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Aindreas Gallagher
I think the guy from Light Iron thinks he's Moses.
on Nov 16, 2013 at 3:58:31 pm

https://vimeo.com/78581143

Interesting watch on workflow, but I had to skip past the beginning - I couldn't stop laughing - that man takes himself incredibly seriously.

I expect the next video to feature his vision for the future of human society or something.

http://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics


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Herb Sevush
Re: I think the guy from Light Iron thinks he's Moses.
on Nov 16, 2013 at 11:44:58 pm

[Aindreas Gallagher] " I had to skip past the beginning - I couldn't stop laughing - that man takes himself incredibly seriously."

It was when he got to the phrase "heritage ideas" that I started cracking up - that and the music underscore.

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Herb Sevush
Re: I think the guy from Light Iron thinks he's Moses.
on Nov 17, 2013 at 12:03:34 am

Also, it's not just a movie, it's a "movie experience."

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"Deciding the spine is the process of editing" F. Bieberkopf


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Francois Jean
Re: I think the guy from Light Iron thinks he's Moses.
on Nov 17, 2013 at 1:31:23 am

You may laugh your head out, but Michael Cioni has done more to innovate workflows of the industry in the last five years, than you - we have been doing in the last forty years. i understand that this presentation is quite clumsy, but I hate when people like you two don't respect others that are doing well and are trying to change things in a good direction.

It's so vulgar and cheap

ZAP


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Herb Sevush
Re: I think the guy from Light Iron thinks he's Moses.
on Nov 17, 2013 at 3:18:34 am

[Zachary Potter] "Michael Cioni has done more to innovate workflows of the industry in the last five years, than you - we have been doing in the last forty years."

If you say so.

[Zachary Potter] "i understand that this presentation is quite clumsy, but I hate when people like you two don't respect others that are doing well and are trying to change things in a good direction. It's so vulgar and cheap"

Sorry, but the tone of that piece tickled my vulgar and cheap funny bone.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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"Deciding the spine is the process of editing" F. Bieberkopf


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Chris Harlan
Re: I think the guy from Light Iron thinks he's Moses.
on Nov 17, 2013 at 7:00:19 am

[Zachary Potter] "It's so vulgar and cheap"

Bold words for a comfy chair.

It was an interesting and informative video, but it did feel a bit like the Battle Hymn of the Republic was playing in the background of the self-agrandizing intro.


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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: I think the guy from Light Iron thinks he's Moses.
on Nov 17, 2013 at 1:21:41 pm

right yes - lets say though, that I recently had a lengthy meal and beer session with the person who oversaw DIT for the latest BBC nature series - in his case he was say, archiving red off a diesel generator that he had to keep topping up at three AM in Nairobi and then getting up at seven to prepare the rushes for review by the director and DOP on assimilate scratch. he did this off and on for 18 months across africa in all conditions - his team then oversaw the post production pipeline - which was extensive.
So that I found impressive into terms of sheer stamina and overcoming extremely challenging work environments.

This Cioni guy is doing the same thing, only he's walking a hundred yards to an air conditioned trailer to get some red cards duped and archived. then they do some temp looks, then they transcode it a bunch of different ways. When you boil it right down his job is to dupe and archive the shoot material six different ways from tuesday, and then transcode it a couple of different ways, with one hundred percent reliability - I'm not saying its easy, but he makes it sound like he is inventing quantum gravity - and he's not. he's running a DIT service. Whoop de doo. I mean fine, I'm sure he makes a great DIT - but as the person I was talking to pointed out - if you have ambition, being a DIT is a kind of a completely frustrating gig - you're incredibly close to people making critical, incredibly interesting artistic calls at the top of their game, but you are playing absolutely no part in it.

Michael Cioni appears to believe he is reshaping the universe by being a DIT - and well, good luck to him. He really needs to ease off on the batman begins style scoring though, because it makes him sound ridiculous.

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Chris Harlan
Re: I think the guy from Light Iron thinks he's Moses.
on Nov 17, 2013 at 4:54:37 pm

Spoken like a hapless, helpless, hopeless heritage hore.


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Oliver Peters
Re: I think the guy from Light Iron thinks he's Moses.
on Nov 17, 2013 at 6:13:34 pm

[Zachary Potter] "but Michael Cioni has done more to innovate workflows of the industry"

I mean no offense to Michael, but would you care to be specific?

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Mark Raudonis
Re: I think the guy from Light Iron thinks he's Moses.
on Nov 18, 2013 at 1:16:14 am

Andreas,

I'm a big fan of your typical rants, but I think you're off base on this one.

I just watched the afore mentioned clip and I have to say I was VERY impressed. Topping off a genny in the middle of the night is one thing, but setting up this kind of complex workflow is quite an accomplishment.

To any critics of Mr Cioni's braggadocio , I say, "What have you done lately to rival this?" Remember, it aint bragging if it's true!

I know a little about workflow innovation and the very real concept of organizational inertia. To accomplish what he's describing on a scale like this picture is a "buzz worthy" effort. So, yes, perhaps the music choice was a bit "big", but so was the effort. I for one appreciate the detail and depth of the explanation. So there you go. I'm a fan of Light iron!

Mark



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Oliver Peters
Re: I think the guy from Light Iron thinks he's Moses.
on Nov 18, 2013 at 1:40:47 am

[Mark Raudonis] "I know a little about workflow innovation and the very real concept of organizational inertia. To accomplish what he's describing on a scale like this picture is a "buzz worthy" effort. "

While this is true, you might want to take a look at the production and post workflow that Fincher's team set up for "Zodiac" and "Benjamin Button". Pre-RED and pre-Light Iron. I would suggest that it was quite a bit more elaborate.

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Gary Huff
Re: I think the guy from Light Iron thinks he's Moses.
on Nov 18, 2013 at 1:43:15 am

[Oliver Peters] "While this is true, you might want to take a look at the production and post workflow that Fincher's team set up for "Zodiac" and "Benjamin Button". Pre-RED and pre-Light Iron. I would suggest that it was quite a bit more elaborate."

On top of that, the workflow from Light Iron is not new...it was happening before Ender's Game started shooting.

And there are other carts that work exactly the same from companies other than Light Iron too.


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Oliver Peters
Re: I think the guy from Light Iron thinks he's Moses.
on Nov 18, 2013 at 1:44:35 am
Last Edited By Oliver Peters on Nov 18, 2013 at 1:49:46 am

Here are some links to the workflows I referenced:

http://www.fxguide.com/featured/Workflow_on_Finchers_all_digital_film_Zodia...

http://www.creativeplanetnetwork.com/dcp/news/going-tapeless/38769#sidebar

http://www.datalab.com/workflow.html

http://digitalfilms.wordpress.com/2006/12/16/zodiac/

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Mark Raudonis
Re: I think the guy from Light Iron thinks he's Moses.
on Nov 18, 2013 at 1:49:29 am

OK. So he's a good self promoter! But still, it's an impressive accomplishment.

Mark



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Oliver Peters
Re: I think the guy from Light Iron thinks he's Moses.
on Nov 18, 2013 at 1:57:57 am

[Mark Raudonis] "But still, it's an impressive accomplishment."

Well…. The film I'm currently cutting was shot on RED. On a particularly bad weather day, the DIT on set was doing all of his work from a laptop in the back of a Smart car! Now, THAT was far more impressive ;-)

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Gary Huff
Re: I think the guy from Light Iron thinks he's Moses.
on Nov 18, 2013 at 2:51:06 am

[Oliver Peters] "On a particularly bad weather day, the DIT on set was doing all of his work from a laptop in the back of a Smart car! Now, THAT was far more impressive ;-)"

Was he doing transcodes too?


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Oliver Peters
Re: I think the guy from Light Iron thinks he's Moses.
on Nov 18, 2013 at 1:01:20 pm

Probably not. He was backing up and reviewing clips for director and crew. They did encode dailies and uploaded those to Google Drive for the producers, but that was done at home base. Likewise edit proxies were transcoded at home base, too.

Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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James Patterson
Re: I think the guy from Light Iron thinks he's Moses.
on Nov 18, 2013 at 1:06:27 pm

It's not that the workflow isn't impressive and once you get past the intro there's quite a lot of interesting information, it's just that the tone is completely wrong. I find it funny when people respond with 'well, what have you done?' when there's criticism, if that was a prerequisite then there would be very little for anyone to give their opinion on.

Coincidentally, this ad came on the TV just after I'd watched the Lightiron vid.








Best

Paddy


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Herb Sevush
Re: I think the guy from Light Iron thinks he's Moses.
on Nov 18, 2013 at 1:17:48 pm

[James Patterson] "Coincidentally, this ad came on the TV just after I'd watched the Lightiron vid."

It's not just Vodka, it's a "Vodka Experience."

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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"Deciding the spine is the process of editing" F. Bieberkopf


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Mark Raudonis
Re: I think the guy from Light Iron thinks he's Moses.
on Nov 18, 2013 at 3:31:03 pm

[James Patterson] "then there would be very little for anyone to give their opinion on."

And that would be a BAD thing?

I respect the creator, NOT the critic.

Mark



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Gary Huff
Re: I think the guy from Light Iron thinks he's Moses.
on Nov 18, 2013 at 4:22:57 pm

[Mark Raudonis] "
I respect the creator, NOT the critic."


Until you're being the critic, of course.


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James Patterson
Re: I think the guy from Light Iron thinks he's Moses.
on Nov 18, 2013 at 6:10:23 pm

[Mark Raudonis] "And that would be a BAD thing?"

Absolutely, differing opinions make life interesting, could you imagine living in a world where everyone always agreed with you? I understand your point about respecting the artist over the critic but there's a world of difference between destructive criticism where the only purpose is to make yourself look good at thr expense of someone's ability/reputation and the points being made here. I think everyone agrees Lightiron are doing cool things, but they'd probably have more fans if they toned it down a bit.

Best

Paddy


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Chris Harlan
Re: I think the guy from Light Iron thinks he's Moses.
on Nov 19, 2013 at 12:04:14 am

That is hilarious!


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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: I think the guy from Light Iron thinks he's Moses.
on Nov 19, 2013 at 12:13:57 am

I just watched it - oh my god that was fantastic. that really was the ticket.

http://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics


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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: I think the guy from Light Iron thinks he's Moses.
on Nov 19, 2013 at 12:18:48 am

you king - that is a classic. In the spirit of sharing I give you:







It's made out of cookies. incidentally - the EU parliament voted the Biscoff Cookie advert best advertisement created over the course of the last two centuries.

It quite obviously is.

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Herb Sevush
Re: I think the guy from Light Iron thinks he's Moses.
on Nov 19, 2013 at 2:41:06 pm

[Aindreas Gallagher] "It's made out of cookies."

Indeed.

Thanks.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin' attached to nothin'
"Deciding the spine is the process of editing" F. Bieberkopf


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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: I think the guy from Light Iron thinks he's Moses.
on Nov 18, 2013 at 11:53:59 pm

[Mark Raudonis] "Topping off a genny in the middle of the night is one thing,"

well now come on - to be clear he was managing a total accumulated volume of 250 TB of stereoscopic RED, and yes, archiving and transcoding in a tent off a genny in the serengeti many's the time - the team was also provisioning dailies CC with assimilate scratch on location and they also managed an exceedingly complicated post workflow where post conversion was occasionally required, in a scenario where the edit was still fluid so you had shots turning back on themselves requiring updated top and tail frames going to post conversion houses in the states while keeping the chain with technicolour for grading intact.

a tad more than topping up a gennie mark - he just... didn't feel a burning urge to crack out the batman begins soundtrack and start doing moses voice talent VO on his DIT workflow....

but well, you know, each to his own.

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