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John Davidson
FCPX can mount SAN locations - on a NAS. No sparse disk required.
on Oct 21, 2013 at 10:26:25 pm

Bob Zelin just blew my @%&!ing mind.

This is a san location on my network attached storage RAID named "basestar" connected via 10GBE:



Apparently you can create SAN folders on a NAS, FREE with NFS. This is insane and it works like a charm. He had it up and running in 5 minutes. It's so easy that I don't know why it's not enabled already.

Bob, please, explain this for everyone because you just rocked my world. Thank you!

John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.


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John Davidson
Re: FCPX can mount SAN locations - on a NAS. No sparse disk required.
on Oct 21, 2013 at 10:29:57 pm

This is a finder screen grab of the folders he enabled for it.



John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.


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Jeff Kirkland
Re: FCPX can mount SAN locations - on a NAS. No sparse disk required.
on Oct 21, 2013 at 10:50:00 pm

Yes, it works quite well. I've been running an older Mac Pro as an NFS server with FCPX for a few months now. I'm not in a situation where I need multi-user access to the share so I'm not sure how NFS stands up in that area but it's definitely a way to mount media and other assets on the network.

Mountain Lion (and I'll assume Mavericks) don't have NFS management tools built in so I'd recommend NFS Manager, available from http://www.bresink.com/osx/NFSManager.html

Jeff Kirkland | Video Producer | Southern Creative Media | Melbourne Australia
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John Davidson
Re: FCPX can mount SAN locations - on a NAS. No sparse disk required.
on Oct 21, 2013 at 11:05:32 pm

I'm still wrapping my mind around how this is going to affect our workflow. Immediate benefits are no more quitting FCPX to unmount projects and events. Also, we can sleep a little more soundly knowing that our sparse disk image will never corrupt - not that we ever had that happen before.

Oh and that software was what Bob used to enable it. This is really interesting stuff!

John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.


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Bob Zelin
Re: FCPX can mount SAN locations - on a NAS. No sparse disk required.
on Oct 21, 2013 at 11:45:25 pm

I will have to respond in detail later. Apple should be ashamed of themselves. It appears that Apple has INTENTIONALLY done this, to make it impossible to "Add SAN Locations", when this is what everyone wanted from day 1 of FCP-X. It's easy, and I will explain in about 1 hour.

Bob Zelin

Bob Zelin
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John Davidson
Re: FCPX can mount SAN locations - on a NAS. No sparse disk required.
on Oct 22, 2013 at 12:42:33 am

I should elaborate that he didn't enable folders for it - it's the whole dang NAS. ANY folder you mount that has the FINAL CUT PROJECTS and FINAL CUT EVENTS folders inside of it can be mounted.

I wonder if there's some copyright or patent issue for why Apple doesn't have this on by default?

John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: FCPX can mount SAN locations - on a NAS. No sparse disk required.
on Oct 22, 2013 at 12:47:16 am

What is to prevent you from any user mounting an already mounted Location on another machine?


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John Davidson
Re: FCPX can mount SAN locations - on a NAS. No sparse disk required.
on Oct 22, 2013 at 12:53:00 am

[Jeremy Garchow] "What is to prevent you from any user mounting an already mounted Location on another machine?"

Honor system? Perhaps each editor will have to pick a switch that I'll spank them with should they violate the rules? Maybe it won't let you mount one if it's already mounted? I'll have to check that...

John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: FCPX can mount SAN locations - on a NAS. No sparse disk required.
on Oct 22, 2013 at 1:00:26 am

With the SAN that I have, if you don't use the purpose built sequester system, you can mount one location on two machines, and it corrupts real quick like.

If there's no system in place to manage this, I'd expect the same to happen on the NFS.

Perhaps that software helps with this?

Or maybe just the spanking will suffice.


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Bob Zelin
Re: FCPX can mount SAN locations - on a NAS. No sparse disk required.
on Oct 22, 2013 at 1:20:11 am

John can test this, and I can remote into your system Jeremy, and show you how to do this.

I believe, just like sparse disk images, that once you Add San Location, (which is a folder that you manually created), no one else can mount this folder. You have to "remove SAN location" and then someone else can mount it.

Bob Zelin

Bob Zelin
Rescue 1, Inc.
maxavid@cfl.rr.com


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John Davidson
Re: FCPX can mount SAN locations - on a NAS. No sparse disk required.
on Oct 22, 2013 at 1:30:38 am

So this is awesome - it won't let you mount it if someone else has it.



John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: FCPX can mount SAN locations - on a NAS. No sparse disk required.
on Oct 22, 2013 at 1:36:05 am

That's a good thing.


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: FCPX can mount SAN locations - on a NAS. No sparse disk required.
on Oct 22, 2013 at 1:38:48 am

Also to test.

Leave the SAN Location active and then quit fcpx, that is to say, don't remove the Location before quitting.

Now, can you mount the Location on another machine?


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John Davidson
Re: FCPX can mount SAN locations - on a NAS. No sparse disk required.
on Oct 22, 2013 at 1:42:41 am

Already tried that. The SAN location will stay mounted - you have to 'remove san location' from within FCPX or Finder to unmount it.

John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.


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John Davidson
Re: FCPX can mount SAN locations - on a NAS. No sparse disk required.
on Oct 22, 2013 at 1:44:15 am

Wait - I misread. Not sure if it'll continue to lock out others if you quit. I gotta go home - but I'll test that tomorrow :).

John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.


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Jeff Kirkland
Re: FCPX can mount SAN locations - on a NAS. No sparse disk required.
on Oct 22, 2013 at 1:46:41 am

It'll get even more interesting with OS X Mavericks as I believe the new OS sees your Thunderbolt port(s) as fully fledged network interfaces.

Jeff Kirkland | Video Producer | Southern Creative Media | Melbourne Australia
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Charlie Austin
Re: FCPX can mount SAN locations - on a NAS. No sparse disk required.
on Oct 22, 2013 at 1:26:38 am

[John Davidson] "Apparently you can create SAN folders on a NAS, FREE with NFS."

Do those SAN locations show up as normal folders on the NAS Volume? So if I have the entire volume mounted, would I see the SAN Location (folder)? And if so, and if another user has it mounted, could I put a file in there that that user would then have access to? Like giving them some graphics or something...

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John Davidson
Re: FCPX can mount SAN locations - on a NAS. No sparse disk required.
on Oct 22, 2013 at 1:35:00 am

Sort of. I just drag/dropped a file to the 'original media' folder within the event folder via Finder. It didn't instantly show up in FCPX. I removed san, then re-added san, and the file was in FCPX without having to directly import it via the program.

John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.


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Charlie Austin
Re: FCPX can mount SAN locations - on a NAS. No sparse disk required.
on Oct 22, 2013 at 1:38:07 am

[John Davidson] "Sort of. I just drag/dropped a file to the 'original media' folder within the event folder via Finder. It didn't instantly show up in FCPX. I removed san, then re-added san, and the file was in FCPX without having to directly import it via the program."

That's pretty cool... So, on one workstation, you have the "master" NAS volume mounted as well as the SAN Location/Folder on that volume?

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John Davidson
Re: FCPX can mount SAN locations - on a NAS. No sparse disk required.
on Oct 22, 2013 at 1:42:04 am

Yep. First you auto mount the NAS via Finder like this:

Finder / Go / Connect to server, then I put in:

nfs://192.168.2.3/volumes/BASESTAR

From that point, ANY FOLDER that has project and event folder structures as subfolders can be mounted as an independent SAN within FCPX.

I am going to get absolutely NO sleep tonight thinking about this and tomorrow's event.

John Davidson | President / Creative Director | Magic Feather Inc.


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