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Jeremy Garchow
Re: How long before this becomes a $99 filter? ;)
on Aug 18, 2014 at 3:15:54 pm
Last Edited By Jeremy Garchow on Aug 18, 2014 at 5:36:25 pm

Place your bets:



https://vimeo.com/103425574


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Mark Suszko
Re: How long before this becomes a $99 filter?
on Aug 18, 2014 at 5:33:04 pm

The plug in cost won't be the issue: the cost of robotic arms moving the projectors around in realtime will be. Tech like this though,makes it easier as time goes by to map new actors' facial performances onto a stand-in's face. Fist, in post production alone, but not too long from now, live on stage, as "digital makeup".


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: How long before this becomes a $99 filter? ;)
on Aug 18, 2014 at 5:36:07 pm
Last Edited By Jeremy Garchow on Aug 18, 2014 at 5:53:05 pm

[Mark Suszko] "The plug in cost won't be the issue: the cost of robotic arms moving the projectors around in realtime will be. Tech like this though,makes it easier as time goes by to map new actors' facial performances onto a stand-in's face. Fist, in post production alone, but not too long from now, live on stage, as "digital makeup"."

The subject was, of course, a joke. I have now added a smiley face.


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Walter Soyka
Re: How long before this becomes a $99 filter?
on Aug 18, 2014 at 5:56:51 pm

[Mark Suszko] "The plug in cost won't be the issue: the cost of robotic arms moving the projectors around in realtime will be."

The projector is static. The content is dynamically manipulated to look correct from one camera/viewer's perspective when projected.

Walter Soyka
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Bob Woodhead
Re: How long before this becomes a $99 filter?
on Aug 18, 2014 at 6:09:50 pm

Unless the robots are moving the screens.....



BTW, I would REALLY like to wear projection mapping when I go out n' about.


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Walter Soyka
Re: How long before this becomes a $99 filter?
on Aug 18, 2014 at 6:30:54 pm

[Bob Woodhead] "Unless the robots are moving the screens....."

Fair... but are you suggesting the talent was a robot? This video just keeps getting cooler!

Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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Bob Woodhead
Re: How long before this becomes a $99 filter?
on Aug 18, 2014 at 6:34:37 pm

No, the video I linked had robots.

You can never have enough robots. I don't care what the Wachowski Bros. think. More robots, ma!


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Walter Soyka
Re: How long before this becomes a $99 filter?
on Aug 18, 2014 at 6:50:45 pm

[Bob Woodhead] "No, the video I linked had robots."

I know, I design a couple of projection mapping projects every year. I was attempting humor. I failed to append the smiley.

Box was a phenomenally cool project. I wish I had seen it live. Not just the technology, but really great art direction.

Have you seen the behind-the-scenes they did?







Walter Soyka
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Mark Suszko
Re: How long before this becomes a $99 filter?
on Aug 18, 2014 at 7:38:25 pm

"The projector is static. The content is dynamically manipulated to look correct from one camera/viewer's perspective when projected." -Walter

Yes, NOW it is.... in the future, though, I can imagine an overlay composited onto the live face in real time.


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Walter Soyka
Re: How long before this becomes a $99 filter?
on Aug 18, 2014 at 7:47:50 pm

[Mark Suszko] "Yes, NOW it is.... in the future, though, I can imagine an overlay composited onto the live face in real time."

The future is now, or very close to it.

I was just saying you can do it all by dynamically manipulating the content -- no need to move the projector for the illusion to work.

Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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Bob Woodhead
Re: How long before this becomes a $99 filter?
on Aug 18, 2014 at 10:50:16 pm

What primary app do you use for the mapping? How's the prepro time?


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Walter Soyka
Re: How long before this becomes a $99 filter?
on Aug 19, 2014 at 12:56:28 am

[Bob Woodhead] "What primary app do you use for the mapping?"

On the display side, we've worked with lighting and video companies using various different media servers -- mainly Pandora's Box, but a little bit of WATCHOUT, too. We've just started one that will run on D3.

On the content side, C4D and Ae.


[Bob Woodhead] "How's the prepro time?"

Like many other projects, preproduction is like a gas, and the calendar is the tank: a gas expands to fill the volume of its container, and if the container is too small, the gas is under immense heat and pressure!

The catch with projection mapping is that you generally need to work in full 3D instead of just 2D or 2.5D, and you need good lighting with great shadows to sell the illusion of depth, and you are generally working with very big rasters. This all leads to a huge increase in render times. We have a few big and beefy workstations ("sizzle core beasts" as my friend Jeremy would say -- we haven't heard that expression here in some time), as well as a little render garden (6 machines < "render farm")... but even on the shows with reasonable schedules, it's really the arrival of online render farms and cloud computing which puts these projects within reach for small shops like mine.

On tighter schedule shows, we try to cheat and do as little in 3D as necessary and as much in comp as possible, but it really depends on the creative requirements.

Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
@keenlive [twitter]   |   RenderBreak [blog]   |   Profile [LinkedIn]


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