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Steve Connor
Something Professional edited in FCPX
on Jan 20, 2014 at 8:48:31 pm

http://www.televisual.com/news-detail/Elbow-promo-shot-on-Pocket-Cinema-Cam...

Steve Connor

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Simon Ubsdell
Re: Something Professional edited in FCPX
on Jan 20, 2014 at 9:28:47 pm

"The promo was cut on Apple FCP X and graded on Adobe SpeedGrade."

That's just weird.

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TImothy Auld
Re: Something Professional edited in FCPX
on Jan 20, 2014 at 9:42:59 pm

I just want someone who is dealing with more than 16 audio tracks to tell me honestly, is this really viable? Jeez?! what the Hell do you do? Explicitly?

Tim


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Simon Ubsdell
Re: Something Professional edited in FCPX
on Jan 20, 2014 at 10:11:06 pm

[TImothy Auld] "I just want someone who is dealing with more than 16 audio tracks to tell me honestly, is this really viable? "

Ironically, a lot of feature film edits will often top out at 16 tracks of audio in my experience - but somehow they are the benchmark for professional editing!

It's a funny old world.

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Shane Ross
Re: Something Professional edited in FCPX
on Jan 20, 2014 at 11:05:37 pm

16 TEMP tracks. Holdout from Avid days where that was the max. in FCP I typcially had 16-32 tracks, and have had 24 tracks in Avid as of late. Our temp mixes need to be pretty elaborate.

But total number of audio tracks in a feature mix...done in ProTools typcially...top 100 tracks. But on project where I have no audio mix, it's just me...I go up to 32 tracks of audio.

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Simon Ubsdell
Re: Something Professional edited in FCPX
on Jan 20, 2014 at 11:13:15 pm

[Shane Ross] "16 TEMP tracks."

Indeed, this is what I meant. And as you say, very old Media Composer holdover. Amazing how many film editors still stick with this format for the day to day business of getting the cut into shape.

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Charlie Austin
Re: Something Professional edited in FCPX
on Jan 21, 2014 at 12:13:07 am
Last Edited By Charlie Austin on Jan 21, 2014 at 12:21:15 am

[TImothy Auld] "I just want someone who is dealing with more than 16 audio tracks to tell me honestly, is this really viable? Jeez?! what the Hell do you do? Explicitly?"

I deal with more than 16 tracks in X every day. No problem at all. If I broke out the compounds here, the thing I'm cutting now has 38-40? "tracks". (~20 stereo pairs) :-) Here's a little bit of it...



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TImothy Auld
Re: Something Professional edited in FCPX
on Jan 21, 2014 at 12:36:42 am

Seems like a world of workarounds to me.

Tim


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Charlie Austin
Re: Something Professional edited in FCPX
on Jan 21, 2014 at 12:40:33 am

[TImothy Auld] "Seems like a world of workarounds to me."

I'm not sure I understand what you're talking about. I wasn't working around anything. It's way easier than managing that many tracks in fcp 7.

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TImothy Auld
Re: Something Professional edited in FCPX
on Jan 21, 2014 at 12:42:51 am

If that's the way it works for you then great. It would not be easier for me.

Tim


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Charlie Austin
Re: Something Professional edited in FCPX
on Jan 21, 2014 at 12:45:59 am

[TImothy Auld] "If that's the way it works for you then great. It would not be easier for me."

Fair enough. May I ask why?

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TImothy Auld
Re: Something Professional edited in FCPX
on Jan 21, 2014 at 12:52:30 am

Stereo is a phasing illusion. I need mono tracks. Until I'm ready for them to be otherwise. Also, I need to easily be able to layer audio. And in X it just ain't easy.

Tim


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Charlie Austin
Re: Something Professional edited in FCPX
on Jan 21, 2014 at 1:00:56 am

[TImothy Auld] "tereo is a phasing illusion. I need mono tracks. Until I'm ready for them to be otherwise. "

Well, like any other NLE you can cut with mono sources, but yeah, no track panning so point taken.

[TImothy Auld] "Also, I need to easily be able to layer audio. And in X it just ain't easy."

We'll have to agree to disagree on this point. The ease and precision of cutting audio/sound design is one of my favorite things about X.

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TImothy Auld
Re: Something Professional edited in FCPX
on Jan 21, 2014 at 1:11:47 am

Yes, without question, we disagree about that.

Tim


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Charlie Austin
Re: Something Professional edited in FCPX
on Jan 21, 2014 at 1:19:18 am

[TImothy Auld] "Yes, without question, we disagree about that."

:-)

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Bill Davis
Re: Something Professional edited in FCPX
on Jan 21, 2014 at 5:03:41 pm

Two people disagree on how well a tool does something. (multi-track audio with more than 16 sources)

One feels that the software can't do it well.

The other says, "Hey, I'm doing it well, regularly and while it's no more "perfect" than any other process, it's pretty great." Then shows a clear example of them DOING the thing the other argues can't properly be done.

Argument over, in my mind.

In sum, X might not work the way you prefer - but it does work - and in a way a whole lot of us DO prefer - once we stop trying to make it work like something else we used to use.

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Charlie Austin
Re: Something Professional edited in FCPX
on Jan 21, 2014 at 5:21:26 pm

[Bill Davis] "Then shows a clear example of them DOING the thing the other argues can't properly be done.... Argument over, in my mind."


James appears to be doing long form, which I don't, so there may well be an issue I'm not seeing. I'm open to that, but "it doesn't work and it can't be done" is a little uh... broad for me.

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Paul Neumann
Re: Something Professional edited in FCPX
on Jan 20, 2014 at 11:53:54 pm

Might be weird, but they were serious. That's all that matters.


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Shawn Miller
Re: Something Professional edited in FCPX
on Jan 21, 2014 at 12:53:31 am

[Simon Ubsdell] ""The promo was cut on Apple FCP X and graded on Adobe SpeedGrade."

That's just weird."


Maybe they shot raw and used SG for conversion and grading...

Shawn



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Simon Ubsdell
Re: Something Professional edited in FCPX
on Jan 21, 2014 at 8:54:31 am

[Shawn Miller] "[Simon Ubsdell] ""The promo was cut on Apple FCP X and graded on Adobe SpeedGrade."

That's just weird."

Maybe they shot raw and used SG for conversion and grading..."


I meant given the choice of using Resolve why would anyone opt for the considerable limitations of SpeedGrade?

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Shawn Miller
Re: Something Professional edited in FCPX
on Jan 21, 2014 at 6:28:16 pm

[Simon Ubsdell] "[Shawn Miller] "[Simon Ubsdell] ""The promo was cut on Apple FCP X and graded on Adobe SpeedGrade."

That's just weird."

Maybe they shot raw and used SG for conversion and grading..."

I meant given the choice of using Resolve why would anyone opt for the considerable limitations of SpeedGrade?"


Who can say, maybe they prefer working with layers instead of nodes? Isn't the good news here that there's at least a choice? :-)

Shawn



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tony west
Re: Something Professional edited in FCPX
on Jan 21, 2014 at 2:38:51 am

Like most clips, nobody would have any idea what that video was cut in unless they were told.


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joe mordecai
Re: Something Professional edited in FCPX
on Jan 21, 2014 at 4:27:14 am
Last Edited By joe mordecai on Jan 21, 2014 at 4:39:24 am

this argument is nonsense.


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tony west
Re: Something Professional edited in FCPX
on Jan 21, 2014 at 4:57:44 am

Explain how you could tell.


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Charlie Austin
Re: Something Professional edited in FCPX
on Jan 21, 2014 at 5:19:28 am

[tony west] "Explain how you could tell."

< begin sarcasm >
It was a music video. Barely a step above youtube cat videos and perfectly suited for FCP X. Until a feature film or major network dramatic series edited by someone we've heard of with lots of American or British IMDB credits cuts something with FCP X, preferably accompanied by a press release, FCP X remains useless. Except, you know, to the 8 or 10 people in the world (all of whom post here) who use it.
< end sarcasm >

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tony west
Re: Something Professional edited in FCPX
on Jan 21, 2014 at 4:22:21 pm

hehehe, indeed Charlie


Looking at the still from the timeline you posted I'm reminded of seeing a guy from Apple back when X first came out.

He had a 7 timeline on the screen with a ton of tracks

then he went to the same timeline in X

He pointed out that it was all the same information, just "condensed" in the X timeline.

Same information

Just laid out differently, in their mind to make things faster for you.


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Charlie Austin
Re: Something Professional edited in FCPX
on Jan 21, 2014 at 4:45:34 pm

[tony west] "He pointed out that it was all the same information, just "condensed" in the X timeline."

:-) To be fair, any NLE with "stereo" tracks will condense that info. though personally I still find moving audio around in MC or Pr to kinda suck, but that's likely because I'm used to X now rather than it being any worse. I actually transferred that sequence to FCP 7 just for laughs. Yikes. Even after I laid it all out neatly it was a nightmare. But, the idea that one can't layer audio in X, at least for me, is ludicrous.

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Herb Sevush
Re: Something Professional edited in FCPX
on Jan 21, 2014 at 4:28:08 pm

Where was the sarcasm?

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Charlie Austin
Re: Something Professional edited in FCPX
on Jan 21, 2014 at 4:39:37 pm

[Herb Sevush] "Where was the sarcasm?"

Here: "perfectly suited for FCP X" As we all know, even cat videos are likely too complex for FCP X. It works really well for videos of people falling down though! :-P

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