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Morten Ranmar
EDL is dead... Long live XML!
on Apr 20, 2011 at 5:53:28 am

Seems like Apple is conforming the standards of editing.
Same thing they did with the disc drive, when the iMac was launched.
And by killing of DVD, and ignoring Blue Ray.

A new standard of multi layering will appear.
And all video software developers will support the idea.

BTW anybody interested in buying my old Betacam SP recorder?

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Walter Soyka
Re: EDL is dead... Long live XML!
on Apr 20, 2011 at 2:31:20 pm

It would be wonderful to see EDL (an almost-40-year-old technology) replaced with modern, open standards. This was the raison d'être for AAF, but it seems like FCP XML and QuickTime media has more traction in many segments of the industry at the moment.

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Mark Suszko
Re: EDL is dead... Long live XML!
on Apr 20, 2011 at 3:57:58 pm

I have not saved or exported an EDL since the Clinton administration, perhaps before that. It was back in our A/B roll days. But I can relate to the fact some folks still need to do that and to share the info. I always found the parts that EDL documents least well were invariably the hand-done live effect parts free-handed thru a switcher, that might need a re-edit down the road. The EDL was generally useless for this except to help round up the source tapes to feed it. Unless of course you used temporary work rolls:-) If XML can solve all that, more power to 'em.


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Chris Borjis
Re: EDL is dead... Long live XML!
on Apr 20, 2011 at 5:44:57 pm

I've not done an EDL for 6 years now.

Thats when we were offlining in Avid and conforming & onlining with Discreet *smoke.

Have not had a use for it since switching to FCP and only onlining.

But thats just me.



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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: EDL is dead... Long live XML!
on Apr 20, 2011 at 6:36:28 pm

am I mad or do red camera rushes represent themselves as virtual tapes in the metadata, with TC? does anyone know if say, FCP offline to scratch conforming R3D is an EDL affair?

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Chris Kenny
Re: EDL is dead... Long live XML!
on Apr 20, 2011 at 7:22:03 pm

[Aindreas Gallagher] "am I mad or do red camera rushes represent themselves as virtual tapes in the metadata, with TC? does anyone know if say, FCP offline to scratch conforming R3D is an EDL affair?"

It has been, but Assimilate just announced support for FCP XML files in Scratch. Resolve and Baselight also have support, or will soon. It seems like we're finally turning the corner with respect to the need for the ancient EDL format when moving edits to grading/finishing systems.

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Jeremy Garchow
Re: EDL is dead... Long live XML!
on Apr 20, 2011 at 8:11:39 pm

Woops, sorry Chris. I didn't refresh before posting.

What Chris said!

Jeremy


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: EDL is dead... Long live XML!
on Apr 20, 2011 at 8:08:32 pm

Resolve is EDL at the moment, but that will surely change. Almost everything that is color correction/online related is EDL, but maybe that will change.

Jeremy


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Joseph Owens
Re: EDL is dead... Long live XML!
on Apr 21, 2011 at 12:28:43 am

[Jeremy Garchow] "Resolve... that will surely change."

My read on this is that R8 (because it supports multi-layer sequences, would have to do things that way.

Its just a markup language for pete's sake.

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Jeremy Garchow
Re: EDL is dead... Long live XML!
on Apr 21, 2011 at 1:39:12 am

[Joseph Owens] "Its just a markup language for pete's sake."

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Sam Cole
Re: EDL is dead... Long live XML!
on Apr 21, 2011 at 3:20:25 am

International delivery specifications require an EDL with the masters.
No EDL means reject. If FCPX no longer supports EDL then we can't use FCPX to create international masters.
One step forward, two steps backward.

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Matthew Sonnenfeld
Re: EDL is dead... Long live XML!
on Apr 21, 2011 at 4:31:07 pm

[Sam Cole] "International delivery specifications require an EDL with the masters.
No EDL means reject. If FCPX no longer supports EDL then we can't use FCPX to create international masters."


This is very true. In all of my experience at broadcast networks we have used EDLs for both Footage and Stills Logs and Music Cues which have always been a requirement for every Production Bible we have ever created to be delivered with the masters. Without EDL, Final Cut Pro X cannot be used in a broadcast setting.

Will this change? Probably, but something's gotta give somewhere. Most networks that I've worked with will still require masters to be delivered on tape but this may be changing too. It's a mad world we live in today.

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Mark Raudonis
Re: EDL is dead... Long live XML!
on Apr 22, 2011 at 12:13:54 am

[Matthew Sonnenfeld] "Most networks that I've worked with will still require masters to be delivered on tape but this may be changing too"

Changing by the minute. The tragic events in Japan have caused the nets to reconsider their requirements.

Delivery requirements always lag a few years behind the technology. For that matter, so do budgets.
It takes awhile for the less technical minded (business affairs/accounting) to wake up to the fact that the world has changed and address those changes within the budgets/delivery requirements.

The larger the organization, the slower the change. But, change WILL happen eventually. Inevitably. Incrementally.

Mark



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Walter Soyka
Re: EDL is dead... Long live XML!
on Apr 22, 2011 at 1:04:24 am

[Matthew Sonnenfeld] "This is very true. In all of my experience at broadcast networks we have used EDLs for both Footage and Stills Logs and Music Cues which have always been a requirement for every Production Bible we have ever created to be delivered with the masters. Without EDL, Final Cut Pro X cannot be used in a broadcast setting."

Agreed that EDL is still a critical feature (and one that I still rely on), both for interoperability and delivery -- I just can't wait for it not to be. Interchange desperately needs an update.

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Tomislav Rupic
Re: EDL is dead... Long live XML!
on Apr 21, 2011 at 7:34:11 am

Resolve8 is supporting xml! I was so happy to read that news :)


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walter biscardi
Re: EDL is dead... Long live XML!
on Apr 22, 2011 at 12:18:17 am

As long as OMF and AAF are included, I really don't care much about EDL's.

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Erik Lindahl
Re: EDL is dead... Long live XML!
on Apr 23, 2011 at 2:50:41 pm

The only time we use EDL today is when sending offline-cuts to get graded (source tends to be film or RED). However, if Resolve retains solid XML-support this is a no -issue. In Sweden broadcast-masters have been filebased since 2007 I think and we havent ever had EDL-requirements here.

Solid OMF-support is however a must as all audio-editing is done in Protools.

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