FORUMS: list search recent posts

fyi FCP X and pricing

COW Forums : Apple Final Cut Pro X Debates

<< PREVIOUS   •   VIEW ALL   •   PRINT   •   NEXT >>
Craig Alan
fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 24, 2014 at 3:57:57 pm

From Apple education rep concerning yearly site licenses:

10.1 is not a new version. 10.1 is what we call a “dot” update i.e. 10.1, 10.2 etc. These are free. If we deployed a new version i.e. Final Cut 11, there would be a cost to the upgrade. If you continue to pay for the maintenance and there is a upgrade in the following year (not a dot update), then you would receive this new version at new cost. Please let me know if you have further questions or concerns.
---
I don't know about you but I thought X was the branded model like Mustang is for Ford.

I thought ".1" was an upgrade and 10.0.x were point upgrades. Otherwise what happened to FCP 8 and 9.

"For the first time, you can upgrade your Mac to the latest release of OS X for free.(Mavericks)"

OS X/FCP X. Apple brand models, no?

Combining Project library and Event library and this library no longer must be on root level is pretty major. Wasn't 10.1 announced as a "major upgrade" - promised long before its release?

Add to this our school system was refunded yearly OS X collection (pro rated) when Mavericks/ilife upgrades were announced for free, since what was the yearly subscription for exactly?

If the above is correct, I suspect that Apple is transitioning into a subscription model.

Mac Pro, macbook pro, Imacs (i7); Canon 5D Mark III/70D, Panasonic AG-HPX170/AG-HPX250P, Canon HV40, Sony Z7U/VX2000/PD170; FCP 6 certified; FCP X write professionally for a variety of media; teach video production in L.A.


Return to posts index

David Mathis
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 24, 2014 at 4:29:41 pm

Late last year Apple made an announcement about a new version of Final Cut Pro X, my understanding from that statement is that 10.1 is a new version. I agree that this might not be true, at least in the traditional sense of a new version. I doubt very seriously that Apple is heading to a subscription model. Then again, after seeing the stunt Adobe pulled anything is possible. That is just my two cents.


Return to posts index

Charlie Austin
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 24, 2014 at 5:05:44 pm

[Craig Alan] "If the above is correct, I suspect that Apple is transitioning into a subscription model."

Really? It seems to me that they're transitioning to a "buy it once and all updates are free unless we release an entirely new app" model. :-)

-------------------------------------------------------------

~ My FCPX Babbling blog ~
~"It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools."~
~"The function you just attempted is not yet implemented"~


Return to posts index


Ronny Courtens
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 24, 2014 at 5:25:22 pm

I'm with Charlie.

People have always misinterpreted the" X". OSX is in fact OS10, just like the operating system that came before OS10 was called OS9.

OSX = OS10
Mountain Lion = OS10.8
Mavericks = OS10.9

The same applies to FCP:
FCPX = FCP10
At this time we are at FCP10.1.1

10.1 involved an important change with regard to media management, but fundamentally it was a smaller update than, say, .03 or .06. So I certainly would not call this a new version.

As the FCP10 updates seem to be coming in small increments we are still far away from the next new version, which would be FCP11. So IMO FCPX updates will remain free for quite awhile.

- Ronny


Return to posts index

Joseph Owens
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 24, 2014 at 5:30:02 pm

I'm fine with all of this, especially if Apple starts insisting on using Bitcoin as a universal medium of value exchange.

WHAT!!!! You aren't already using this new paradigm? Dinosaur!!!!. The "gold-less" database management
foundation makes going broke so much faster, I feel like democratization is complete.

jPo

"I always pass on free advice -- its never of any use to me" Oscar Wilde.


Return to posts index

Charlie Austin
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 24, 2014 at 5:31:32 pm

[Joseph Owens] "The "gold-less" database management
foundation makes going broke so much faster, I feel like democratization is complete."


:-)

-------------------------------------------------------------

~ My FCPX Babbling blog ~
~"It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools."~
~"The function you just attempted is not yet implemented"~


Return to posts index


Bret Williams
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 24, 2014 at 5:36:37 pm

However OSX 10.3 was paid. 10.4 was paid. 10.5 was paid, etc. Since the X is not only a number is is also a brand, I was under the impression that it would always be called FCP X or OSX or (now) Logic X, etc. until there is a major major change to the entire concept of the operating system. (likely the merge of iOS and desktop years down the road) OSX 10.9 is really OS 19 if you keep track in the way they did pre X. And by that reasoning FCP X 10.1 is actually FCP 11. But they skipped 8 and 9 because X is NOT really a version number any longer, but an actual application brand. Just like the OS.


Return to posts index

Charlie Austin
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 24, 2014 at 5:42:58 pm

[Bret Williams] "But they skipped 8 and 9 because X is NOT really a version number any longer, but an actual application brand. "

Actually, it's not. When I was working on a blog post a while ago I was using FCPX as an acronym. I received a little note from someone at Apple which said:

- please say FCP X not FCPX — I know it looks cooler as a block of text, but version numbers never get combined with the acronym for the product name.

For what it's worth...

-------------------------------------------------------------

~ My FCPX Babbling blog ~
~"It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools."~
~"The function you just attempted is not yet implemented"~


Return to posts index

Craig Alan
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 24, 2014 at 8:46:54 pm

That was my point.

Mac Pro, macbook pro, Imacs (i7); Canon 5D Mark III/70D, Panasonic AG-HPX170/AG-HPX250P, Canon HV40, Sony Z7U/VX2000/PD170; FCP 6 certified; FCP X write professionally for a variety of media; teach video production in L.A.


Return to posts index


David Mathis
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 24, 2014 at 5:42:38 pm

[Charlie Austin] "Really? It seems to me that they're transitioning to a "buy it once and all updates are free unless we release an entirely new app" model. :-)"

That model I like. Now if we could only convince someone else to follow this road.


Return to posts index

James Cude
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 24, 2014 at 6:27:29 pm

FCPX is definitely not transitioning to a subscription model.


Return to posts index

Charlie Austin
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 24, 2014 at 6:28:26 pm

[James Cude] "FCPX is definitely not transitioning to a subscription model."

That should read FCP X. lol

-------------------------------------------------------------

~ My FCPX Babbling blog ~
~"It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools."~
~"The function you just attempted is not yet implemented"~


Return to posts index


Jeremy Garchow
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 25, 2014 at 2:32:24 am

FCPx


Return to posts index

Bill Davis
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 26, 2014 at 6:36:36 pm

I was downloading my certification docs from the Apple website and stumbled across the Apple FCP-X branding bible.

Formally, it's FCP X

(space between the P and the X)

The document did NOT address whether FCP Legacy, FCP Legend or FCP Deceased is the proper current term for the previous program. ; )

Know someone who teaches video editing in elementary school, high school or college? Tell them to check out http://www.StartEditingNow.com - video editing curriculum complete with licensed practice content.


Return to posts index

Charlie Austin
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 26, 2014 at 6:38:54 pm

[Bill Davis] "Formally, it's FCP X"

Old news Bill...

http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/335/67309#67321

lol :-)

-------------------------------------------------------------

~ My FCPX Babbling blog ~
~"It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools."~
~"The function you just attempted is not yet implemented"~


Return to posts index


Clint Wardlow
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 24, 2014 at 6:32:09 pm

[Craig Alan] "If the above is correct, I suspect that Apple is transitioning into a subscription model."

It is just my opinion, but I don't see Apple moving to subscription, mainly because they don't have to.

Software is ancillary to Apple. Hardware is what they do and where they make money. Apple created software is mainly just to aid in the sales of this hardware. And I Bet they are more than willing to maintain a low profit margin in software sales and development as long as it boosts imac, macmini, macbook, and macpro sales.

For Adobe, on the other hand, software is their bread and butter. The maturity of many of their best-selling apps did hurt their bottom line. Folks just weren't keeping up with all the updates. Subscription guarantees a steady cash flow.

Subscription for apple could hurt their bottom line if it adversely affects hardware sales. So I could be wrong here, but I don't really see Apple embracing that model.


Return to posts index

David Mathis
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 24, 2014 at 6:44:51 pm

[Clint Wardlow] "
For Adobe, on the other hand, software is their bread and butter. The maturity of many of their best-selling apps did hurt their bottom line. Folks just weren't keeping up with all the updates. Subscription guarantees a steady cash flow."


I agree with that statement. Over the short term, I have no issue with subscribing. Long term, there is no real incentive.


Return to posts index

Bill Davis
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 24, 2014 at 7:24:07 pm

[Clint Wardlow] "Software is ancillary to Apple. Hardware is what they do and where they make money. Apple created software is mainly just to aid in the sales of this hardware. And I Bet they are more than willing to maintain a low profit margin in software sales and development as long as it boosts imac, macmini, macbook, and macpro sales."

I understand this opinion, but I think it shortchanges the reality of how software and hardware interconnect in a company the size of Apple.

Having robust and healthy software resources in house does far more than just provide a driver for hardware sales - it maintains institutional expertise in the code that enables the hardware to do ANYTHING.

Imagine for a second that Apple someday releases the long expected Apple TV. And in it's early days of release, there turns out to be some minor, but annoying glitch in how it interconnects with a class of external gear.

If you're a hardware ONLY company, you have to go out and source (likely on an emergency basis) coding talent and ramp up an effort to identify and fix the problem.

If, on the other hand, you're a company that has robust software expertise in house - somebody simply contacts the software team and assigns the staff assets necessary to diagnose and fix the problem.

For all the talk about how Apple is a hardware firm that gives short shrift to software, the history of their biggest successes - from iTunes to the iPhone to yes, FCP-X - is one of working exceptionally hard to do the best work they can in BOTH realms.

The real core of the Apple brand has never been that they do ONE things really well. But that they bring as much excellence as they can drive into the entire ecosystem of what they produce.

FWIW

Know someone who teaches video editing in elementary school, high school or college? Tell them to check out http://www.StartEditingNow.com - video editing curriculum complete with licensed practice content.


Return to posts index

Clint Wardlow
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 24, 2014 at 7:38:45 pm
Last Edited By Clint Wardlow on Mar 24, 2014 at 7:58:54 pm

[Bill Davis] "For all the talk about how Apple is a hardware firm that gives short shrift to software, the history of their biggest successes - from iTunes to the iPhone to yes, FCP-X - is one of working exceptionally hard to do the best work they can in BOTH realms."

I wasn't saying Apple necessarily gives the "short shrift" to its software. I was mainly bringing up the hardware point as reason why I don't think Apple will move over to a subscription model. Because it doesn't have to. Hardware is what brings in the majority of its cash. In a way this could work to the advantage of software development because said software does not have to meet the profit margin of a software-only company. It is subsidized by hardware sales. In a way it gives software developers more freedom in taking big risky steps.

I am curious, Bill. Do you think Apple would have handed Final Cut such a massive overhaul and change for FCP X if that software was its main source of income?


Return to posts index

Bill Davis
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 24, 2014 at 11:01:16 pm

[Clint Wardlow] "I am curious, Bill. Do you think Apple would have handed Final Cut such a massive overhaul and change for FCP X if that software was its main source of income?"

Yep.

If you wanted to recruit from the worlds BEST talent - which pitch would you want to make.

"you'll be part of a team maintaining and incrementally improving a code base that's been successful for many years..."

OR

"you'll have a chance to invent and implement brand new concepts - driving new capabilities that the industry has never before seen?"

Plenty of coders will apply for both gigs.

But I suspect the best of the best will hope like heck they can get a slot on the latter team.

FWIW

Know someone who teaches video editing in elementary school, high school or college? Tell them to check out http://www.StartEditingNow.com - video editing curriculum complete with licensed practice content.


Return to posts index

Aindreas Gallagher
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 25, 2014 at 1:13:12 am

[Bill Davis] "Yep.

If you wanted to recruit from the worlds BEST talent - which pitch would you want to make. "


bill, for the entirety of pro-apps, including FCPX, compressor, motion and logic, via philip hodgetts literally shouting it at last years pre-nab:
there are twenty guys.

it's not an exclusive waiting list. It's a vestigial dead end in apple.

It actually took them a year to make a library container. An entire year.

[Bill Davis] " driving new capabilities that the industry has never before seen?""

that's all done. there is no more new FCPX. It's Pages now. What you've got here is exactly what you are ever going to get.

pray they don't lobotomise the deal further.

http://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics


Return to posts index

Marcus Moore
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 25, 2014 at 4:20:39 am
Last Edited By Marcus Moore on Mar 25, 2014 at 4:34:17 am

I don't think you're remembering what Philip said correctly.

EDIT. After doing a search- we had this exact same back and forth last year, Aindreas. The 20 number was NOT for all pro apps. JUST Final Cut Pro.

Here's the link to the thread from last year-

http://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/52467


Return to posts index

Aindreas Gallagher
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 26, 2014 at 8:53:10 pm

oh that's bad. that was the exact same conversation. oh dear.

http://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics


Return to posts index

Steve Connor
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 25, 2014 at 7:40:32 am

[Aindreas Gallagher] "It actually took them a year to make a library container. An entire year.

[Bill Davis] " driving new capabilities that the industry has never before seen?""

that's all done. there is no more new FCPX. It's Pages now. What you've got here is exactly what you are ever going to get.

pray they don't lobotomise the deal further."


"yawn"

Steve Connor

There's nothing we can't argue about on the FCPX COW Forum


Return to posts index

Mehak Kiwistech
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 25, 2014 at 7:58:21 am

haha, seriously i can not argue about FCP X.


Return to posts index

Bill Davis
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 25, 2014 at 11:17:43 pm

Meh,

the whole discussion can be reduced down to one concept.

If it takes one woman 9 months to have a baby - how long will it take six women?

There are things where large teams matter - and there are things where tossing a dozen people at a problem will generally just make everything more difficult and confusing and frustrating.

I can see the point of wanting lots of smart brains around the table when you're deciding what features you want to implement - so long as there's LEADERSHIP so the team doesn't pursue 8 directions at once.

Then after the discussion point - some INDIVIDUAL is going to have to write the code to DO what the team has decided. Now they may well collaborate with others, bounce ideas off others, and even revise and re-code on the advice of others - and the head of the coding team might have better ways to optimize the code and spruce it up - that makes lots of sense - but it's NEVER going to work that if you have 10 coders working on a project and you add 10 more - you get the code written twice as fast.

And only a knucklehead thinks like that, IMO.

Know someone who teaches video editing in elementary school, high school or college? Tell them to check out http://www.StartEditingNow.com - video editing curriculum complete with licensed practice content.


Return to posts index

Charlie Austin
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 25, 2014 at 11:21:45 pm

[Bill Davis] "And only a knucklehead thinks like that, IMO."

What are talking about?!? As an editor, I've always found that when more people are involved in the process, the more efficient it is! ;-)

-------------------------------------------------------------

~ My FCPX Babbling blog ~
~"It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools."~
~"The function you just attempted is not yet implemented"~


Return to posts index

Bill Davis
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 26, 2014 at 1:13:53 am

[Charlie Austin] "What are talking about?!? As an editor, I've always found that when more people are involved in the process, the more efficient it is! ;-)"

Of course. Just as we all know that things only get REALLY efficient if the group also has access to the opinions of the spouse of the highest ranking decision maker in the room.

You want some top notch decision making - you NEED to have the husband or wife of the person who actually knows something about the topic at hand to toss in their two cents.

This provides a nice infinitesimal size sample consisting entirely of someone who has EXACTLY the same lifestyle as the principal contributing the notes - yet far, FAR less actual knowledge - and is therefore exactly the type of independent "perspective" that leads to planetary class decision making.

Know someone who teaches video editing in elementary school, high school or college? Tell them to check out http://www.StartEditingNow.com - video editing curriculum complete with licensed practice content.


Return to posts index

Marcus Moore
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 26, 2014 at 1:32:18 pm

It does make me curious about the makeup of the FCPX dev team.

10.1 was certainly a bit of a restart, changing some very low level ideas around the file structure. If they decided that the new Library structure had to take priority above anything else (you have to do the foundation repair before you renovate that kitchen or add that den), then how many of those 20 people were involved in those code changes? How many of those people are UI designers, audio specialists, etc.. What were they doing during the last year? Did their work need to be held back until those Library changes got out the door in 10.1?

While Apple has updated FCPX the week before NAB for the last 2 years, neither of those updates (10.0.4 and 10.0.8) have been "feature" releases. So we'll see what happens with 10.1.2- of course, I'm hoping for another feature update.


Return to posts index

Jeremy Garchow
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 26, 2014 at 1:50:36 pm
Last Edited By Jeremy Garchow on Mar 26, 2014 at 1:55:57 pm

[Marcus Moore] "10.1 was certainly a bit of a restart, changing some very low level ideas around the file structure."

But this structure, while having unique differences, borrows parallel structure, naming, and ideas with pieces from just about every other media based program in osx.

Aperture, iPhoto, iMovie, iTunes, etc, as well as the "Share" moniker that is tossed around from mail to safari to nearly all of osx (which came before fcpx).

I do think the dynamiting of fcs3 is to make FCP look and feel more Apple like as a compliment to osx, as well as fit in to the Apple distribution system, and this is the path they chose to take, or maybe it's the path devs had to take In the given timeline.

I am hoping for feature updates in the NAB Supermeet Hostile Takeover Anniversary Edition v10.1.2 as well. I have a good feeling as major part of Apple hardware transition is now well underway.


Return to posts index

Marcus Moore
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 26, 2014 at 2:01:13 pm

[Jeremy Garchow] "I am hoping for feature updates in the NAB Supermeet Hostile Takeover Anniversary Edition v10.1.2 as well. I have a good feeling as major part of Apple hardware transition is now well underway."

While I would love them to, I doubt we'll see Apple back at the Supermeet. I don't think the organizers would agree to those conditions again; and Apple isn't seemingly willing to share the stage, so it's an impasse.

I'm feeling pretty good about the possibility of a feature update with NAB in a couple weeks. I'm going to guess either April 1st or 8th if the pattern of Tuesday releases still holds. I'd also love Phiip Hodgetts to get some updated numbers from them on adoption/sales for X. Something we haven't had a data point on since NAB 2012.


Return to posts index

Jeremy Garchow
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 26, 2014 at 3:31:52 pm

[Marcus Moore] "While I would love them to, I doubt we'll see Apple back at the Supermeet. I don't think the organizers would agree to those conditions again; and Apple isn't seemingly willing to share the stage, so it's an impasse."

Oh no, I wouldn't expect them either as they will be hiding in the gallows as Apple does at NAB. That still doesn't take away that this next release will be coined the Hostile Take Over Anniversary Edition, at least by me.

;)

Jeremy


Return to posts index

Marcus Moore
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 26, 2014 at 3:36:02 pm

3 year anniversary. What is that? Tin foil? ;)


Return to posts index

Bill Davis
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 26, 2014 at 6:31:02 pm

[Marcus Moore] "3 year anniversary. What is that? Tin foil? ;)"

Organ meats.

; )

On the broader topics - Apple - and more specifically FCP-X is starting to show up with a pretty significant series of NAB touch points for 2014.

There's the FCPWorks Monday evening thing at which one of the Apple video guys will be featured..

And on Tuesday at the Supermeet Ripple Training - (Steve Martin and Mark Spencer) have signed on as a formal Gold level sponsor -which gives them stage time right along with Adobe, Black Magic, et al.

So while Apple continues their policy of not "formally" doing NAB - it's not like there won't be opportunities fort X devotees to make valuable connections and work the show.

Know someone who teaches video editing in elementary school, high school or college? Tell them to check out http://www.StartEditingNow.com - video editing curriculum complete with licensed practice content.


Return to posts index

Marcus Moore
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 26, 2014 at 6:51:00 pm

Lots of good stuff. Very disappointed to not be going this year. But a $1800 drive failure ate my NAB money.


Return to posts index

Jeremy Garchow
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 26, 2014 at 8:43:39 pm

[Marcus Moore] "But a $1800 drive failure ate my NAB money."

Is that what the kids are saying now-a-days?

No more of the dog eating the homework?


Return to posts index

Andrew Kimery
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 25, 2014 at 12:18:03 am

[Clint Wardlow] "Hardware is what brings in the majority of its cash. In a way this could work to the advantage of software development because said software does not have to meet the profit margin of a software-only company. It is subsidized by hardware sales. In a way it gives software developers more freedom in taking big risky steps."

I agree with you Clint. Apple, as far as revenue is concerned, is a hardware company. Their software and services are designed to make their computers and iDevices more appealing to customers. For example, they are more than happy to let people run Windows on a Mac but heaven forbid you want to run OS X on non-Apple hardware. iTunes and Safari didn't become available for Windows users until the iPod went cross platform and the release of the iPhone, respectively (Safari used to be required for testing early iOS apps).


Return to posts index

Scott Witthaus
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 25, 2014 at 10:41:42 am
Last Edited By Scott Witthaus on Mar 25, 2014 at 12:48:37 pm

[Clint Wardlow] "k Apple would have handed Final Cut such a massive overhaul and change for FCP X if that software was its main source of income?"

Probably not. Before Avid became a server and "surface" company, they were stuck in what they could do with Media Composer. Big changes are something the user-base loathes, so everything Avid did was incremental. I was on the beta of MC when the Smart Tool was introduced. You would have thought the sky had fallen. Howls of "why are you making MC like FCP!". That's why when Oliver posted a while back about bringing FCPx features into Media Composer, I chuckled. Oh the howls.... Hell, I think Avid used a focus-group to decide whether to change the little weight-lifter icon in the UI. They can't move too fast (which is great for their core niche) and that's why the image of the company has become "old and slow". it wasn't too long ago they were the brash upstart pissing off linear gear providers. Times change.


Return to posts index

Mitch Ives
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 24, 2014 at 8:42:55 pm

[Bill Davis] "The real core of the Apple brand has never been that they do ONE things really well. But that they bring as much excellence as they can drive into the entire ecosystem of what they produce."

Well said Bill... to plagiarize someone else "the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts"...

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

"Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things." - Winston Churchill


Return to posts index

Marcus Moore
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 25, 2014 at 2:20:26 am

It had certainly been my contention that like OSX, FCP "X" was the brand under which the decade of Final Cut Pro development would happen. The open question for the last year had very much been whether 10.1 would be a paid upgrade or not. And while 10.1 itself was not as massive an update as many had figured, all the features added from 10.0.1 to 10.1 arguably supersede any single Legacy update. Adobe has likewise dropped the "one massive update a year" model, since they no longer need to drive upgrades with subscribers- perhaps Apple sees it the same way.

With 10.1 being free, and if we take the OP's quote from the Apple rep at face value, then conceivably 10.1.2 thru 10.9.9 could be free to anyone who purchases X. As others have mentioned, Apple's "subscription" is it's hardware- on which it makes the best margins in the industry, and thru which it can keep users in it's ecosystem (and more prone to buy iPads, iPhones, etc...) In the near term, I don't see Apple giving away FCP X like they do iLife and iWork apps, but keeping the price the most competitive of the big 3.

Of course, they could stop at any point along the way, say 10.3.4 in a couple years, and release FCP XI as a paid update.

But I think we have a good few years on the FCPX gravy train before that, I think.


Return to posts index

David Mathis
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 25, 2014 at 6:03:08 pm

[Marcus Moore] " Adobe has likewise dropped the "one massive update a year" model, since they no longer need to drive upgrades with subscribers- perhaps Apple sees it the same way."

Short term I have no issue subscribing to Adobe but over the long term is different. What incentive is there for me to pay a monthly or annual subscription fee? None that I can see, at least long term. I would like the option of a permanent license after a set time. Adobe does not offer that. No exit strategy means I am not interested. Still, they do offer CS6, but at a higher premium. I think Adobe should have dropped the price on the CS model, then perhaps more people would be willing to update every year. The cost of admission was too high, and still is that way. Just my two cents, for what it is worth.

I find Final Cut Pro X to have better value. Yes, there is room for improvement but it is becoming something I love to use.


Return to posts index

Marcus Moore
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 25, 2014 at 6:09:40 pm

I also struggle to find the value in my CC subscription. I use X and not Premier. I use Motion, and hardly ever AE anymore. So I'm basically paying $50/mo for Photoshop, Illustrator, and Acrobat.

Whenever Adobe contacts me I tell them I believe they need to be offering more varied pricing structures than $19.99 for one app or $49.99 for everything. If they don't, I'll be keeping my eyes very keenly on up and comers like Acorn or Pixelmator to satisfy my fairly conservative needs.


Return to posts index

Charlie Austin
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 25, 2014 at 6:15:26 pm

[Marcus Moore] "keeping my eyes very keenly on up and comers like Acorn or Pixelmator to satisfy my fairly conservative needs."

Off topic, but I gotta say, Pixelmator is really quite awesome...

-------------------------------------------------------------

~ My FCPX Babbling blog ~
~"It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools."~
~"The function you just attempted is not yet implemented"~


Return to posts index

Marcus Moore
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 25, 2014 at 6:17:05 pm

I've owned Pixelmator for a while- got it during a sale price. I should really try to commit myself to doing some work in it. But can you bring in layered Pixelmator documents into FCPX and Motion?


Return to posts index

Charlie Austin
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 25, 2014 at 6:24:15 pm

[Marcus Moore] "But can you bring in layered Pixelmator documents into FCPX and Motion?"

Just tried it, I guess not. I'm gonna email the PXM and FCP folks now. :-)

-------------------------------------------------------------

~ My FCPX Babbling blog ~
~"It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools."~
~"The function you just attempted is not yet implemented"~


Return to posts index

Marcus Moore
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 25, 2014 at 6:26:34 pm

Pixelmator is regularly featured on the appStore, and was one of the apps on the MacPro test page.

I'd like to see X get support for one of these alternatives. Keep Adobe support definitely, but a non-subscription option would be great too.


Return to posts index

Bret Williams
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 25, 2014 at 6:43:16 pm

Pixelmator rocks. You can save layered ps files. Not sure why they wouldn't work in X. I haven't tried.

As for Illustrator, I think for most things Inkscape seems to be coming along. It's free. I just use Illustrator to open, convert, and make simple shapes so it'll probably do for my needs. I'm going to cut the Adobe cord in a few months when my contract is up and see how it goes. I can always send them a monthly subscription if I'm in a jam. I also own the CS5 master collection. Probably enough for PS and Illustrator. But AE has progressed a bit too far to go back to that. I'm gonna try to do more motion.


Return to posts index

Charlie Austin
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 25, 2014 at 6:50:31 pm

[Bret Williams] "Pixelmator rocks. You can save layered ps files. Not sure why they wouldn't work in X. I haven't tried."

Just tried, it works. :-) I wonder if there's a difference? do psd text lakers show up as editable text, or just comps? (they're comps lxm files saved as psd)

[Bret Williams] "As for Illustrator, I think for most things Inkscape seems to be coming along. It's free. I just use Illustrator to open, convert, and make simple shapes so it'll probably do for my needs. "

Actually, Pixelmator's Vectormator mode is really nice (CMD-SHFT-V) I'm fairly clueless using it (or Illustrator for that matter) but it seems to work well...

-------------------------------------------------------------

~ My FCPX Babbling blog ~
~"It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools."~
~"The function you just attempted is not yet implemented"~


Return to posts index

Bret Williams
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 25, 2014 at 6:57:20 pm

I think a lot of things get rasterized or ignored between the two apps. But still, for the most part layered PSD works. I don't know about the vector mode, but it needs to open and save illustrator to be a replacement for me.


Return to posts index

Robert Gilman
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 25, 2014 at 7:50:56 pm

I'm finding iDraw to be a great alternative to Illustrator. Opens .ai files and saves vector PDFs and SVG.


Return to posts index

David Mathis
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 25, 2014 at 7:01:42 pm

I do like Motion, really solid piece of software for the price. There are times After Effects is a better tool. Expressions and the ability to use Trapcode Particular inside After Effect is nice. For more basic work, no doubt Motion is a better choice. Photoshop is great for doing layout of graphics to bring into AE or Motion, might look at getting the CS6 version, with Photoshop at least. If, for some reason, Black Magic acquires After Effects, that would be awesome! I can do without Premiere Pro, it is nice but to be honest I think FCP X is better. Really beginning to like it.


Return to posts index

Ben Scott
Re: fyi FCP X and pricing
on Mar 28, 2014 at 6:23:36 pm

if you are looking for illustrator alternative
look at
http://www.bohemiancoding.com/sketch/
its really really good


Return to posts index

<< PREVIOUS   •   VIEW ALL   •   PRINT   •   NEXT >>
© 2017 CreativeCOW.net All Rights Reserved
[TOP]