate, and the range the gigs typically fall within, and maybe there's some negotiating and maybe there's not, but even if the production wanted to skirt the rules and go w/ an IC I don't think the rate would change because the show's budget is the show's budget. They aren't going to pay an IC 2x a much as a temp employee 'cause the temp, unlike a full time staff employee, doesn't incur a ton of overhead.

I know editors that incorporated and then loan themselves out to productions, but some production companies won't do that because they want everyone on payroll (I assume for accounting reasons). So with that approach you have to make sure you get enough 'loan out' work that it justifies the cost and hassle of incorporating.


FWIW, temp employees can write work related things off too though not as broad a range as ICs.


EDIT: I remember I have worked as a salaried employee before. It was a long time ago and only for a few months (hired in Sept, whole video department laid off in December). Looking back at that now though, I definitely was misclassified as exempt when I should have been non-exempt.


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tony west
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 6, 2015 at 12:42:54 pm

[Bret Williams] " I've never heard of taxes being withheld for a freelancer"

I get that every day with my union contract.

I prefer not to get a 1099

They are not paying their part of your social security that way, which means I have to pay mine and theirs.

No thanks


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Bret Williams
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 6, 2015 at 4:41:53 pm

You're paying both parts in either case. That 7% is part of the allocation to your salary. Part of the overall cost that is you. Your benefits, your ss matching, and your salary. They can't just create that money from thin air. I'd prefer to know what my government is taking from me vs. having it hidden. So many people don't even know that their employer matches the SS tax. And that's the way our gov would like to keep it.


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tony west
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 6, 2015 at 5:21:48 pm

[Bret Williams] "You're paying both parts in either case."

I don't believe that is right Bret.

With a W2 the employer is paying half of your SS and Medicare. You pay the other half.

If they give you a 1099 you have to pay all of it yourself. You must pay self-employment tax.

I went through this for years. ESPN would give out a 1099 and I would have to pay huge amounts in taxes quarterly.

I got W2's from FOX and I paid a lot less in taxes. (doing the same exact sports) I quit working for ESPN on that alone unless I was paid under our contract which was a W2.

I just sat down one day and did the numbers, then I took it to my accountant who confirmed my numbers.

Also if you get hurt on the job working under a 99 you are on your own.


[Bret Williams] "So many people don't even know that their employer matches the SS tax. And that's the way our gov would like to keep it."


If somebody doesn't understand what they are paying in taxes they should have their tax preparer explain it to them. If they are too disinterested to do that, it's not the government's fault.


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Bret Williams
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 6, 2015 at 5:35:44 pm

All I'm saying, is when an employer offers you a job at a certain salary, the hidden 7% that they have to put in is part of their determination of what they can afford to pay. They would be pretty bad business people if they did not. When you hire somebody at $100,000 a year, as an employer you're hiring someone at $107,500 a year. That's what their cost is to you. Plus any other benefits of course. Likely, they have a number in mind. For example, they said to themselves, "gosh, we spent $120,000 on freelancers last year. Maybe we should just hire someone." They then have to figure out what that someone would cost. They might budget ... 100k salary, +7k SS match, plus 15k in benefits and insurance and other incidentals. Wait, that's going to cost us 122k a year! So ok, we can afford 98k a year for an employee.

Whether you decide to be an independent contractor over an employee involves the same calculations, doesn't it? What kind of an hourly wage will the market bear? How much do you expect to work? What does disability insurance, taxes and expenses cost? What will your take home pay be vs. an employee? And so on. You may decide it's a wash, but an employee is there 50 weeks a year for the same take home pay as a contractor. What could you do with that free time? There's a lot of good stuff on Netflix.


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tony west
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 6, 2015 at 5:46:50 pm

[Bret Williams] "All I'm saying, is when an employer offers you a job at a certain salary, the hidden 7% that they have to put in is part of their determination"

I have to go work baseball so it may be a bit for me to fully get back

but

ESPN would call themselves paying you a "higher" day rate for events like say NFL

what I'm saying is I did the math. By the time I got done paying all the taxes that THEY didn't pay I had more take home money working for FOX

I would tell other freelancers but they never actually did the math. I'm giving a real world example that I lived. Not something I'm guessing at for a discussion.

Most people assumed they would make more with the "higher rate" but I don't like to assume.

I like to do math when it comes to my money.


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Bret Williams
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 6, 2015 at 5:58:25 pm

First- awesome that you're going to go shoot some baseball! Closest thing I ever had was my first job out of college. I worked at GA Tech Athletic Association shooting and editing all their sports highlight videos and satellite feeds. 1993-1995. Nomar Garciaparra was there. Such a nice guy the few times I met him. Good times. Not much pay, but good times.

I'm glad you did your diligence and decided which company was the better deal. But comparing what one company will pay vs. what another will pay just determined that FOX paid better than ESPN. Not that getting paid via 1099 vs. W-2 is worse. I worked at 3 salaried jobs before I went freelance. I get paid twice as much, have a ton more free time, can write off my computers, phone, a portion of my utilities, etc. Insurance cost money sure. As does self employment tax. But I'm still way ahead. But I'm sure there's a salaried job out there that's a much better deal. I'm just not qualified for it!

Go have fun.


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tony west
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 7, 2015 at 5:20:02 am
Last Edited By tony west on May 7, 2015 at 11:26:49 am

Yes, we have the red-hot Cardinals going against Jeff's Cubbies : ) They got us tonight.

[Bret Williams] "But comparing what one company will pay vs. what another will pay just determined that FOX paid better than ESPN."

Actually they didn't and still don't. The day rate for ESPN was slightly higher than Fox back then, but the take home was less. (self-employment tax) Meaning at the end of the day you made less money.
It was like 5% vs 13% I think. Now, that 8% goes in my pocket.

NBC and CBS both are W2 so I will work for them also.

I do have some 99's enough for me to deduct my camera gear and stuff just like you. I just make sure that the bulk of my network gigs are W2

I get money back instead of paying quarters.

It's cool though, if those 99's are working for you have at it.
I just wanted to get my information out there to people who may not be so familiar with the topic.

I am an officer in my union also and it comes up all the time with new members.


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Bret Williams
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 7, 2015 at 12:54:35 pm

Just wanted to make sure you knew that every time you see 7.5% taken out for FICA/Social Security that is your half. The employer pays the government the other half. It equals the exact same amount as social security/self employment tax. It doesn't sound like you understand that. And of course they have to work that into their cost of doing business. If they were paying you $100/hr as an employee/W-2, they were also paying the government another $7.50 per hour.


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tony west
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 8, 2015 at 2:59:56 am

[Bret Williams] "Just wanted to make sure you knew that every time you see 7.5% taken out for FICA/Social Security that is your half. The employer pays the government the other half. It equals the exact same amount as social security/self employment tax."

I believe I understand it pretty well Bret, when they give you a 99 they are paying zero into your social security. YOU pay their half AND your half in that case. You are paying more in taxes that way.


In a W2 they ARE paying their half like you said. You seem to be saying that in a 99 they are paying your SS. Are you saying that? Why would they do that? You are not an employee You are "self"-employed at that point.


With a 99 they are saying that you are not an employee. They don't owe you anything. No workman's comp, no SS, nothing.

And if you drop something on somebody's head, they can say "see Bret on that"

That's why I carry liability insurance for the few 99 jobs I have.

It's like if you hired somebody to build a deck on the back of your house. You wouldn't pay that person's SS, they are a contractor for that one job.

A 99 is OK if you work for a person once or twice a year, but when I was traveling across the country making ten's of thousands of dollars for ESPN I was not a deck builder. I was an employee and should have been paid like one. They just didn't want to pay people like that. It saved them cash. It's illegal and came to an end now but they got away with it for years.


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 6, 2015 at 6:22:06 pm

[tony west] "I like to do math when it comes to my money."

But where do you get your insurance and any disability? Would it be from whoever is paying you for that job, should something happen?


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tony west
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 7, 2015 at 5:01:33 am
Last Edited By tony west on May 7, 2015 at 11:29:02 am

[Jeremy Garchow] "But where do you get your insurance and any disability? Would it be from whoever is paying you for that job, should something happen?"

I bought my health insurance myself privately for most of my career. When the affordable care act came in I got into that. Fox offers a plan but it wasn't as good as what I had.

We had a guy get hurt on the job a few years back and Fox kicked in.

We have a big Union town here in St. Louis and have great contracts. I got rid of disability insurance a while back.

Our union also pays for part of our hospital stay depending on how long you are in there.

We also have a pension plan that is like 40 bucks an events. That really adds up when you consider how many baseball games and hockey games and basket ball there are. Even commercial work.

The problem with that add was the part that said it was "non-union" : )


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 7, 2015 at 4:09:32 pm

[tony west] "Our union also pays for part of our hospital stay depending on how long you are in there.

We also have a pension plan that is like 40 bucks an events. That really adds up when you consider how many baseball games and hockey games and basket ball there are. Even commercial work.

The problem with that add was the part that said it was "non-union" : )"


I see. I operate the way Brett does, so I was wondering how you did it. It sounds like there's some security with the union. I am non union.

I guess I'd rather get the money that my clients agree to rather than have them take taxes out. I do have to set aside tax money, but it's not a big deal. The other way to do it is to over pay estimated taxes, and then get a return, just like everyone else, but I tend to not do that, as like you, I like the money in my pocket for as long as possible! Also, during the course of the year, I will have many many "employers" and I think accounting wise, it is much easier for them to pay the bill as a contractor rather than pay me as an employee, but rarely do I go to work in other places with other's equipment.

This has been a good discussion.


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tony west
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 8, 2015 at 3:15:13 am
Last Edited By tony west on May 8, 2015 at 11:39:14 am

[Jeremy Garchow] "It sounds like there's some security with the union."

There is, but what you really have is a fair wage. The union establishes a floor that people can't go under.

You can get paid more than the wage (and we are all for that) but you can't go under it.

Somebody can't come in and say, I will do that job that Jeremy did for 5 bucks. We don't have folks undercutting the rate here so everybody gets paid big. Everyone knows when they come into this town what the deal is.



[Jeremy Garchow] "I guess I'd rather get the money that my clients agree to rather than have them take taxes out. "


I get the money they agree to also in the contract, and I don't have to worry about the taxes.

You can see my response above J, but we have to compare apples to apples. If you do one job for somebody for 1500.00 and you want to take a 99 that's one thing, but would you really let somebody slide you a 99 on 30k worth of work? You are going to get killed in taxes like that.

I do most of my work for Networks. I want W2s from them. It's different if I do a small job for a single producer.

The math has to be done on each case. After rereading your post Jeremy it sounds like you have done the math and it's working for you. I'm glad it is working out for you both.

This is working out much better for me these days than before. I'm not having to come up with thousands of dollars each quarter and assuming responsibilities that belong to the employer.


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 8, 2015 at 12:26:42 pm

[tony west] "Somebody can't come in and say, I will do that job that Jeremy did for 5 bucks."

If they can get the job done for 5 bucks, they can have it!!! :)

[tony west] "You can see my response above J, but we have to compare apples to apples. If you do one job for somebody for 1500.00 and you want to take a 99 that's one thing, but would you really let somebody slide you a 99 on 30k worth of work? You are going to get killed in taxes like that.
"


I read your earlier response, and it does make sense. I think we have different job styles. I may be working for 5 - 10 clients concurrently, and while they are jobs, I am definitely more like a contractor. Some of our clients have ongoing work, but most call us when they have a specific project, so it's best for us to run things like I do. Yes, I have to be mindful of taxes, but all that takes is careful preparation, which means leaving some aside for Unkie Sam when the checks finally come in (Net 30, is a long gone distant memory. As easy and fast as technology makes it to transfer money to someone, companies are holding on to cash for as long as they absolutely can, and it can be tough to string together a bunch of expensive jobs and then waiting to recoup those costs).

And yes, I have a great tax person.

I don't know anyone in our freelance pool that uses W2, they are all 99, and usually are all incorporated. I'm not saying you are wrong, not in the least bit. I like hearing about it as it's something that I have never come across, but then again, most of our clients aren't our employers, and all our freelancers aren't our employees.


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tony west
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 8, 2015 at 10:44:01 pm

[Jeremy Garchow] "I don't know anyone in our freelance pool that uses W2, they are all 99, and usually are all incorporated."

I hear you. Most contractors I'm sure do it just like you and Bret.

I do it that way also when I have to, but when I can get around it I do. I sometimes do spots for FOX SPORTS and they allow me to bill them as an employee and take the W2.

That also lets me avoid state unemployment insurance since in that case, I'm not the employer.
Some states do that differently so it just depends. That's another thing I don't want to pay : )
It may not be that much money but it's money and it adds up over time.

A lot of it IMHO is about shifting responsibility to the contractor. Especially when it comes to liability.

So if I'm in the Hall Of Fame Museum and a light falls over and damages something, FOX is not going to say, hey, Tony the independent contractor did that. He will write you a check.

I had one client take it to the next level one time and wanted me to actually sign a contract that said I was on the hook for anything.

I will often rig television cameras high over crowds in stadiums and if one was to come down and hurt somebody they wanted to run. I told them no way in h- I was going to sign that.
I'm using your support gear in order to put it up there for YOU. If your gear ends up being defective why should I be on the hook? They agreed with me and took the responsibility. I was the only person I think that challenged it.

In my experience employers for the most part are not looking out for me and my ss. They care about their own bottom line so I make sure I pay attention to every time for my future. Who else will? : )


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Andrew Kimery
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 8, 2015 at 10:54:52 pm

[tony west] "Tony the independent contractor"

That actually has a nice ring to it, too bad you don't do more IC work. ;)

You still headed west for some Dodgers action this summer?


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tony west
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 9, 2015 at 9:45:53 pm

[Andrew Kimery] "[tony west] "Tony the independent contractor"

That actually has a nice ring to it, too bad you don't do more IC work. ;)

You still headed west for some Dodgers action this summer?"


hehehe


Yes I am. Looking forward to it. We get in on the 5th of June. It will be the first time my cousins have been to California so I'm sure they are gonna want to do all that touristy stuff ; P

Disneyland, beach and such. We are going to the Sunday game which I'm pretty sure is going to be taken by ESPN Sunday Night Baseball.

If I don't get a chance to catch up to you this trip, I will be coming back out there by myself soon.


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Andrew Kimery
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 11, 2015 at 5:15:29 am

[tony west] "If I don't get a chance to catch up to you this trip, I will be coming back out there by myself soon."

Right on. Sounds like you might have your hands full but we can play it by ear.


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Bret Williams
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 10, 2015 at 12:38:48 am

Why should any of these be the responsibility of the employer? If you like it that they're putting aside YOUR taxes for you fine. But the ONLY reason that the govt wants them withheld is so they can ensure they get them. But I'm just not a fan of the nanny state. I don't have any wage protections. Let someone do my job for less. Hey if they can afford it, and the company is happy with it, that's what it should pay. I'm selling a product/service. Even if the IRS defines you as an employee I don't believe you should jbe thinking of the people your sell your services to as employers. They are clients and customers of your services. You have something of value to them and the two of you should mutually determine a price. I've found that thinking that way is healthier all around. Nobody owes me anything.


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tony west
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 10, 2015 at 2:39:22 pm

[Bret Williams] "Why should any of these be the responsibility of the employer?"

Because they are bringing in Billions and I'm just a working class guy. If you want to take that responsibility go ahead and take it. I just don't want you deciding for me that I have to take it.

[Bret Williams] "But the ONLY reason that the govt wants them withheld is so they can ensure they get them. But I'm just not a fan of the nanny state. "

Now we are getting to the real deal.

OK, as my dad always says "Do the math" So let's do it.

My aunt was in a retirement home here in St. Louis. Not the best one and not the worst one. They were charging $6,000.00 a month. A month! That's $72,000.00 a year. My aunt was a nun for a good part of her life and then a school teacher. Do you think she was paying $72,000.00 a year in taxes as a school teacher in the 1950s? Of course not. She probably only got paid $8,000.00 a year.

She, like most Americans (that live a long life) got back way more than she ever put in.

I didn't even add in medical bills and medicine.

You are looking in the wrong direction with the "nanny state" who you SHOULD be looking at are these knuckle heads that are overcharging our elderly.

Young people don't pay attention to these kind of issues because they are not in a home or don't have parents old enough to be in one yet.

I'm sure you don't pay anywhere near 6k on your home right now and you are in the prime of your earning.

By the time you are 75 and on a fixed income, you are going to end up in a dinky room with a roommate
just like my aunt, paying way more than 6k by that point, and it won't be the government that put you there. It's a scary thought right? Nobody wants to think about it. Folks better wake up.

[Bret Williams] "Let someone do my job for less. Hey if they can afford it, and the company is happy with it, that's what it should pay."

So you are for a race to the bottom. I'm not.

I want the working class to make as much as they can so they can spend it back into the economy and we all do well. Not just some at the top.

I'm sure there are people that would work the World Series for free just to be there. I'm glad your view is a minority one so I can earn a living : )


[Bret Williams] "You have something of value to them and the two of you should mutually determine a price. "

I agree, and that's what we do. All the union does is put that agreement into writing. A contract.
Same as you, I just have it in writing.



[Bret Williams] "Nobody owes me anything."

It's a nice line, but I'm sure slaves back on the plantations didn't have the luxury of using it.


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John Davidson
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 10, 2015 at 4:18:41 pm

[tony west] "[Bret Williams] "Nobody owes me anything."

It's a nice line, but I'm sure slaves back on the plantations didn't have the luxury of using it."


Wait wait wait. Did you just indirectly accuse Reading Rainbow, owned by Lavar Burton, actor from "Roots" of being the equivalent of a slave owner?

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Bill Davis
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 10, 2015 at 6:22:01 pm

[John Davidson] "Wait wait wait. Did you just indirectly accuse Reading Rainbow, owned by Lavar Burton, actor from "Roots" of being the equivalent of a slave owner?"

I think what's being charged is that somebody downstream in the Reading Rainbow organization is utterly clueless as to how the modern internet works.

But just because Mr Burton has built solid credentials and has great stockpiles of earned goodwill - how dose that exempt him from fair ongoing scrutiny?

If we're wrong, somebody needs to disabuse us of the notion that it's a "grinders" offer.

Until that happens, it will tarnish the reputation of the new RR endeavor. Which is sad.

Know someone who teaches video editing in elementary school, high school or college? Tell them to check out http://www.StartEditingNow.com - video editing curriculum complete with licensed practice content.


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tony west
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 11, 2015 at 1:17:25 am

[John Davidson] "Wait wait wait. Did you just indirectly accuse Reading Rainbow, owned by Lavar Burton, actor from "Roots" of being the equivalent of a slave owner?"

Roots, hummmmm

Some folks might need a refresher course on that old classic series.

Yas'em


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Bret Williams
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 13, 2015 at 7:23:32 am

Perhaps those that were harmed from slavery are owed something. Native Americans and holocaust survivors too. I won't debate that. I'll leave that for deeper thinkers than I to figure out. There aren't many easy answers there. Who should pay for the Jews hardships? An entire race was nearly wiped out. But the criminals mostly that commuted the atrocities were wiped out as well. There are likely holocaust survivors of all sorts entering nursing homes that obviously didn't have life handed to them. These are tough issues with no real easy answers.

As to your grandmothers situation, if the nursing home were being paid for by govt then she certainly is getting back more than she paid in. And I certainly realize that nursing homes are expensive. I don't know if they're lining their pockets or not. But if they are, why isn't there a chain of reasonably priced decent nursing homes out there? Or if they're so insanely lucrative why aren't there more? We have a couple and it's my understanding they stay pretty full. When I try to do the math regarding the costs, I have no basis to even guess at the hidden costs of a 24hr medical staff and other staff essentially doing cooking, cleaning, maintenance, etc.. However, if you weren't in a nursing home, a small apartment could easily cost $1500 a month plus utilities. Weekly maid service hundreds a month. Some sort of transportation, a few hundred. Food $500 a month. And if you're in a nursing home vs assisted living, then likely you needed 24hr care. An in home caregiver could cost half as much as a nursing home and you'd still be left with mortgages, food, utilities (and a roommate!). So I know very little about nursing home actual expenses, but the more I think about the costs, 6k still seems high, but I assume they want to make a 25% profit on top of their costs. Liability insurance is probably a nightmare too. Maybe 6k isn't as high as it sounds. When you add up my mortgage, car, utilities, food, it's probably 3k a month. If I needed a full time live in nurse wouldn't that easily be another 2k a month? I know there should be an economy of scale in a nursing home, but their pricing is likely hitting a number a 6k/month that leaves relatives saying, well, it'd be almost that if she had her own apt with 24hr nursing care. And then, who does the shopping? When does that nurse get to take time off? Almost need two people!

So yeah, life is going to get expensive. As the father of a child with muscular dystrophy you can bet I know that. And we're all a product of our lifetime of decisions. Your grandmother chose a low paying career and if that was her only income it probably has made her later years tougher on her and her relatives wallets. My son didn't choose his ailment, but yet I'm still not a big government fan and try to stay objective about it.

For example lets say your grandmother only made $8k a year from ages 20-70. 50 years. She would have paid in 1200 a year to social security. That's $60k. Sounds like she'll get that back a few times over. Good deal right? But had she been allowed to invest that 15% in even a modest fund averaging 6.5% compounded interest she'd have $425k banked up. And these days, had it all been in a Roth, it'd be tax free. So that's some of my math. I've often said, even now, that I'll gladly hand over all the money I've put in and want nothing back if I could opt out of the system. Because obviously I could easily do better with that cash than the govt. but that would never be an option as the money I'm putting in is gone. It's not earning interest. It's not being used to help the economy. It's being used to pay for the welfare of our grandparents. And good for them, they paid into it. And they SHOULD get back 10x what they put into it because that's the kind of money they could have made had they invested it instead. They were robbed by the biggest Ponzi scheme around. The govt doesn't have money or even earn money they simply spend the earnings of others and that's a huge amount of power to wield around that shouldn't be taken lightly. If the govt can mandate I spend $850/mo on insurance why don't they mandate we invest 10% of our take home pay? It's certainly be a far better, less riskier investment that would leave us all better off (and less reliant on govt and others) when we're old. And that's good for everybody.


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tony west
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 13, 2015 at 10:34:11 pm

[Bret Williams] "I certainly realize that nursing homes are expensive. I don't know if they're lining their pockets or not."

If I had to guess, I would say that they are charging sky high prices because they know that Medicaid and Medicare is going to pick it up.

You can't get blood out of a rock. if people don't have it you can't get it. And most won't have it.

Most people can not afford 6k a month on a fixed income. Heck, most people can't pay it now at their full income.

If you don't have it and no medicare then what? People on the streets like before the New Deal?
Good luck selling that plan to people.



[Bret Williams] "Your grandmother chose a low paying career"

(my aunt) and what she "chose" was an honorable career helping children learn. As an African American Woman in the 40's and 50's in this country I'm sure you are aware that her career paths were quite limited.
I know you are self aware enough to know that, so I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt as
a miss type : )


[Bret Williams] "My son didn't choose his ailment, but yet I'm still not a big government fan"

I don't know you or your son, but if they take some money from my check to help him or others like him I'm fine with that.

There are only two choices. Government or private. After dealing with Private insurance as a Freelance person and having them asking me if I had anything on their 3 page list of questions, I can't imagine they would welcome your son with open arms.

So he has to struggle, so Bill McGuire on United Healthcare can get his BBBBBB Billion dollars he got?



[Bret Williams] " But had she been allowed to invest that 15% in even a modest fund averaging 6.5% compounded interest she'd have $425k banked up."

Allowed? People are "allowed" to invest in the stock market anytime they want. The stock market is a casino. There is no guarantee you will do well. Let's say you are half way to retirement Bret, following your example you should have 212K banked right now. It's just not realistic. Has that last big crash left your memory already? That was the government and the taxpayers that had to bail those fools out, or there wouldn't even be a market for people to fantasize about.



[Bret Williams] " Because obviously I could easily do better with that cash than the govt. "

I don't think you could. See above.

Finally I would say that the government is not some strange thing that is out there. It is the representative
of the people who take the time to vote. We have the new deal because The People wanted it.
More people wanted it in this country than the people who didn't want it.

That's what America is all about Bret. You got an idea, go out and convince people to get on board.
That's what I do everyday.


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Gary Huff
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 5, 2015 at 10:57:14 pm

[John Davidson] "No it's not a great job if you're a freelancer who just edited a series for broadcast television with 20 years of experience. If you're 23 and have a few roommates, you could do worse. By my estimation it pays about 30k more than most craigslist jobs."

Call me cynical, but I bet they don't go with someone who shows promise and needs experience, but instead with someone who has loads of experience and is desperate for anything.


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Darren Roark
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 13, 2015 at 3:30:24 am

[John Davidson] "By my estimation it pays about 30k more than most craigslist jobs."

Ha! So true, so wise John.


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David Roth Weiss
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 5, 2015 at 2:50:43 pm

They probably paid three to four times more on the original - when they read that FCP X is three to four times as fast as all other NLEs they adjusted accordingly. :)

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions


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Mark Suszko
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 5, 2015 at 3:57:25 pm

I know you're kidding but there is truth in a good joke. If you're faster in the edit, you free up time to re-visit decisions, and try more alternate takes, perhaps to discover a much better version, or to confirm that you've done the best job possible. Or, with the spare time, you could spend more hours on compositing effects, coloring, or on sound design. Time saved in one step, is time available for other uses. Accuracy IS speed.

A classic question asked is: what's cheaper; an old pro charging 500 an hour, who's done in an hour, or a newbie who works ten hours to get to the same place, but only charges fifty bucks per hour? A math or accounting student probably says they are equal. A producer more likely looks at the additional time freed up by the pro's single productive hour, and decides this is the better distribution or resources. Same as with hiring pro actors for your productions versus using amateur "volunteers".

It's not that you can't get a good performance out of the less experienced actors; With a good director, time, and patience, you can.

But that the pros are so very consistent, that you can shoot single camera from multiple angles and *know* you have something that will cut together well, in minimal time. Whereas, with the non-pro talent, you might shoot multi-cam iso coverage because they can't be consistent, take to take. You spend more manpower and you spend extra for the multiple cameras, more time and gear to simultaneously light for three angles instead of one or two, and you spend more time in post because you have to ingest more footage from multiple sources, and a LOT of time will be spent fixing continuity and timing or line errors in the multicam.

My old friend Lou Rosenblate used to call this: "Stepping over dollars, to pick up dimes".


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TImothy Auld
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 6, 2015 at 12:16:11 am

I did it occasionally on a fill in basis and I think I got $300 for 8.

Tim


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Andy Neil
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 5, 2015 at 4:50:41 pm

I hope the editor they hire has parents in town because that's where they'll have to be living in order to survive on 25K.

Andy

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Michael Phillips
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 5, 2015 at 5:21:22 pm

The post has been removed. That was quick.


Michael


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Andrew Kimery
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 5, 2015 at 5:28:12 pm

[Michael Phillips] "The post has been removed. That was quick."

I think originally went up last week, maybe they found someone? I think it was also on the "I need an editor" FB page and didn't exactly get a warm reception there either.


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Shane Ross
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 5, 2015 at 5:32:39 pm

Drat. I was going to send them this:







Shane
Little Frog Post
Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def


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Shane Ross
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 5, 2015 at 5:44:04 pm

In all politeness, of course. I mean, I know the show is great and noble and all, and that they can't afford too much, but an experienced editor who can also post supervise needs more than that. As stated, that's like food service wages, not highly skilled worker wages.

But I do know that post budgets are some of the biggest part of the expenses on some shows.

Shane
Little Frog Post
Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def


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Dennis Radeke
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 5, 2015 at 6:01:37 pm

[Shane Ross] "In all politeness, of course."

I think at that kind of a wage, politeness may be politely kicked to the curb.

Also - LOVE the JJ video snippet! Perfect!


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Shane Ross
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 5, 2015 at 6:12:46 pm

It's funny because I did just that once. I interviewed for an editing job on a major cable network, and when I asked the rate, they quoted me something just under an assistant's wage. I laughed out loud...and then had to apologize for doing so. "Sorry, didn't think you were serious. Well, good luck then." And left.

Shane
Little Frog Post
Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def


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Bret Williams
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 6, 2015 at 12:45:52 am

Just out of college I traveled a few hours to interview for a gig at a small town TV news station. 1993. They said stuff like fast paced and deadline driven. They made me take a sort of creative writing test as I'd likely have write, edit and produce small news stories. 16,000yr. BUT, they said the cost of living was low!


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Gary Huff
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 6, 2015 at 1:18:55 am

[Bret Williams] "They made me take a sort of creative writing test"

Seems ballsy when you're offering 16k (25k now adjusted).


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David Mathis
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 5, 2015 at 6:57:19 pm

I am serious and don't call me Shirley. ;-)


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Tim Wilson
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 5, 2015 at 7:08:28 pm

[John Davidson] "Something tells me that porn company isn't terribly concerned about withholding taxes for their freelancers."

We have a goodly number of porn editors represented at Creative COW, who understandably don't talk about their work. Those companies are typically straight legit, because they come under extra scrutiny, for everything from AIDS to OSHA to RICO to taxes.

Not that plenty of them don't try to cut corners on post using low budgets as the excuse, but the reports I've gotten don't indicate that this is any different than anywhere else.

(Also worth noting: one of the first sectors to broadly adopt Media 100 was porn. I'd guess in the early days, very nearly 100% of the Media 100 users in Orange County were working in porn. Media 100's customer base quickly expanded of course, but porn plays an important role for media creation no less than it does media consumption.)


[John Davidson] "By my estimation it pays about 30k more than most craigslist jobs."

I was going to ask about this. Doesn't craigslist imply little-to-no pay? Do any jobs with appropriate salaries get posted there? I don't know because I've never looked, but the threads in the COW lamenting ridiculously low pay for editors whose experience warrants much more are almost exclusively from craigslist.

A question for the LA crowd in particular, is "non-union" a red flag for you? Again, I don't know, and I'm certainly not asking anything broad about unions. I'm just asking in the context of, do non-union jobs tend to pay this much less.

Certainly no complaints about benefits though, and nice to have them included rather than as part of union dues...but if union dues secure higher-paying jobs....?

So, asking broadly, what do you see as the relationship between craigslist, non-union and union jobs? Is there any, or can we just summarize as "craigslist offers are miserable" and leave it at that?


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Mark Suszko
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 5, 2015 at 7:42:16 pm

Craigs is for amateurs, in the original sense of the word: those who do something for the love of doing it, not for profit. Craigs is for undergrads, hobbyists, independents with absolutely no money, and fans and aficionados, who want to work on something low-end. Plus sketchy and odd folks of no particular alignment.


Couldn't Raise Any Income; Gonna Starve.


I'm going to have to recuse myself from talking about unions for a while, though my take on them is nothing but positive.


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Mark Suszko
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 5, 2015 at 7:44:50 pm

Too bad the ad was pulled: the requirements should have also had:

-Can ascend to double the altitude of most lepidoptra
-Can do anything
-Can go anywhere


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Andrew Kimery
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 5, 2015 at 7:59:37 pm

[Tim Wilson] "A question for the LA crowd in particular, is "non-union" a red flag for you? Again, I don't know, and I'm certainly not asking anything broad about unions. I'm just asking in the context of, do non-union jobs tend to pay this much less."

If non-union was a red flag for me I'd be in real trouble because I am not in the union. ;) For editing, I think pay has to do more with the show budget and genre than it does with union status. For example, Reality TV work is almost all nonunion and it can pay very, very well. Union jobs will have a higher pay floor, but both union and non-union jobs can pay well. From what I can tell the biggest benefit to union gigs are things like the health insurance and more regulated hours (i.e. no unpaid OT).


[Tim Wilson] " Is there any, or can we just summarize as "craigslist offers are miserable" and leave it at that?"

Pretty much this, though occasionally you do see decent jobs (usually because the employer is trying to cast as broad a net as possible).


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Gary Huff
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 5, 2015 at 10:56:32 pm

[Andrew Kimery] "Pretty much this, though occasionally you do see decent jobs (usually because the employer is trying to cast as broad a net as possible)."

Yeah, I've gotten both some really good gigs from Craigslist, as well as seeing those from people wanting a Red Dragon with a full Arri lighting package and sound gear for $150 a day.


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Gary Huff
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 6, 2015 at 11:21:02 pm

[Tim Wilson] "they come under extra scrutiny"

‎( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


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Andrew Kimery
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 11, 2015 at 6:17:24 am

Not to pull this thread back on topic, but I do feel for the position the Reading Rainbow people are in. Sure they raised nearly 5.5 million bucks on Kickstarter, but their goal is expand the RR experience from just a tablet app onto pretty much every device out there. Smart phones, smart TVs, set top boxes, web-based, game consoles, etc.,. that's a lot of platforms to develop for and support. They also want to make a RR program geared towards classrooms and offer it for free.

On one hand I feel like if this was a one-off gig, as opposed to a staff position, it wouldn't have been such a big deal. One person, who saw this ad posted on a FB group, said they'd be willing to help out pro bono because they believed in the cause so much.


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Gary Huff
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 11, 2015 at 5:36:25 pm

[Andrew Kimery] "One person, who saw this ad posted on a FB group, said they'd be willing to help out pro bono because they believed in the cause so much.
"


Pro bono full time?


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Andrew Kimery
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 11, 2015 at 5:58:20 pm

[Gary Huff] "Pro bono full time?"

The person on FB just said they'd be willing to help out pro bono and I assume after the contact RR they'll see what, if anything, can be worked out. I doubt they were offering full time pro bono indefinitely, but maybe they are independently wealthy and need a hobby?


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Gary Huff
Re: Raising 5.4M, Reading Rainbow wants a full-time FCPX editor for 25K/year
on May 12, 2015 at 3:09:03 am

[Andrew Kimery] "maybe they are independently wealthy and need a hobby?"

aka the future of video production!


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