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Juan Morales
"I have no title for this" video pulled?
on Jun 27, 2011 at 8:53:40 pm

For some reason the "I have no title for this" video has been pulled, as all his other vids on Vimeo.


http://vimeo.com/jefferyharrell

Hmm...


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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: "I have no title for this" video pulled?
on Jun 27, 2011 at 8:55:57 pm

A mighty beast steps across the landscape, and its name is Apple PR.


http://www.ogallchoir.net
promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics


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Colin McFadden
Re: "I have no title for this" video pulled?
on Jun 27, 2011 at 9:24:10 pm

... or maybe he didn't have rights to the copyrighted music he used?



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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: "I have no title for this" video pulled?
on Jun 27, 2011 at 10:13:59 pm

wellll, maybe that too. I do prefer blaming the darks arts of apple PR on an emotional level..


http://www.ogallchoir.net
promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics


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David Lawrence
Re: "I have no title for this" video pulled?
on Jun 27, 2011 at 9:24:31 pm

Wow, that video was brilliant. Sounds like someone's getting a little hot under the collar.



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Joe Moya
Re: "I have no title for this" video pulled?
on Jun 27, 2011 at 11:01:27 pm

Apple's PR needs to go look up PR 101 rules...

...never censor critism... it will only make the situtaion worse.

FCPX backlash just keep getting worse... IMHO.


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Tom Wolsky
Re: "I have no title for this" video pulled?
on Jun 27, 2011 at 9:24:58 pm

The video had admitted copyright issues, including video of Steve Jobs.

All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP7," "Basic Training for FCS" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"


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Mike Chedwick
Re: "I have no title for this" video pulled?
on Jun 27, 2011 at 10:19:36 pm

Satire and Parody usually are not infringements on copyright.


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Joe Moya
Re: "I have no title for this" video pulled?
on Jun 27, 2011 at 10:40:40 pm

Exactly


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Gary Pollard
Re: "I have no title for this" video pulled?
on Jun 27, 2011 at 11:47:07 pm

I used some Bob Dylan music in a satire/parody. YouTube pulled it within seconds.


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David Roth Weiss
Re: "I have no title for this" video pulled?
on Jun 27, 2011 at 11:59:19 pm

[Gary Pollard] "I used some Bob Dylan music in a satire/parody. YouTube pulled it within seconds."

Understandable! However, if you had deep pockets, and your lawyer threatened Youtube on the grounds that you had created a parody of the song itself, and you were the one going to sue them, it might be a different matter.


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David Roth Weiss
Re: "I have no title for this" video pulled?
on Jun 27, 2011 at 10:31:24 pm

[Tom Wolsky] "The video had admitted copyright issues, including video of Steve Jobs."

That one may have actually been legit under the fair use doctrine - it certainly can be considered as commentary and/or criticism.

Wikipedia defines examples of legitimate fair use as follows:

Examples of fair use include commentary, criticism, news reporting, research, teaching, library archiving and scholarship. It provides for the legal, non-licensed citation or incorporation of copyrighted material in another author's work under a four-factor balancing test.


David Roth Weiss
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David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
http://www.drwfilms.com

Don't miss my new tutorial: Prepare for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
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Tom Wolsky
Re: "I have no title for this" video pulled?
on Jun 27, 2011 at 10:48:23 pm

The commentary or criticism was not of the music, so it's not fair use. The purpose of fair use for criticism is so you can comment on an author or copyright work, quote a passage, make reference to it, comment on it. That's not the case with this use of the music. That said, it was a very nice piece of work by Jeff.

All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP7," "Basic Training for FCS" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"


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David Roth Weiss
Re: "I have no title for this" video pulled?
on Jun 27, 2011 at 11:05:35 pm

[Tom Wolsky] "The commentary or criticism was not of the music, so it's not fair use. "

I thought about that too Tom, and there is an argument the artist is also making a social commentary about the song as well, which is a sign of the times, and thus most likely fair game in a piece designed to reflect and comment on the FCP X fiasco as just one more example of current trends that the artist believes may also be the core message of the song.

In any case, should he or his his lawyer need an argument to support their position, they now one... They can quote me if they wish, so long as they get the spelling of my name correct and give the Creative Cow credit as well.


David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
http://www.drwfilms.com

Don't miss my new tutorial: Prepare for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
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Tom Wolsky
Re: "I have no title for this" video pulled?
on Jun 27, 2011 at 11:15:59 pm

And this is how lawyers get rich, and you and I are just working stiffs.

All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs "Complete Training for FCP7," "Basic Training for FCS" and "Final Cut Express Made Easy"
Author: "Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials" and "Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop"


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David Roth Weiss
Re: "I have no title for this" video pulled?
on Jun 28, 2011 at 12:56:03 am

[Tom Wolsky] "this is how lawyers get rich, and you and I are just working stiffs."

Ten-four on that good buddy, I read you loud and clear.


David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
http://www.drwfilms.com

Don't miss my new tutorial: Prepare for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
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Joe Moya
Re: "I have no title for this" video pulled?
on Jun 27, 2011 at 11:19:11 pm

There is legality and then there is common sense... seldom do the two merge...

I don't see a lot of common sense being used by Apple in this situation.


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Jamie Franklin
Re: "I have no title for this" video pulled?
on Jun 27, 2011 at 9:24:47 pm

Yeah, rights issue. It was blatant copyright infringement. I got a nice letter from Vimeo's rights people. ~ one of Jeffrey's tweets


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Mike Chedwick
Re: "I have no title for this" video pulled?
on Jun 27, 2011 at 9:25:01 pm

Apple and Vimeo have a Biz relationship now... as seen in the Share to Vimeo cmd in X. You have to an account and enter your Vimeo pasword in FCP X. Apple says "jump" Vimeo says "How high".


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Jamie Franklin
Re: "I have no title for this" video pulled?
on Jun 27, 2011 at 9:27:42 pm

On youtube :)







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Andrew Corneles
Re: "I have no title for this" video pulled?
on Jun 27, 2011 at 10:08:54 pm

couldnt it be fair use?

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.html

just wondering...


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Mike Chedwick
Re: "I have no title for this" video pulled?
on Jun 27, 2011 at 10:16:11 pm

"Fair use"??? There's no "Fair Use" in the Cupertino Universe!


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Nathan Adam
Re: "I have no title for this" video pulled?
on Jun 27, 2011 at 10:27:52 pm

This was my *exact* experience on that fateful morning. Exact.


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Joe Moya
Re: "I have no title for this" video pulled?
on Jun 27, 2011 at 10:38:28 pm

ya know what I dislike more than just dumb marketing mistakes...

- Censorship

The cc issue is pretty weak...


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